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[SirChurros]

were improved from last year already. what makes you think we cant repeat?

giannis is 26. and he can and will be able to recruit foreign players like no other. book it

We can repeat. I'd just like for us to have had a better off-season to improve the odds.

We lost PJ and Forbes. One guy was a critical microwave scorer for us in the regular season and outscored Jimmy Butler in the Miami series. The other guy was a 30mpg playoffs starter who got in the face of the opposition mentally and physically on every play.

We added Hill, Hood and Semi. Hill is getting into Ersan washed territory, Hood is coming off a blown achilles and Semi is viewed by Celtics fans like we viewed Royal Ivey.

You keep saying this and it's not true.

Agreed. It's like some folks are just ignoring his time with OKC.

[Bernman]

We had Donte healthy for the regular season last year. So if he is, which he probably won't be, then the Bucks would be the same.

Postseason is what matters though. Couldn't care less what happens in the regular season, beyond making the playoffs and avoiding a 1st rd match-up w/ Brooklyn.

But still, even if Donte's healthy in the postseason, odds are we'll be as unhealthy as this year or more so. The Bucks had the health advantage vs. most playoff teams. If Donte's available, chances are more guys or someone more important isn't.

So what we've added so far doesn't project to be a playoff upgrade. Either they'll have to add more or improve from within.

[paulpressey25]

Agreed. It's like some folks are just ignoring his time with OKC.

I watched him against Atlanta with Philly against real competition. He averaged 2.4 points per game over a seven game series. This was two-months after returning from the hand injury. He's going to be better than Teague. But again that's a really low bar.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

were improved from last year already. what makes you think we cant repeat?

giannis is 26. and he can and will be able to recruit foreign players like no other. book it

We can repeat. I'd just like for us to have had a better off-season to improve the odds.

We lost PJ and Forbes. One guy was a critical microwave scorer for us in the regular season and outscored Jimmy Butler in the Miami series. The other guy was a 30mpg playoffs starter who got in the face of the opposition mentally and physically on every play.

We added Hill, Hood and Semi. Hill is getting into Ersan washed territory, Hood is coming off a blown achilles and Semi is viewed by Celtics fans like we viewed Royal Ivey.

pj? we lost the stackhouse thomas role. big deal. its not a loss and probably a massive gain if we go young with the minutes and hit on a guy. the idea we need to bring in washed up vets for a leadership role on a team that JUST WON A CHMPIONSHIP is a pathetic notion.

forbes? i will miss a couple of those games he had but rather have hood a million times out of a million. if hood comes back healthy its not impossible he could have a month we think hes better than khris. i LOVE that swing the more ive thought about it.

semi seems like bud said go get him. thats the guy i want.

hill we know how he will be and hes better than maybe anybody we even had on our entire bench last year.

all the other guys we wanted were either off the table not coming here no matter what or signed for way more than we had. either way lump em all together and they wouldnt win 10 games in this league together.

we have our core. we got better. we got younger. and were positioned to retain ddv and bobby longterm next year and losing either of them is what would have been a loss.

im ok. i really arent even bummed we lost tucker salary slot. thats really all he was except for somebody who was going to take minutes from the people who might ACTUALLY give us a chance to repeat.

[skones]

We can repeat. I'd just like for us to have had a better off-season to improve the odds.

We lost PJ and Forbes. One guy was a critical microwave scorer for us in the regular season and outscored Jimmy Butler in the Miami series. The other guy was a 30mpg playoffs starter who got in the face of the opposition mentally and physically on every play.

We added Hill, Hood and Semi. Hill is getting into Ersan washed territory, Hood is coming off a blown achilles and Semi is viewed by Celtics fans like we viewed Royal Ivey.

You keep saying this and it's not true.

Agreed. It's like some folks are just ignoring his time with OKC.

He played more games with Philly (28) than he did with OKC (14). Take note of that sample size and let that sink in.

[SirChurros]

Agreed. It's like some folks are just ignoring his time with OKC.

I watched him against Atlanta with Philly against real competition. He averaged 2.4 points per game over a seven game series. This was two-months after returning from the hand injury. He's going to be better than Teague. But again that's a really low bar.

I mean if we're going to call guys washed because they had one bad series, not long removed from injury, we've got a really, really long list to start.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Agreed. It's like some folks are just ignoring his time with OKC.

I watched him against Atlanta with Philly against real competition. He averaged 2.4 points per game over a seven game series. This was two-months after returning from the hand injury. He's going to be better than Teague. But again that's a really low bar.

So we're throwing out everything good he did last year and focusing on only the bad? Again not saying he's going to be incredible, just taking issue with saying he's "Ersan level washed" which to me means you're implying he shouldn't even be on the court.

[SirChurros]

You keep saying this and it's not true.

Agreed. It's like some folks are just ignoring his time with OKC.

He played more games with Philly (28) than he did with OKC (14). Take note of that sample size and let that sink in.

They're both small sample sizes. But if you look at his regular season numbers as a whole last season, he still looked pretty capable.

[SirChurros]

I'm not even a huge fan of the signing, but the argument that he's washed is so ridiculous. His 20-21 numbers weren't far off from what he produced for the Bucks the year prior. The only thing that happened is his shooting numbers reverted back closer to the average, but they were still excellent.

If we're complaining about 9/2/2 on on 48%/39%/80%, for a backup point guard, I'm at a loss.

[buckbeer]

were improved from last year already. what makes you think we cant repeat?

giannis is 26. and he can and will be able to recruit foreign players like no other. book it

We can repeat. I'd just like for us to have had a better off-season to improve the odds.

