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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1561 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue Aug 3, 2021 5:36 pm

RapsAndJays21 wrote:If we want to make the playoffs this season, I think a deal for McCollum makes sense.


Not worth it.

Portland will ask for Siakam back and if I'm going to deal Siakam, I'd rather send him to the Warriors where we can get some young talent back.

There's no point to using what might be our best asset to JUST make the playoffs.
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Post#1562 » by bboyskinnylegs » Tue Aug 3, 2021 5:46 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
RapsAndJays21 wrote:If we want to make the playoffs this season, I think a deal for McCollum makes sense.


Not worth it.

Portland will ask for Siakam back and if I'm going to deal Siakam, I'd rather send him to the Warriors where we can get some young talent back.

There's no point to using what might be our best asset to JUST make the playoffs.

yep, no half measures. If you deal Pascal, it should be for a young player locked up that is going to be a star here (Ingram? Fox?), or for a rebuilding package with enough young talent for us to build with (Wiseman+Kuminga+Wiggins?). If we're going to make the playoffs, it should be because we have young players playing at a level well above what we're paying them - not because we spend on older win-now mercenaries that will help us squeak into the playoffs only to wilt when the pressure dials up.
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1563 » by Morris_Shatford » Tue Aug 3, 2021 5:54 pm

Dragic to Dallas makes a lot of sense;
However, it seems the media has attached the consideration that because Powell is Canadian he somehow becomes an asset to us, but he has 2/23 left on his deal and isn't terrible healthy or all that great when he is.

Lifting his salary is a favor to the Mavs, If Powell is coming along with the Mavs 2025 FRP, sure
But if the Raps are liquidating an asset like Dragic it shouldn't be for junk like Powell.
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1564 » by Lord_Zedd » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:15 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Dragic to Dallas makes a lot of sense;
However, it seems the media has attached the consideration that because Powell is Canadian he somehow becomes an asset to us, but he has 2/23 left on his deal and isn't terrible healthy or all that great when he is.

Lifting his salary is a favor to the Mavs, If Powell is coming along with the Mavs 2025 FRP, sure
But if the Raps are liquidating an asset like Dragic it shouldn't be for junk like Powell.


https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-goran-dragic-evan-fournier-daniel-theis-aron-baynes-and-reggie-bullock/

Apparently Kleber also works straight up. Between Powell and Kleber, I'd much rather have Kleber as he's more competent on the defensive end and can shoot the ball.

Kleber's contract after this year isn't guaranteed.
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Post#1565 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:19 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Dragic to Dallas makes a lot of sense;
However, it seems the media has attached the consideration that because Powell is Canadian he somehow becomes an asset to us, but he has 2/23 left on his deal and isn't terrible healthy or all that great when he is.

Lifting his salary is a favor to the Mavs, If Powell is coming along with the Mavs 2025 FRP, sure
But if the Raps are liquidating an asset like Dragic it shouldn't be for junk like Powell.


https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-goran-dragic-evan-fournier-daniel-theis-aron-baynes-and-reggie-bullock/

Apparently Kleber also works straight up. Between Powell and Kleber, I'd much rather have Kleber as he's more competent on the defensive end and can shoot the ball.

Kleber's contract after this year isn't guaranteed.


and most importantly, Kleber is almost 6'9" (he's 6'10") and can shoot.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1566 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:24 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Lord_Zedd wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Dragic to Dallas makes a lot of sense;
However, it seems the media has attached the consideration that because Powell is Canadian he somehow becomes an asset to us, but he has 2/23 left on his deal and isn't terrible healthy or all that great when he is.

Lifting his salary is a favor to the Mavs, If Powell is coming along with the Mavs 2025 FRP, sure
But if the Raps are liquidating an asset like Dragic it shouldn't be for junk like Powell.


https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-goran-dragic-evan-fournier-daniel-theis-aron-baynes-and-reggie-bullock/

Apparently Kleber also works straight up. Between Powell and Kleber, I'd much rather have Kleber as he's more competent on the defensive end and can shoot the ball.

Kleber's contract after this year isn't guaranteed.


and most importantly, Kleber is almost 6'9" (he's 6'10") and can shoot.


I'd love Kleber, doubt they give him up though. He's highly valued.
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Post#1567 » by Rumi » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:29 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Dragic to Dallas makes a lot of sense;
However, it seems the media has attached the consideration that because Powell is Canadian he somehow becomes an asset to us, but he has 2/23 left on his deal and isn't terrible healthy or all that great when he is.

