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Post#841 » by K_ick_God » Thu Aug 5, 2021 9:11 pm

The most effective PG we've had in a long time was when an Old Kidd played well for about 75% of the season until Mike Woodson ran him into the ground.
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Post#842 » by ENYK » Thu Aug 5, 2021 9:14 pm

I don't hate it, but this is such a quintessential Knicks move. Grab a former star PG in the twilight of his career.

We've now had past his prime Steve Francis, Baron Davis, JKidd, Chauncey... now Kemba. I have no doubt we'll sign Westbrook when he loses the last of his hops.
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Post#843 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 5, 2021 9:43 pm

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Worst_to_First wrote:Hmmm so Kemba and Fournier had a net rating of +30.8 with Kemba saying they had instant chemistry. Nice.


As a starting 4, I'd probably give the edge to Tatum/Brown/Fournier/Kemba over Randle/RJ/Fournier/Kemba, but Knicks have 4 legit scorers, though obviously the Knicks lineup is also different than the C's.


I think Kemba could be more dangerous with the Knicks because of how well he compliments the other pieces. Like in chess - you can do more damage with 2 rooks and 2 bishops as opposed to having only 4 bishops. There was alot of redundancy with the Celtics.

thebuzzardman wrote:Underrated part of Fournier/Kemba is that now the Knicks won't nearly all of it's top 7 in the rotation to have a good night, be perfect etc. Just didn't feel like the Knicks had much margin for error last year or had many blowouts.

Hopefully this team puts some teams down earlier and lets more of the bench stretch out and the starters rest. Will make a difference come the playoffs, no matter what seed they are.


Yes, I love the fact that we added 2 20 ppg scorers essentialy in their primes in Kemba and Fournier. They also replace our 2 weakest players. I can't wait to see this team in action. I also can't wait to see our bench DEMOLISH other benches lol.


Nice reply!

I was thinking of the synergistic aspect of getting Kemba and Fournier on the Knicks. Now, I'm not sure the Knick parts fit better or not, as Tatum is pretty creative and Brown athletic, and do Randle/RJ fit THAT much better than the for the C's?
But what seems pretty obvious is much easier having Kemba/Fournier and their ability to move the ball will help Randle/RJ.
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Post#844 » by Nyk88 » Thu Aug 5, 2021 9:47 pm

ENYK wrote:I don't hate it, but this is such a quintessential Knicks move. Grab a former star PG in the twilight of his career.

We've now had past his prime Steve Francis, Baron Davis, JKidd, Chauncey... now Kemba. I have no doubt we'll sign Westbrook when he loses the last of his hops.


Quintessential would be to trade picks and assets for said player.
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Post#845 » by Marty McFly » Thu Aug 5, 2021 9:57 pm

ENYK wrote:I don't hate it, but this is such a quintessential Knicks move. Grab a former star PG in the twilight of his career.

We've now had past his prime Steve Francis, Baron Davis, JKidd, Chauncey... now Kemba. I have no doubt we'll sign Westbrook when he loses the last of his hops.


true, but this time we have two instead of one. and a metric **** ton of other guards on the roster as well.
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Re: Woj Kemba buying out of okc signing with NYC 

Post#846 » by 2010 » Thu Aug 5, 2021 10:01 pm

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2020 wrote:
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As a starting 4, I'd probably give the edge to Tatum/Brown/Fournier/Kemba over Randle/RJ/Fournier/Kemba, but Knicks have 4 legit scorers, though obviously the Knicks lineup is also different than the C's.


I think Kemba could be more dangerous with the Knicks because of how well he compliments the other pieces. Like in chess - you can do more damage with 2 rooks and 2 bishops as opposed to having only 4 bishops. There was alot of redundancy with the Celtics.

thebuzzardman wrote:Underrated part of Fournier/Kemba is that now the Knicks won't nearly all of it's top 7 in the rotation to have a good night, be perfect etc. Just didn't feel like the Knicks had much margin for error last year or had many blowouts.

Hopefully this team puts some teams down earlier and lets more of the bench stretch out and the starters rest. Will make a difference come the playoffs, no matter what seed they are.


Yes, I love the fact that we added 2 20 ppg scorers essentialy in their primes in Kemba and Fournier. They also replace our 2 weakest players. I can't wait to see this team in action. I also can't wait to see our bench DEMOLISH other benches lol.


Nice reply!

I was thinking of the synergistic aspect of getting Kemba and Fournier on the Knicks. Now, I'm not sure the Knick parts fit better or not, as Tatum is pretty creative and Brown athletic, and do Randle/RJ fit THAT much better than the for the C's?
But what seems pretty obvious is much easier having Kemba/Fournier and their ability to move the ball will help Randle/RJ.


