Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread

[thebuzzardman]

It would look just like the Houston Lin contract.

Right, what is wrong with that?

In the event we need cap space in his year three, he'd be making the max for his years of exp.

Can't the most money be put in the front, then it does down?

Like, 18, 12,10, which I THINK the cap hit is still 13.3 million, since it's averaged out (need Richard4444444444or BX9IUDS=SDFA to verify), but at least it's not 18. Also, not the amount I would give, but an example.

[thebuzzardman]

According to bleacher report:

Schroeder, Fournier, Taylor Horton tucker..

If that’s their off season, I’ll puke

No Schroeder for me, but I'd take either of the other two DEPENDANT on what the other move(s) were.

[thebuzzardman]

It would look just like the Houston Lin contract.

Right, what is wrong with that?

I think a super agent like Leon knows when not to purchase/trade for a player who just scored career high because you have to clean the farm system.

So I really doubt Beal is a target. Plus he was injury prone earlier in his career. Plus and a big plus, unlike it’s for a top 5 player, RJ will not be traded.

I think Knicks will go hard after anyone who will accept 1+1 deals. May be a bloated ones. Like trading for Sexton because his extension will come in the books next year. Same with Dinwiddie because he was just injured and who would play him that much money. 1 yr deal in this case makes sense for him. Oubre can be had like that as well. Hence you heard their names in all sort of rumors. Rest assured Knicks will not plan to retain mediocre players while sacrificing 2022 cap. Hope that makes sense.

Beal I think is the kind of move they would make. I personally don't want it. I get they want 2022 cap space, but Beal MIGHT represent the same kind of player to them, just now. Again, not what I'm looking for.

Sexton I think will happen - not so easy to do both but possible.

THT they might feel is "on the rise" but yeah, that cuts into the big plan.

I agree they will hunt some 1+1 guys as well.

[SelbyCobra]

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[thebuzzardman]

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Lol. Obviously violates the "Save room for 2022" mantra.

Knicks new motto: Room 2022

[mpharris36]

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I usually like tommy but yuck for both

[newyorker4ever]

Final thoughts of the AM

I get where fans want to get CP3. Or Lowry. Or Lillard. Or Beal.
I've also stated I think Beal is happening.

I'd rather the Knicks get some combination of Sexton, Ball, THT, Trent Jr, even Oubre - though Oubre would be last, after a few other players and definitely dependent on contract length and amount.

I can hear the arguments against it. "Not a contender". "That team is on the treadmill". "Capped out, for what?"

If done right, I think there can be a good playoff team that maintains most of it's assets, with players that are still young and can develop even more, and most crucially, players that are all attractive to other teams.

I wouldn't mind an iterative step of a couple of years of that and THEN the big move that puts the Knicks squarely into contention.

Realistically, the Knicks are going to go from outright sucking to contenders in two seasons - this offseason? I think not.

I'm just not against the kind of team indicated above. Could be good. Could be fun.

This is absolutely a dream scenario that i have but the Knicks might be able to find a way to make it work but if we could get Beal, L.Ball and M.Turner that would be great. Both Beal and Turner would have to be traded for and would think RJ would have to go in the Beal deal and M.Robinson and/or Obi would have to go in the Turner deal.

PG--L.Ball
SG--B.Beal
SF--
PF--J.Randle
C---M.Turner

Would just stick a 3-D player at SF if we had that starting lineup. Would say put Q.Grimes there but he might have to go in one of the trades and if not Thibs probably wouldn't start him anyway. If you have a lineup like that then you can get a vet free agent to sign on the cheap with us to start at SF with that unit.

Maybe a sign and trade for K.Oubre to play SF. That would be a nice lineup.

L.Ball
B.Beal
K.Oubre
J.Randle
M.Turner

[thebuzzardman]

It would look just like the Houston Lin contract.

Right, what is wrong with that?

I think a super agent like Leon knows when not to purchase/trade for a player who just scored career high because you have to clean the farm system.

So I really doubt Beal is a target. Plus he was injury prone earlier in his career. Plus and a big plus, unlike it’s for a top 5 player, RJ will not be traded.

