Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic)

[Syd-TK3]

Can we just make the miami part official already so precious can atleast play summer league

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Has Dragic been traded yet

[Denisaur9]

Can we just make the miami part official already so precious can atleast play summer league

KZ Okpala is suspected to be apart of the trade as well and he and precious even though they are with heat summer league team haven't played a minute.

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[Skeezo]

I'm no more aggressive or attacking now than before... ask around and there are enough people who don't like me. It's more because I I don't suffer fools gladly, or have much patience for trolly contrarians and/or posters with obvious agendas to hate on the team/org/etc... There has been a huge increase in both over the last 3-5 years here. Many are duplicate accounts that RGM has no willingness to clean up, which is why you see me a lot less as well.

Otherwise I'm as balanced and positive as ever

Well, I've never been in a rift with you & as you can see, I am not some recent duplicate account. I've paid my dues and earned my right to speak my piece, in a respectful manner. If you feel my perspective is purposefully being contrarian, or has an agenda behind it, I ask you to be that rationale balanced guy I have typically come to know, and make your case. Don't resort to cheap one-line attacks, that's sinking to the depths of the members you have seen an increase of and despise.

I'll admit, from your posts, you and I do differ in our opinion regarding the Raps a fair bit, but I always respected the level of detail you went with explaining your argument. As a result, I have always taken the time to engage in reading your content.

Anyways, I still believe what I believe regarding the Lowry S&T... If Precious is all our return for taking on a 19.5m in salary for a player in Dragic, who we don't want, & would seem has little value on the trade market, then we got ripped off in comparison to other S&T's that have taken place this year. Achiuwa better be AMAZING if we are willing to make a 19.5m additional investment to get him.

Glad you are doing alright!

You know what? I owe you an apology. I had you confused with Steelo Green. Or Pooh Jeter Or Steelo Jeter. Or whataver other name that guy makes his terrible posts from.

In the case of Skeezo and Steelo Green, I think you may see why if I haven't been super active, that I might have mixed you up?

No worries... I have had to take my breaks from RGM as well... I know Pooh & Steelo can rub some people the wrong way, and I can understand why I may be confused with them because I don't always have the most agreeable personality at all times either. Still, I have found patience has run very thin for those who have any variation of towing the "organizational line" in the forum. RGM was built on trade ideas, being critical of our team and its transactions as it matured as a franchise. Consequently, I don't understand how we have become so absolute in our thinking, and that goes beyond this forum.

Anyways, I don't disagree that we are a far cry from our days of Babcock and Kevin O'Neil. So, yes, there is a ton to be thankful for & I wouldn't want anyone else in charge of our franchise... Still, our expectations have now been raised as an organization with winning a championship. As a result, I don't think our front office should be above criticism. Especially when our offseasons' since the championship have seen moves that could be viewed as a team that doesn't seem to have a clear plan. Now you may disagree with me on that point, and that's cool. As I said, I don't always agree with some of your takes, but I recognize you put some good thought into it, which is more then what I can say of a lot of posters regardless of whatever "side" their on. Anyways, Cheers!

[biblast]

Sooo 2 days later we still don’t know exactly who we end up getting/keeping from this S&T.
And this may linger till Friday! Damn!!
I need to contact my dawg Grange for an inside scoop!!


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[ATLTimekeeper]

All you really need to know about a plan is that the Raptors intended to get younger, and they've done that. That the Raptors intended to accommodate Lowry in FA, and they've done that. That they had a decent sense that the offers would be about the same in the summer as they were in the winter, and that's true. How does this benefit the Raptors? Well, for the first time in history a star leaves on a good note. In a league where we're competing with marquee destination teams that violate the CBA, we have to compete in a different way. We have to give credible selling points to talent that comes through here. Now, there's a Kyle Lowry standard.

You can complain about the Raptors consistently giving POs or overbidding and not using leverage to put the wood to their own players, but we now have the reputation as a team that you can get a contract with. We have the reputation of a team that is known for development. These are a couple of the building blocks that Ujiri used to build this team up and eventually seized his opportunity to create a champion. And if he stays, I'm certain he won't budge from that.

[CANsportsguru]

Probably has something to do with Kawhi (although he's expected to remain with the Clippers), he did say he'd listen to other teams and one of those other teams were Dallas. Don't think the Mavs want all of Dragic's 19 million salary.

[dagger]

All you really need to know about a plan is that the Raptors intended to get younger, and they've done that.

Technically, until we get rid of Dragic who is the same age as Kyle, nothing much has changed age-wise. Slight lowering of age by replacing fairly young guys like Webster and Stanley Johnson with even younger like Barnes.

[Rapsobsessed7]

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[gerrit4]

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Fair enough, but kind of bizarre that they'd want to wait a year for a guy who is already 35. They must not want him too much.

At a certain point, I think we just keep Dragic and let him increase his trade value. He'll get minutes on this team and probably be our first guard off the bench. He may not be stoked to be here, but neither was Kawhi and that worked out pretty well.

If he stinks here, then we can waive him at the deadline.