Lifting his salary is a favor to the Mavs, If Powell is coming along with the Mavs 2025 FRP, sure
But if the Raps are liquidating an asset like Dragic it shouldn't be for junk like Powell.


https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-goran-dragic-evan-fournier-daniel-theis-aron-baynes-and-reggie-bullock/

Apparently Kleber also works straight up. Between Powell and Kleber, I'd much rather have Kleber as he's more competent on the defensive end and can shoot the ball.

Kleber's contract after this year isn't guaranteed.


Can someone outline the benefit of flipping Dragic right now versus holding off until the trade deadline?

I actually think he could be a valuable piece to move at the deadline for 1st rounder at least. Don't think Kleber or Powell are good enough to move the needle for us. Perfectly fine with going with Precious and Boucher at C and possibly bringing Birch back as well.
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Post#1568 » by Morris_Shatford » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:31 pm

Rumi wrote:
Lord_Zedd wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Dragic to Dallas makes a lot of sense;
However, it seems the media has attached the consideration that because Powell is Canadian he somehow becomes an asset to us, but he has 2/23 left on his deal and isn't terrible healthy or all that great when he is.

Lifting his salary is a favor to the Mavs, If Powell is coming along with the Mavs 2025 FRP, sure
But if the Raps are liquidating an asset like Dragic it shouldn't be for junk like Powell.


https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-goran-dragic-evan-fournier-daniel-theis-aron-baynes-and-reggie-bullock/

Apparently Kleber also works straight up. Between Powell and Kleber, I'd much rather have Kleber as he's more competent on the defensive end and can shoot the ball.

Kleber's contract after this year isn't guaranteed.


Can someone outline the benefit of flipping Dragic right now versus holding off until the trade deadline?

I actually think he could be a valuable piece to move at the deadline for 1st rounder at least. Don't think Kleber or Powell are good enough to move the needle for us. Perfectly fine with going with Precious and Boucher at C and possibly bringing Birch back as well.


I am with you;
Dragic playing at a similar level to last season on an expiring deal potentially yields you a pick or a prospect at the deadline.

Flipping Dragic for Powell and a 9m TPE isn't great asset management to me;
But if you can yield something along with a pick (even a distant one) today I would almost rather do that.

Whichever scenario lands me a better asset I am good with.
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1569 » by bboyskinnylegs » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:31 pm

Rumi wrote:
Lord_Zedd wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Dragic to Dallas makes a lot of sense;
However, it seems the media has attached the consideration that because Powell is Canadian he somehow becomes an asset to us, but he has 2/23 left on his deal and isn't terrible healthy or all that great when he is.

Lifting his salary is a favor to the Mavs, If Powell is coming along with the Mavs 2025 FRP, sure
But if the Raps are liquidating an asset like Dragic it shouldn't be for junk like Powell.


https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-goran-dragic-evan-fournier-daniel-theis-aron-baynes-and-reggie-bullock/

Apparently Kleber also works straight up. Between Powell and Kleber, I'd much rather have Kleber as he's more competent on the defensive end and can shoot the ball.

Kleber's contract after this year isn't guaranteed.


Can someone outline the benefit of flipping Dragic right now versus holding off until the trade deadline?

I actually think he could be a valuable piece to move at the deadline for 1st rounder at least. Don't think Kleber or Powell are good enough to move the needle for us. Perfectly fine with going with Precious and Boucher at C and possibly bringing Birch back as well.

While we probably could wait it out until the deadline if we have to, I think we'd prefer finding the trade with a team now if we can get a nominal asset (especially since we know there were multiple teams that were looking to sign Kyle that may now be looking for a PG).
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Post#1570 » by Morris_Shatford » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:32 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Dragic to Dallas makes a lot of sense;
However, it seems the media has attached the consideration that because Powell is Canadian he somehow becomes an asset to us, but he has 2/23 left on his deal and isn't terrible healthy or all that great when he is.

Lifting his salary is a favor to the Mavs, If Powell is coming along with the Mavs 2025 FRP, sure
But if the Raps are liquidating an asset like Dragic it shouldn't be for junk like Powell.


https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-goran-dragic-evan-fournier-daniel-theis-aron-baynes-and-reggie-bullock/

Apparently Kleber also works straight up. Between Powell and Kleber, I'd much rather have Kleber as he's more competent on the defensive end and can shoot the ball.

Kleber's contract after this year isn't guaranteed.


I like Kleber and his contract much more than Powell and his
However at least Powell somewhat fills a need at the five, Kleber is great but he is 29 and you get what you get.