I think Knicks will go hard after anyone who will accept 1+1 deals. May be a bloated ones. Like trading for Sexton because his extension will come in the books next year. Same with Dinwiddie because he was just injured and who would play him that much money. 1 yr deal in this case makes sense for him. Oubre can be had like that as well. Hence you heard their names in all sort of rumors. Rest assured Knicks will not plan to retain mediocre players while sacrificing 2022 cap. Hope that makes sense.

I probably have 40 posts in the locked Sexton topic where I figure the plan is Sexton, resign DRose, save money for Lavine/Beal/2022.

I just woke up today with a guy feeling that they'll go for Beal, good idea or not. And I think it's not.

I also have some posts in the Sexton topic where I speculate they MIGHT try to add Ball in as well, but then I catch myself that Ball + Sexton kind of messes with some of the cap room for 2022 and that window before Randle and RJ get resigned/extended whatever.

So Sexton/Ball is probably either/or.

Trade for Sexton and someone on a 1+1? I'd do that.

[thebuzzardman]

Final thoughts of the AM

I get where fans want to get CP3. Or Lowry. Or Lillard. Or Beal.
I've also stated I think Beal is happening.

I'd rather the Knicks get some combination of Sexton, Ball, THT, Trent Jr, even Oubre - though Oubre would be last, after a few other players and definitely dependent on contract length and amount.

I can hear the arguments against it. "Not a contender". "That team is on the treadmill". "Capped out, for what?"

If done right, I think there can be a good playoff team that maintains most of it's assets, with players that are still young and can develop even more, and most crucially, players that are all attractive to other teams.

I wouldn't mind an iterative step of a couple of years of that and THEN the big move that puts the Knicks squarely into contention.

Realistically, the Knicks are going to go from outright sucking to contenders in two seasons - this offseason? I think not.

I'm just not against the kind of team indicated above. Could be good. Could be fun.

This is absolutely a dream scenario that i have but the Knicks might be able to find a way to make it work but if we could get Beal, L.Ball and M.Turner that would be great. Both Beal and Turner would have to be traded for and would think RJ would have to go in the Beal deal and M.Robinson and/or Obi would have to go in the Turner deal.

PG--L.Ball
SG--B.Beal
SF--
PF--J.Randle
C---M.Turner

Would just stick a 3-D player at SF if we had that starting lineup. Would say put Q.Grimes there but he might have to go in one of the trades and if not Thibs probably wouldn't start him anyway. If you have a lineup like that then you can get a vet free agent to sign on the cheap with us to start at SF with that unit.

Well, Oubre of course
(Obviously I'm just disregarding the cap)

[newyorker4ever]

Final thoughts of the AM

I get where fans want to get CP3. Or Lowry. Or Lillard. Or Beal.
I've also stated I think Beal is happening.

I'd rather the Knicks get some combination of Sexton, Ball, THT, Trent Jr, even Oubre - though Oubre would be last, after a few other players and definitely dependent on contract length and amount.

I can hear the arguments against it. "Not a contender". "That team is on the treadmill". "Capped out, for what?"

If done right, I think there can be a good playoff team that maintains most of it's assets, with players that are still young and can develop even more, and most crucially, players that are all attractive to other teams.

I wouldn't mind an iterative step of a couple of years of that and THEN the big move that puts the Knicks squarely into contention.

Realistically, the Knicks are going to go from outright sucking to contenders in two seasons - this offseason? I think not.

I'm just not against the kind of team indicated above. Could be good. Could be fun.

This is absolutely a dream scenario that i have but the Knicks might be able to find a way to make it work but if we could get Beal, L.Ball and M.Turner that would be great. Both Beal and Turner would have to be traded for and would think RJ would have to go in the Beal deal and M.Robinson and/or Obi would have to go in the Turner deal.

PG--L.Ball
SG--B.Beal
SF--
PF--J.Randle
C---M.Turner

Would just stick a 3-D player at SF if we had that starting lineup. Would say put Q.Grimes there but he might have to go in one of the trades and if not Thibs probably wouldn't start him anyway. If you have a lineup like that then you can get a vet free agent to sign on the cheap with us to start at SF with that unit.

Well, Oubre of course
(Obviously I'm just disregarding the cap)

Hahaha i literally just added K.Oubre in a sign and trade to my post. B.Aller can make it happen especially if we can get GSW to do a sign and trade.

