2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[LoveMyRaps]

Dragic for Satoransky + Pels 2022 1st round pick (lottery protected)/Lakers 2022 1st round pick

[alienchild]

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[c3luong]

I agree with you; that is how we've always operated.

But as a franchise thats not FA destination, the only way we move into contention is through trades or draft.

If you're not willing to trade your valuable vets, then you're going to be drafting in the 20s. Now Masai is a hell of a drafter... probably does better than any other exec at that range and you're seeing right now how far even that level scouting gets you.

Even that big deal that landed us Kawhi Leonard, (which is probably the cheapest an MVP candidate was ever traded for that resulted in an unprecedented end) still required an allstar, and a top 10 pick. The follow up deal that pushed us over the edge (Gasol) required a Top 5 pick.

So unless the plan is to wait year after year to draft and develop a DeRozan/Val level talent in the 20s, is it not more efficient, expedient and less frustrating for everyone involved to just spend a few seasons at the bottom?

Yeah, there's no way building a team the way that Masai likes to do it would ever result in winning a championship in a city like Toronto. My bad.

Thats not what I said. If you don't have an intelligent response, don't respond at all.

Yes it is. Please read your own post.

[c3luong]

The point is that rebuilding Philly style is just not an option for us. It's fine to talk about a fantasy land where we get in the lottery 5 seasons in a row, but reality is that we've shown that retooling can get us a championship faster, more efficiently, and profitably than rebuilding.

[DangerZone13]

I read somewhere NO ended up creating a 17M TPE with their moves this offseason, still haven't resigned Hart, and Graham isn't much of a shooter. Seems they could use Dragic for more than vet leadership. What could they sweeten with?

[youreachiteach]

Probably Val and NAW for Dragic and a protected first?

[Rapsfan07]

Yeah, there's no way building a team the way that Masai likes to do it would ever result in winning a championship in a city like Toronto. My bad.

Thats not what I said. If you don't have an intelligent response, don't respond at all.

Yes it is. Please read your own post.

No I did not. You obviously did not read my post.

[Raptorfan2012]

I think we should look at a sign and trade involving Boucher for Lauri Markkenan. With Precious and Barnes manning the D off the bench, we could afford having a pure scorer. I doubt Boucher will be back next season anyways.

[Rapsfan07]

I think we should look at a sign and trade involving Boucher for Lauri Markkenan. With Precious and Barnes manning the D off the bench, we could afford having a pure scorer. I doubt Boucher will be back next season anyways.

Yeah I'd like that.

The only issue is I don't think anyone has capspace to sign him outright, which means he'd be signing for the full MLE at most.

If a team can have Markkanen at the MLE, why would they swap him for Boucher? Would Markkanen even sign a full MLE offer? Seems to me he might prefer a one year deal where he proves himself.

Then again, the long term commitment might be a more attractive option if there are questions about his health.

But hey, if someone wants to make that swap, I would do it.

[StopitLeo]

I think we should look at a sign and trade involving Boucher for Lauri Markkenan. With Precious and Barnes manning the D off the bench, we could afford having a pure scorer. I doubt Boucher will be back next season anyways.

Yeah I'd like that.

The only issue is I don't think anyone has capspace to sign him outright, which means he'd be signing for the full MLE at most.

If a team can have Markkanen at the MLE, why would they swap him for Boucher? Would Markkanen even sign a full MLE offer? Seems to me he might prefer a one year deal where he proves himself.

Then again, the long term commitment might be a more attractive option if there are questions about his health.

But hey, if someone wants to make that swap, I would do it.

If Markkanen accepts his qualifying offer (around $9M) then he and Boucher can be traded straight up. I’m torn on whether this would be a good move or not.

[Rapsfan07]

I think we should look at a sign and trade involving Boucher for Lauri Markkenan. With Precious and Barnes manning the D off the bench, we could afford having a pure scorer. I doubt Boucher will be back next season anyways.

Yeah I'd like that.

The only issue is I don't think anyone has capspace to sign him outright, which means he'd be signing for the full MLE at most.

If a team can have Markkanen at the MLE, why would they swap him for Boucher? Would Markkanen even sign a full MLE offer? Seems to me he might prefer a one year deal where he proves himself.

Then again, the long term commitment might be a more attractive option if there are questions about his health.

But hey, if someone wants to make that swap, I would do it.

If Markkanen accepts his qualifying offer (around $9M) then he and Boucher can be traded straight up. I’m torn on whether this would be a good move or not.