I would almost rather take back a questionable deal like Powell as long as it lands me draft assets in the process.
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Post#1571 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:41 pm

Dallas could find someone to take WCS and send us Moses brown + 2nd for dragic giving us a TPE around 17mill
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Post#1572 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:42 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
Lord_Zedd wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Dragic to Dallas makes a lot of sense;
However, it seems the media has attached the consideration that because Powell is Canadian he somehow becomes an asset to us, but he has 2/23 left on his deal and isn't terrible healthy or all that great when he is.

Lifting his salary is a favor to the Mavs, If Powell is coming along with the Mavs 2025 FRP, sure
But if the Raps are liquidating an asset like Dragic it shouldn't be for junk like Powell.


https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-goran-dragic-evan-fournier-daniel-theis-aron-baynes-and-reggie-bullock/

Apparently Kleber also works straight up. Between Powell and Kleber, I'd much rather have Kleber as he's more competent on the defensive end and can shoot the ball.

Kleber's contract after this year isn't guaranteed.


I like Kleber and his contract much more than Powell and his
However at least Powell somewhat fills a need at the five, Kleber is great but he is 29 and you get what you get.

I would almost rather take back a questionable deal like Powell as long as it lands me draft assets in the process.


Maxi is used as a 5 in Dallas
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Post#1573 » by Morris_Shatford » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:44 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:Dallas could find someone to take WCS and send us Moses brown + 2nd for dragic giving us a TPE around 17mill


If you can turn a Lowry S&T into Achiuwa, Brown, 2x SRPs, and a 17m TPE I will chalk that up as a win....
Even though Brown is not 6" 9"
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1574 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue Aug 3, 2021 6:47 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
Lord_Zedd wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Dragic to Dallas makes a lot of sense;
However, it seems the media has attached the consideration that because Powell is Canadian he somehow becomes an asset to us, but he has 2/23 left on his deal and isn't terrible healthy or all that great when he is.

Lifting his salary is a favor to the Mavs, If Powell is coming along with the Mavs 2025 FRP, sure
But if the Raps are liquidating an asset like Dragic it shouldn't be for junk like Powell.


https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-goran-dragic-evan-fournier-daniel-theis-aron-baynes-and-reggie-bullock/

Apparently Kleber also works straight up. Between Powell and Kleber, I'd much rather have Kleber as he's more competent on the defensive end and can shoot the ball.

Kleber's contract after this year isn't guaranteed.


I like Kleber and his contract much more than Powell and his
However at least Powell somewhat fills a need at the five, Kleber is great but he is 29 and you get what you get.

I would almost rather take back a questionable deal like Powell as long as it lands me draft assets in the process.


Absolutely agree with you, Morris.

I like Klebler but no point in taking him back. He makes us slightly better in the short term and does nothing for us in the long term.

For a team that is not on a contending trajectory, I see no point in wins right now if we could instead have assets for the future.

Now, if Masai still intends to build around this core, that's a completely different thing.
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Post#1575 » by Rodrickle » Tue Aug 3, 2021 7:07 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Dragic to Dallas makes a lot of sense;
However, it seems the media has attached the consideration that because Powell is Canadian he somehow becomes an asset to us, but he has 2/23 left on his deal and isn't terrible healthy or all that great when he is.

Lifting his salary is a favor to the Mavs, If Powell is coming along with the Mavs 2025 FRP, sure
But if the Raps are liquidating an asset like Dragic it shouldn't be for junk like Powell.
He is only guaranteed 6M on 2022/23, but there should definitely be an asset attached to him, due to his lack of production last year.

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Post#1576 » by Clutch0z24 » Tue Aug 3, 2021 7:10 pm

Looks like we will Strike out rebuild mode is the way to go
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Post#1577 » by C-R-E-A-M- » Tue Aug 3, 2021 7:59 pm

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Post#1578 » by simple_jack » Tue Aug 3, 2021 8:26 pm

Frank Ntlikina??

Can we fix him?
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Post#1579 » by normgod6 » Tue Aug 3, 2021 8:37 pm

i think theres a good opportunity to make a trade with the blazers. They are desperate to add talent to prevent Dame from leaving and we can probably get a good return of unprotected picks and Nassir Little/Antfernee Simons from them for Siakam

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Post#1580 » by Bowdystuda » Tue Aug 3, 2021 9:00 pm

I have a weird feeling we may end up with Oladipo on a 1 year prove me contract. Mid level. Big upside if healthy. Him and Masai are tight. I wouldn't be mad at it.

Guard rotation of FVV, Oladipo, Flynn and Trent Jr. Is pretty solid especially if Oladipo comes back hard.

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