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Post#848 » by Capn'O » Thu Aug 5, 2021 10:19 pm

2010 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
2020 wrote:
I think Kemba could be more dangerous with the Knicks because of how well he compliments the other pieces. Like in chess - you can do more damage with 2 rooks and 2 bishops as opposed to having only 4 bishops. There was alot of redundancy with the Celtics.



Yes, I love the fact that we added 2 20 ppg scorers essentialy in their primes in Kemba and Fournier. They also replace our 2 weakest players. I can't wait to see this team in action. I also can't wait to see our bench DEMOLISH other benches lol.


Nice reply!

I was thinking of the synergistic aspect of getting Kemba and Fournier on the Knicks. Now, I'm not sure the Knick parts fit better or not, as Tatum is pretty creative and Brown athletic, and do Randle/RJ fit THAT much better than the for the C's?
But what seems pretty obvious is much easier having Kemba/Fournier and their ability to move the ball will help Randle/RJ.


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Post#849 » by Horcy » Thu Aug 5, 2021 10:20 pm

Amazing signing by you guys. It will be so much fun to see NYK this season.
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Post#850 » by Isiahthomass » Thu Aug 5, 2021 10:23 pm

ENYK wrote:I don't hate it, but this is such a quintessential Knicks move. Grab a former star PG in the twilight of his career.

We've now had past his prime Steve Francis, Baron Davis, JKidd, Chauncey... now Kemba. I have no doubt we'll sign Westbrook when he loses the last of his hops.



Nah , quintessential Knicks move would have been trading RJ, IQ, Obi and 2 unprotected first round picks for Kemba while he's still on his Celtics contract.
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Post#851 » by cgmw » Thu Aug 5, 2021 10:33 pm

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ENYK wrote:I don't hate it, but this is such a quintessential Knicks move. Grab a former star PG in the twilight of his career.

We've now had past his prime Steve Francis, Baron Davis, JKidd, Chauncey... now Kemba. I have no doubt we'll sign Westbrook when he loses the last of his hops.



Nah , quintessential Knicks move would have been trading RJ, IQ, Obi and 2 unprotected first round picks for Kemba while he's still on his Celtics contract.

Don’t forget TMac! (Or D Rose for that matter).

But Kemba is 31 (same age as Lillard I think) just 2 seasons removed from an All Star appearance, and playing for essentially the MLE. Also noteworthy that he’s walking into an established group with playoff experience not to mention he and Fournier have their own existing chemistry. Then consider the split with D-Rose and the sheer depth of bouncy 20 year olds behind them in IQ, McBride, and Vildoza.

I’m not sure if the knee can hold up, but the situation is certainly ripe for success. I wonder how much of Brad Stevens offense, max contract Kyrie expectations, and a total lack of interior players affected Kemba’s game — not that he didn’t just average 20 and 5 anyway.

It’s really hard not to be optimistic, but we wouldn’t be Knick fans without a healthy dose of nasty skepticism.
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Post#852 » by WargamesX » Thu Aug 5, 2021 10:38 pm

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ENYK wrote:I don't hate it, but this is such a quintessential Knicks move. Grab a former star PG in the twilight of his career.

We've now had past his prime Steve Francis, Baron Davis, JKidd, Chauncey... now Kemba. I have no doubt we'll sign Westbrook when he loses the last of his hops.



Nah , quintessential Knicks move would have been trading RJ, IQ, Obi and 2 unprotected first round picks for Kemba while he's still on his Celtics contract.


Also I don’t think Kemba is nearly as done as all the names you mentioned. Those guys were all in their mid 30’s when they came to NY. Kemba career wise is where Chauncey was when he went to Denver or Jkidd to Dallas or Barron in Cleveland. Their is still some gas in the tank, he’s just not going 100 miles per hour all game anymore. To be more specific he’s in a situation where he doesn’t have to do too much to be an important piece. Add to that Rose and Him sharing minutes and some younger guys too and it’s about as good situation as all sides could hope for.
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Post#853 » by RHODEY » Thu Aug 5, 2021 10:40 pm

ENYK wrote:I don't hate it, but this is such a quintessential Knicks move. Grab a former star PG in the twilight of his career.

We've now had past his prime Steve Francis, Baron Davis, JKidd, Chauncey... now Kemba. I have no doubt we'll sign Westbrook when he loses the last of his hops.


Dramatic . Kemba is still good, and he fits great and is cheap.
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Post#854 » by omerome » Thu Aug 5, 2021 10:44 pm

ENYK wrote:I don't hate it, but this is such a quintessential Knicks move. Grab a former star PG in the twilight of his career.

We've now had past his prime Steve Francis, Baron Davis, JKidd, Chauncey... now Kemba. I have no doubt we'll sign Westbrook when he loses the last of his hops.