We lost PJ and Forbes. One guy was a critical microwave scorer for us in the regular season and outscored Jimmy Butler in the Miami series. The other guy was a 30mpg playoffs starter who got in the face of the opposition mentally and physically on every play.

We added Hill, Hood and Semi. Hill is getting into Ersan washed territory, Hood is coming off a blown achilles and Semi is viewed by Celtics fans like we viewed Royal Ivey.

Spurs fans viewed Forbes so badly that they were ecstatic to get rid of him, but he turned out to be a decent rotation piece for us during the regular season.

You're rushing into judgement. Why not give Horst the benefit of the doubt and watch these players play for our team first, before making an evaluation.

[paulpressey25]

just taking issue with saying he's "Ersan level washed" which to me means you're implying he shouldn't even be on the court.

There is a role for George Hill in the NBA. But the issue is that he's right on that edge of a guy who might play ok in short minutes one night, and the next night be invisible on the court.

I use the Ersan term, because I loved the guy. But it was clear that we got every last ounce from him during that 2018-2019 season. By the time he returned the next season, he wasn't a guy you could rely on night in, night out.

Just feel like we really needed to do better somewhere in this offseason process. And Hill and PJ are related. If you don't lose PJ, the need for consistent competency from Hill is lessened.

[skones]

Agreed. It's like some folks are just ignoring his time with OKC.

He played more games with Philly (28) than he did with OKC (14). Take note of that sample size and let that sink in.

They're both small sample sizes. But if you look at his regular season numbers as a whole last season, he still looked pretty capable.

You're the one arguing that people are ignoring a whole 14 games. Hopefully Philly was a fit and familiarity issue more than anything. If not, we. are. screwed.

[paulpressey25]

Spurs fans viewed Forbes so badly that they were ecstatic to get rid of him, but he turned out to be a decent rotation piece for us during the regular season.

You're rushing into judgement. Why not give Horst the benefit of the doubt and watch these players play for our team first, before making an evaluation.

Forbes came to us at age 26 with an elite skill that we needed. Three point shooting. I don't know what Semi's elite skill is, other than he matched up well against Giannis a few times. But we'll find out I guess.

[Sigra]

If we dont win championship next year it will be because:
a) Nets big 3 were healthy
and/or
b) our big 3 were not healthy

and it would be same if PJ Tucker signed with us

[SirChurros]

He played more games with Philly (28) than he did with OKC (14). Take note of that sample size and let that sink in.

They're both small sample sizes. But if you look at his regular season numbers as a whole last season, he still looked pretty capable.

You're the one arguing that people are ignoring a whole 14 games. Hopefully Philly was a fit and familiarity issue more than anything. If not, we. are. screwed.

Wrong. I was arguing that you need to look at the sum, not just his time in Philly.

Even 30 games is a small sample size, but he put up pretty good numbers last season on the whole. Ignoring that because he had a bad postseason is silly. Especially so when the argument is that he's washed.

[WRau1]

just taking issue with saying he's "Ersan level washed" which to me means you're implying he shouldn't even be on the court.

There is a role for George Hill in the NBA. But the issue is that he's right on that edge of a guy who might play ok in short minutes one night, and the next night be invisible on the court.

I use the Ersan term, because I loved the guy. But it was clear that we got every last ounce from him during that 2018-2019 season. By the time he returned the next season, he wasn't a guy you could rely on night in, night out.

Just feel like we really needed to do better somewhere in this offseason process. And Hill and PJ are related. If you don't lose PJ, the need for consistent competency from Hill is lessened.

So Hill is on the cusp of Ersan but you're raging about not resigning Tucker at dbl the cost?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

If we dont win championship next year it will be because:
a) Nets big 3 were healthy
and/or
b) our big 3 were not healthy

and it would be same if PJ Tucker signed with us

ding ding ding. gold nuggets just falling out of your pockets

[ShootingtheJ]

I still don't get why trading 31 was a penny pinching move? The player picked at 31 would make less than a vet. That would actually save a few million with the tax.

The penny pinching move was not buying back in at 33 like the Clippers did.

The 31st pick would have locked them into about 2 yrs/4 million. The last 4 players on the Bucks roster are on 1/1.5 & 3 of them are unguaranteed. The pick they traded for is on a 2-way. And they aren't necessarily going to use all 15 of their nba roster spots. So at this point they are saving money one way or another.

Pick 31 would have made 900 K this year and $1.5 million next year. Thats less both years than the vet minimum of $1.6 million.

By trading for 2 future 2nds, it's now easier to use our TPE.

[craig]

Bucks and Bud have a good situation with Nwoku. They don't need to give him many minutes, or give him minutes every game. He can be used situationally, or not at all. If it's a situational matchup where his defense against 2nd-string group doesn't kill you, you can use him. If it's a situational matchup where even against 2nd-string you think his defense will kill you, don't use him.
*IF* you think the defensive attention and effort is there, even if the actual effectiveness is still iffy, you can elect to play him. *IF* you think the effort isn't even there, and that he's not paying attention or showing commitment and want-to in practice, then you don't need to play him.

With no need to give him minutes, Bud has all the leverage. Nwoku is an ambitious guy who wants to be a scorer. But Bud has the capacity to limit his opportunities contingent on at least giving defensive effort. I don't know how bad a try-hard-max-effort Nwoku might still be defensively, maybe relatively unplayable. But Bud ought to be able to leverage him to at least give good effort, as Forbes always did.

[Sigra]

MD and PP are like good cop and bad cop

Great moderator job. PP is doing fine job. If we are all happy there is less discusion