Everyone in that starting lineup can shoot the 3 ball and play defense.

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I usually like tommy but yuck for both

I think I could live with the Ball + Robinson option. Not ideal, but both guys fill some of the holes we had last year skill-wise, and if a star were to shake loose in a trade down the road, I think both are positive assets to spin off in deals.

Not sure what the cap implications are as far as what avenues we'd have to bring back some of our own guys while having enough room to get those two. If we went with someone like Ball at PG (which could work given how much of the offense will probably run through Randle anyway), I'd want to bring back Rose in a reserve role so we have a PG who can get into the paint.

[snadler]

Rumors of Ball wanting 4 yrs 80 million..

[FrozenEnvelope]

According to bleacher report:

Schroeder, Fournier, Taylor Horton tucker..

If that’s their off season, I’ll puke

I like the idea of adding a sniper like Fournier and an up and coming guy like THT but no thanks on Schröder! I would rather get someone like TJ McConnell to be honest.

[Polk377]

Rumors of Ball wanting 4 yrs 80 million..

Honestly I don't think that is an overspend for a 24 year old starting PG in this market. At worst it doesn't pan out and you move him still in his prime.

[Richard4444]

My guesses:

1) I feel Rose is out. We got too many guards and none are starting material. Now we have Luca, IQ, McBride and Grimes (he can play SF, but his best position is SG).

2) I don't think the main targets of The Knicks will be RFA. RFA market is too hard to predict. I feel the Front Office will avoid a strikeout. To get an RFA player, you have to wait for his former club to decide if they will match. During the answer time, the other players are closing deals. If the former team matches, we have to get the left-outs. So I don't think Lonzo, Robinson, Nunn and Graham would be our main targets. Unless we get them for cheap S&T deals.

3) Lonzo is not a driver. Thibs like slashers Point guards. Bulls must be very aggressive in the market after getting Vuc. They don't have much cap space to get Lonzo unless they waive unguaranteed salaries from Satoranski and Young contracts and waive Lauri Cap Hold. Still, they want to pay to have Rose. I smell The Bulls will sign and trade Lonzo (maybe a double S&T deal with Lauri to the Pelicans).

4) Trading for Sexton or Rozier could be good options depending on the price. We can ship Knox in the deal to increase cap space. Cam is intriguing but risky.

5) Lakers are desperate for a sign and trade deal to get a TPEs to trade for a shooter like Buddy. They need cap-spaced teams to do that. THT is a RFA. Dennis is UFA. If we make an unnecessary S&T for Dennis, they may facilitate a S&T for THT. Dennis is a Thibs kind of player. But I did not like him in the playoffs last season. We need a wing with size to defend bigge wings. THT would be an option (there are very few in the FA market like Oubre and Otto).

[Bob Ross]

Rumors of Ball wanting 4 yrs 80 million..

Cheaper than I thought. Of course, that may just be where the bidding begins

[Bob Ross]

Whatever we do, I dont wanna help out super capped out Lakers or Nets

[snadler]

Looks like D Rose isn’t coming back.. sigh

[whatisacenter]

This is absolutely a dream scenario that i have but the Knicks might be able to find a way to make it work but if we could get Beal, L.Ball and M.Turner that would be great. Both Beal and Turner would have to be traded for and would think RJ would have to go in the Beal deal and M.Robinson and/or Obi would have to go in the Turner deal.

PG--L.Ball
SG--B.Beal
SF--
PF--J.Randle
C---M.Turner

Would just stick a 3-D player at SF if we had that starting lineup. Would say put Q.Grimes there but he might have to go in one of the trades and if not Thibs probably wouldn't start him anyway. If you have a lineup like that then you can get a vet free agent to sign on the cheap with us to start at SF with that unit.

Well, Oubre of course
(Obviously I'm just disregarding the cap)

Hahaha i literally just added K.Oubre in a sign and trade to my post. B.Aller can make it happen especially if we can get GSW to do a sign and trade.

Everyone in that starting lineup can shoot the 3 ball and play defense.

the warriors would absolutely do a S&T probably just for the TPE.

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Sums up very well why I’d be hesitant on Ball, and more importantly any time a team that chooses to let a player walk for nothing in return and seeking better options sends up a giant red flag on that player