No, a quintessential Knicks move would have been to trade for the remaining years on Kemba's contract in the twilight of his career. Then try to sell it to the fanbase that we have a former star PG. What we did was pounce on a rare opportunity to grab an upgrade with little to no risk and without giving away any assets.

This is what smart teams do.
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Post#855 » by Ray Williams » Thu Aug 5, 2021 10:58 pm

WargamesX wrote:
Isiahthomass wrote:
ENYK wrote:I don't hate it, but this is such a quintessential Knicks move. Grab a former star PG in the twilight of his career.

We've now had past his prime Steve Francis, Baron Davis, JKidd, Chauncey... now Kemba. I have no doubt we'll sign Westbrook when he loses the last of his hops.



Nah , quintessential Knicks move would have been trading RJ, IQ, Obi and 2 unprotected first round picks for Kemba while he's still on his Celtics contract.


Also I don’t think Kemba is nearly as done as all the names you mentioned. Those guys were all in their mid 30’s when they came to NY. Kemba career wise is where Chauncey was when he went to Denver or Jkidd to Dallas or Barron in Cleveland. Their is still some gas in the tank, he’s just not going 100 miles per hour all game anymore. To be more specific he’s in a situation where he doesn’t have to do too much to be an important piece. Add to that Rose and Him sharing minutes and some younger guys too and it’s about as good situation as all sides could hope for.


Doc Rivers and Derek Harper started and played well for us on good contending teams and were both a few years older than Kemba.
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Post#856 » by Capn'O » Thu Aug 5, 2021 11:26 pm

omerome wrote:
ENYK wrote:I don't hate it, but this is such a quintessential Knicks move. Grab a former star PG in the twilight of his career.

We've now had past his prime Steve Francis, Baron Davis, JKidd, Chauncey... now Kemba. I have no doubt we'll sign Westbrook when he loses the last of his hops.

No, a quintessential Knicks move would have been to trade for the remaining years on Kemba's contract in the twilight of his career. Then try to sell it to the fanbase that we have a former star PG. What we did was pounce on a rare opportunity to grab an upgrade with little to no risk and without giving away any assets.

This is what smart teams do.


Yup. Same old Knicks wouldn't have 8 total incoming draft picks (two firsts and six seconds) from other teams with zero outgoing.
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Post#857 » by Monk1718 » Thu Aug 5, 2021 11:39 pm

Horcy wrote:Amazing signing by you guys. It will be so much fun to see NYK this season.

We even have Orlando fans now. Shout out to you.
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Post#858 » by Isiahthomass » Thu Aug 5, 2021 11:43 pm

WargamesX wrote:
Isiahthomass wrote:
ENYK wrote:I don't hate it, but this is such a quintessential Knicks move. Grab a former star PG in the twilight of his career.

We've now had past his prime Steve Francis, Baron Davis, JKidd, Chauncey... now Kemba. I have no doubt we'll sign Westbrook when he loses the last of his hops.



Nah , quintessential Knicks move would have been trading RJ, IQ, Obi and 2 unprotected first round picks for Kemba while he's still on his Celtics contract.


Also I don’t think Kemba is nearly as done as all the names you mentioned. Those guys were all in their mid 30’s when they came to NY. Kemba career wise is where Chauncey was when he went to Denver or Jkidd to Dallas or Barron in Cleveland. Their is still some gas in the tank, he’s just not going 100 miles per hour all game anymore. To be more specific he’s in a situation where he doesn’t have to do too much to be an important piece. Add to that Rose and Him sharing minutes and some younger guys too and it’s about as good situation as all sides could hope for.


Even 25 minutes per night of Kemba at his production last year would be a massive improvement, as long as he stays healthy.
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Post#859 » by FrozenEnvelope » Fri Aug 6, 2021 12:36 am

I see Kemba as a stop gap and a bandaid. We still need that long term solution at PG. Starting to think it won't happen in my lifetime.
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Post#860 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Aug 6, 2021 12:37 am

Capn'O wrote:
omerome wrote:
ENYK wrote:I don't hate it, but this is such a quintessential Knicks move. Grab a former star PG in the twilight of his career.

We've now had past his prime Steve Francis, Baron Davis, JKidd, Chauncey... now Kemba. I have no doubt we'll sign Westbrook when he loses the last of his hops.

No, a quintessential Knicks move would have been to trade for the remaining years on Kemba's contract in the twilight of his career. Then try to sell it to the fanbase that we have a former star PG. What we did was pounce on a rare opportunity to grab an upgrade with little to no risk and without giving away any assets.

This is what smart teams do.


Yup. Same old Knicks wouldn't have 8 total incoming draft picks (two firsts and six seconds) from other teams with zero outgoing.


Same old Knicks wouldn't have 7 players on the team on rookie scale contracts:

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