That's right about where the MLE starts anyway.

I'd do it. We're paying someone next year - either Boucher or Markkanen and I have more faith in Markkanen's potential than I do Boucher's.

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Does Woj not understand the hypocrisy in all of this? He first broke the signing like 24 hrs before free agency began and now he is reporting the tampering investigation that is likely directly caused by his loose lips...wtf.

[StopitLeo]

OG drafted at #5 on a rebuilding team structured around collecting picks doesnt necessarily turn into the player he is today.

Something people forget about OG is that he had Alex McKechnie, the best in the business, helping him rehab from ACL surgery. After seeing what he did with Kawhi, I’m sure this wasn’t insignificant.

[10giz]

How about:

TOR trades: Siakam + Dragic + Boucher

GSW trades: Wiggins + Wiseman + Kuminga + Moody + 2023 1st

Dragic would actually be pretty nice there.

[Bruin]

How about:

TOR trades: Siakam + Dragic + Boucher

GSW trades: Wiggins + Wiseman + Kuminga + Moody + 2023 1st

Dragic would actually be pretty nice there.

Warriors would need to throw in another 1st if they want Boucher included

[10giz]

How about:

TOR trades: Siakam + Dragic + Boucher

GSW trades: Wiggins + Wiseman + Kuminga + Moody + 2023 1st

Dragic would actually be pretty nice there.

Warriors would need to throw in another 1st if they want Boucher included

I don't really care at that point. Boucher is expiring and I'd be happy to send him there to create playing time for our youth.

The key to this trade, and why I want it so bad, in 2 years when Wiggins, FVV and Trent expire, we would have Barnes, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Flynn and Precious all still on their rookie deals with OG locked in. Nobody would need an extension that summer so we'd basically be able to freely use our cap room. That's not even taking into account whatever other rookies we may add over the next 2 years.

FVV - Flynn
Trent - Moody
Wiggins - Kuminga
OG - Barnes
Birch - Wiseman - Precious

[c3luong]

If we trade away Siakam we are a lottery team thus Boucher doesn't matter. This is actually a decent trade, I think it hinges on whether or not we think Kuminga / Moody are worth anything.

[10giz]

If we trade away Siakam we are a lottery team thus Boucher doesn't matter. This is actually a decent trade, I think it hinges on whether or not we think Kuminga / Moody are worth anything.

That's the entire point. Instead of tanking for years like other teams do, we basically add 5 1st round players in one offseason.

Spend the year developing these guys...Add another top 5 pick in a draft loaded at the top.

If 2 of Barnes, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody and Precious hit, we're golden. I wouldn't be surprised if all turn into good rotation players with our coaching and development.

The defensive potential though...might be unprecedented with that team.

MOST of all, we can do in 1 offseason what other teams spend years doing. Adding 5 1st round picks in one summer, all of which have a tangible potential as rotation players if not much more.

[c3luong]

If we trade away Siakam we are a lottery team thus Boucher doesn't matter. This is actually a decent trade, I think it hinges on whether or not we think Kuminga / Moody are worth anything.

That's the entire point. Instead of tanking for years like other teams do, we basically add 5 1st round players in one offseason.

Spend the year developing these guys...Add another top 5 pick in a draft loaded at the top.

If 2 of Barnes, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody and Precious hit, we're golden. I wouldn't be surprised if all turn into good rotation players with our coaching and development.

The defensive potential though...might be unprecedented with that team.

MOST of all, we can do in 1 offseason what other teams spend years doing. Adding 5 1st round picks in one summer, all of which have a tangible potential as rotation players if not much more.

Yeah, but no guarantees that Masai thinks any of those players are good. Like it's not worth it to get 5 random scrubs, they have to be actually good.

[10giz]

If we trade away Siakam we are a lottery team thus Boucher doesn't matter. This is actually a decent trade, I think it hinges on whether or not we think Kuminga / Moody are worth anything.

That's the entire point. Instead of tanking for years like other teams do, we basically add 5 1st round players in one offseason.

Spend the year developing these guys...Add another top 5 pick in a draft loaded at the top.

If 2 of Barnes, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody and Precious hit, we're golden. I wouldn't be surprised if all turn into good rotation players with our coaching and development.

The defensive potential though...might be unprecedented with that team.

MOST of all, we can do in 1 offseason what other teams spend years doing. Adding 5 1st round picks in one summer, all of which have a tangible potential as rotation players if not much more.

Yeah, but no guarantees that Masai thinks any of those players are good. