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2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1461 » by Rapsfan07 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:14 pm

rifai45 wrote:It's really simple...

S&T Lowry if possible.
The best option for the raps is to S&T Jarrett Allen. We obviously want to avoid Lowry walking for nothing and going after an RFA like Allen is risky if the Cavs decide to match plus we likely need the cap space to make the trade work before deciding on Trent.

S&T for Allen would probably just be Lowry and Boucher for Allen.

If the deal doesn't work, let Lowry walk and aggressively pursue Jarrett Allen with an offer sheet for about an $18-20million/year deal. We'll have to waive Baynes, Bembry, Hood, and Boucher, to make that cap space available and make sure we do it before dealing with Trent, cause his qualifying offer will eat into the Cap Hold.

Once all that is worked out, we need to fill out the rest of the roster (Backup SG, third-string PG, and backup C). I like Wayne Ellington on a minimum deal, or really any vet guard-forward that can shoot. Nerleans Noel on the Non-tax MLE, and Khem Birch on the BLE. For a third-string PG, I say evaluate if one of the second-rounders can earn that spot, or just use Barnes at the point and give the two second-rounders two-way deals. We'd still have a couple of roster spots for more shooting on minimum deals.

FVV / Flynn / Johnson (Two-Way) / Banton (Two-Way)
Trent / Ellington / Watson / Coffey
OG / Yuta
Siakam / Barnes
Allen / Noel / Birch / Kaminsky / Gillespie

It looks like a lot of centers and guards, but most of these players are multi-positional so they can really play anywhere.

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Can't S&T Lowry to a team he doesn't want to to go to. Can't see why he's want to go to the Cavs
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Post#1462 » by Rapsfan07 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:16 pm

Kingsway_fan wrote:Assuming Lowry signed outright (dal, oak, ..), who do you think raps will target with remaining $$s?

Im hoping it's Ball. Makes the most sense talentwise and fitwise
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Post#1463 » by StopitLeo » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:24 pm

Kingsway_fan wrote:Assuming Lowry signed outright (dal, oak, ..), who do you think raps will target with remaining $$s?


Priority 1 has to be a centre. I think they target Richaun Holmes first and if unsuccessful then an offer sheet to Jarrett Allen.

Based on rumours, a S&T for Lonzo Ball would be a solid pickup. Big guard that can handle the ball, shoot the 3, and play solid defense.
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Post#1464 » by Rapsfan07 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:30 pm

S.W.A.N wrote:Conspiracy theory trade:

After the rumor leaked that Philly wanted Lowry and the whole roster for Simmons was an intentional leak from the raps. So that when we trade

Siakam and Lowry for Simmons, Thybulle, and salary filler.

The fan base things we getting a good deal.

Two all stars for a maxed out guy who can't stay on the floor at the end of games?

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Post#1465 » by Kingsway_fan » Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:49 pm

StopitLeo wrote:
Kingsway_fan wrote:Assuming Lowry signed outright (dal, oak, ..), who do you think raps will target with remaining $$s?


Priority 1 has to be a centre. I think they target Richaun Holmes first and if unsuccessful then an offer sheet to Jarrett Allen.

Based on rumours, a S&T for Lonzo Ball would be a solid pickup. Big guard that can handle the ball, shoot the 3, and play solid defense.


If so with "Ball" what would they do with Trent?
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Post#1466 » by youngRAPZ » Sun Aug 1, 2021 12:43 am

Kingsway_fan wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
Kingsway_fan wrote:Assuming Lowry signed outright (dal, oak, ..), who do you think raps will target with remaining $$s?


Priority 1 has to be a centre. I think they target Richaun Holmes first and if unsuccessful then an offer sheet to Jarrett Allen.

Based on rumours, a S&T for Lonzo Ball would be a solid pickup. Big guard that can handle the ball, shoot the 3, and play solid defense.


If so with "Ball" what would they do with Trent?

Turn him into a 6th man. I like the idea of ball.

Ball/Flynn/Banton
FVV/Trent/Johnson
OG/Barnes/Bembry
Siakam/Bouche/Watanabe
MLE/Birch/Gillespie

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Post#1467 » by WeTheNorth123 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 12:47 am

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Post#1468 » by AussieRaptor » Sun Aug 1, 2021 2:31 am

ItsDanger wrote:I heard on Ringer's draft show that GS has to pay $50M in luxury tax IF they keep both 1st round picks. This season and it carries on again next season. They HAVE to make a trade. No way the ownership is going to pay that for prospects.


Knowing what we know now, would you trade Siakam for any combination of Wiggins + Kuminga + Moody + Wiseman?
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Post#1469 » by AussieRaptor » Sun Aug 1, 2021 2:34 am

youngRAPZ wrote:
Kingsway_fan wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
Priority 1 has to be a centre. I think they target Richaun Holmes first and if unsuccessful then an offer sheet to Jarrett Allen.

Based on rumours, a S&T for Lonzo Ball would be a solid pickup. Big guard that can handle the ball, shoot the 3, and play solid defense.


If so with "Ball" what would they do with Trent?

Turn him into a 6th man. I like the idea of ball.

Ball/Flynn/Banton
FVV/Trent/Johnson
OG/Barnes/Bembry
Siakam/Bouche/Watanabe
MLE/Birch/Gillespie

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I agree. Losing Lowry, I like the idea of adding Ball. I also prefer GTJ as a 6th man than starter.

Holmes would be nice at C. I think Allen will be too hard to get, and will be an overpay for what he adds, especially to our roster. Would prefer Noel at a much cheaper rate than Allen, I think.
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Post#1470 » by ItsDanger » Sun Aug 1, 2021 2:37 am

AussieRaptor wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:I heard on Ringer's draft show that GS has to pay $50M in luxury tax IF they keep both 1st round picks. This season and it carries on again next season. They HAVE to make a trade. No way the ownership is going to pay that for prospects.