[shots n stops]

All you really need to know about a plan is that the Raptors intended to get younger, and they've done that. That the Raptors intended to accommodate Lowry in FA, and they've done that. That they had a decent sense that the offers would be about the same in the summer as they were in the winter, and that's true. How does this benefit the Raptors? Well, for the first time in history a star leaves on a good note. In a league where we're competing with marquee destination teams that violate the CBA, we have to compete in a different way. We have to give credible selling points to talent that comes through here. Now, there's a Kyle Lowry standard.

You can complain about the Raptors consistently giving POs or overbidding and not using leverage to put the wood to their own players, but we now have the reputation as a team that you can get a contract with. We have the reputation of a team that is known for development. These are a couple of the building blocks that Ujiri used to build this team up and eventually seized his opportunity to create a champion. And if he stays, I'm certain he won't budge from that.

Very very well said, and to add we work with agents (Dekker) and we work with other GMs ( Riley) even though there was the Bosh situation.

Someone mentioned the deal with SA and Chi and said that they got more for Demar than we got for Kyle but mark eversly is young and up and coming he is trying to make a name for himself and have good relationships, can’t compare him to Riley.

a lot of the younger bigs we wanted probably didn’t want to come here especially during a pandemic which I think made it even more difficult for us to attract FAs, we will always have this problem until we have enough Canadian stars that want to come here.

[Clay Davis]

All you really need to know about a plan is that the Raptors intended to get younger, and they've done that. That the Raptors intended to accommodate Lowry in FA, and they've done that. That they had a decent sense that the offers would be about the same in the summer as they were in the winter, and that's true. How does this benefit the Raptors? Well, for the first time in history a star leaves on a good note. In a league where we're competing with marquee destination teams that violate the CBA, we have to compete in a different way. We have to give credible selling points to talent that comes through here. Now, there's a Kyle Lowry standard.

You can complain about the Raptors consistently giving POs or overbidding and not using leverage to put the wood to their own players, but we now have the reputation as a team that you can get a contract with. We have the reputation of a team that is known for development. These are a couple of the building blocks that Ujiri used to build this team up and eventually seized his opportunity to create a champion. And if he stays, I'm certain he won't budge from that.

Yup. This is part of building a winning culture

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[ATLTimekeeper]

All you really need to know about a plan is that the Raptors intended to get younger, and they've done that.

Technically, until we get rid of Dragic who is the same age as Kyle, nothing much has changed age-wise. Slight lowering of age by replacing fairly young guys like Webster and Stanley Johnson with even younger like Barnes.

Webster? They definitely got younger with Barnes, Trent and even Birch is younger than Baynes. Don't confuse Dragic's age with Kyle's in this. Kyle was a core piece, Dragic is a trade chip, buy out, or one year player.

[TorontoRapsFan]

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I'm glad the Raptors don't have to take on any of the Mavs cast offs.

[Chandan]

we should use Goran to lure Luka here instead.

[6ixpessant]

Not a fan of helping other teams, especially the one who took Bosh from us.

We'll see in a couple days

I still thank the heat for taking Bosh from us.

[Wasp]

If Dallas doesn't want to play ball, that's fine. Dragic fits an actual need on our team as bench scoring guard, can still be moved at the deadline, or we could simply let him expire if there aren't any deals that appeal to us and bank the $19mil in cap space.

One of the best aspects of the Masai/Bobby FO is that they do not panic and they have the patience and guts to walk away from the table if they're not getting what they want.

[Son Goku 25]

Must be tough doing what Masai and Bobby do. The patience they have... most of us fans think it's easy doing these negotiations plus with all the paper work and numbers.

[Pooh_Jeter]

All you really need to know about a plan is that the Raptors intended to get younger, and they've done that. That the Raptors intended to accommodate Lowry in FA, and they've done that. That they had a decent sense that the offers would be about the same in the summer as they were in the winter, and that's true. How does this benefit the Raptors? Well, for the first time in history a star leaves on a good note. In a league where we're competing with marquee destination teams that violate the CBA, we have to compete in a different way. We have to give credible selling points to talent that comes through here. Now, there's a Kyle Lowry standard.

You can complain about the Raptors consistently giving POs or overbidding and not using leverage to put the wood to their own players, but we now have the reputation as a team that you can get a contract with. We have the reputation of a team that is known for development. These are a couple of the building blocks that Ujiri used to build this team up and eventually seized his opportunity to create a champion. And if he stays, I'm certain he won't budge from that.

If this is the pitch management is going to use to attract players this team is in truly dire straits. Players/agents have control of the league right now and if you think "Hey, they accommodated Kyle Lowry" is even a slight consideration for the top guys you're simply out of touch with how pro sports works. The Raptors won a championship and actually lost talent from that team instead of getting a mythical boost from championship culture.

Stars want to play with other stars, the only way the Raptors attract one from outside the organization is if they develop their own first.

[canz55]

I understand Raptor's brass preference for using Dragic to acquire some younger pieces that we can store in our player factory, but if Dallas is playing hardball then I think we can all come to peace with Dargic staying and making a contribution to our half-court offence off the bench.

Like other posters have mentioned we can trade him mid-season for value if Dragic can stay on the court and produce.