Knowing what we know now, would you trade Siakam for any combination of Wiggins + Kuminga + Moody + Wiseman?

No, but another team may take those 3 young guys that are rebuilding. It's not a bad offer, just not happening. The smart play is to take on Wiggins in a 3 way deal somehow. That's assuming nothing else is available. Free agency is not realistic for us.
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Post#1471 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sun Aug 1, 2021 2:46 am

AussieRaptor wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:I heard on Ringer's draft show that GS has to pay $50M in luxury tax IF they keep both 1st round picks. This season and it carries on again next season. They HAVE to make a trade. No way the ownership is going to pay that for prospects.


Knowing what we know now, would you trade Siakam for any combination of Wiggins + Kuminga + Moody + Wiseman?

For all of them, yes.
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Post#1472 » by HumbleRen » Sun Aug 1, 2021 2:52 am

AussieRaptor wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:I heard on Ringer's draft show that GS has to pay $50M in luxury tax IF they keep both 1st round picks. This season and it carries on again next season. They HAVE to make a trade. No way the ownership is going to pay that for prospects.


Knowing what we know now, would you trade Siakam for any combination of Wiggins + Kuminga + Moody + Wiseman?
Yes but Warriors won’t do that. They said they wanted a great player to trade for and there wasn’t any available.

I’m assuming based off that answer, Siakam doesn’t fit that “great” player tier
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Post#1473 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sun Aug 1, 2021 2:55 am

ItsDanger wrote:
AussieRaptor wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:I heard on Ringer's draft show that GS has to pay $50M in luxury tax IF they keep both 1st round picks. This season and it carries on again next season. They HAVE to make a trade. No way the ownership is going to pay that for prospects.


Knowing what we know now, would you trade Siakam for any combination of Wiggins + Kuminga + Moody + Wiseman?

No, but another team may take those 3 young guys that are rebuilding. It's not a bad offer, just not happening. The smart play is to take on Wiggins in a 3 way deal somehow. That's assuming nothing else is available. Free agency is not realistic for us.

Its really the best offer, short of trading someone else with Pascal for a superstar like Lillard.
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Post#1474 » by ItsDanger » Sun Aug 1, 2021 3:02 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:
AussieRaptor wrote:
Knowing what we know now, would you trade Siakam for any combination of Wiggins + Kuminga + Moody + Wiseman?

No, but another team may take those 3 young guys that are rebuilding. It's not a bad offer, just not happening. The smart play is to take on Wiggins in a 3 way deal somehow. That's assuming nothing else is available. Free agency is not realistic for us.

Its really the best offer, short of trading someone else with Pascal for a superstar like Lillard.

Yep. I mean to grab Wiggins from the rebuilding team. So it needs multiple teams involved kind of like the Harden deal. GS will pay the tax if they had Beal or someone like that but they don't want to with current roster
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Post#1475 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sun Aug 1, 2021 3:05 am

AussieRaptor wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:I heard on Ringer's draft show that GS has to pay $50M in luxury tax IF they keep both 1st round picks. This season and it carries on again next season. They HAVE to make a trade. No way the ownership is going to pay that for prospects.


Knowing what we know now, would you trade Siakam for any combination of Wiggins + Kuminga + Moody + Wiseman?

I would. I'd try to have him included, but they could probably even keep Moody and I think I'd still do it. We'd have solid young players in OG/Barnes/Kuminga/Wiseman (and maybe GTJ) to rebuild with. Wiggins can provide some stopgap scoring as the kids develop.
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Post#1476 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sun Aug 1, 2021 3:13 am

bboyskinnylegs wrote:
AussieRaptor wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:I heard on Ringer's draft show that GS has to pay $50M in luxury tax IF they keep both 1st round picks. This season and it carries on again next season. They HAVE to make a trade. No way the ownership is going to pay that for prospects.


Knowing what we know now, would you trade Siakam for any combination of Wiggins + Kuminga + Moody + Wiseman?

I would. I'd try to have him included, but they could probably even keep Moody and I think I'd still do it. We'd have solid young players in OG/Barnes/Kuminga/Wiseman (and maybe GTJ) to rebuild with. Wiggins can provide some stopgap scoring as the kids develop.

I don't know what's changed from before the draft. Masai probably wouldn't have made the deal unless he got Kuminga and he's included. I don't know how much he would've cared about the 14th pick. Can't imagine anyone being upset about Moody.
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Post#1477 » by DangerZone13 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 5:40 am

Just an attempt to connect the dots:

Sixers: McCollum, Lowry for Simmons, Curry, Hill
Blazers: Siakam, Hield for McCollum, Nurkic, Covington
Kings: Covington, Nurkic, Curry for Hield, Bagley
Raptors: Simmons, Bagley, Hill for Siakam, Lowry
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Post#1478 » by WeTheNorth123 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:50 am

Pascal Siakam plus assets

for

Miles Turner + TJ Warren
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Post#1479 » by bballsparkin » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:56 am

WeTheNorth123 wrote:Pascal Siakam plus assets

for

Miles Turner + TJ Warren


Plus assets? Nah, just with Pascal.
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Post#1480 » by AussieRaptor » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:07 am

WeTheNorth123 wrote:Pascal Siakam plus assets

for

Miles Turner + TJ Warren


If it were Siakam for Turner + Warren straight up, I’d strongly consider that. Turner fills the hole at C for us and Warren gives us that much needed scoring wing. Not sure the fit for Pacers though. Siakam + Sabonis front court? I’m not attaching assets either. I’m not trading away Siakam unless there’s clear value there. Warren missed all of last season due to injury so there’s risk involved, and Siakam >> Turner.

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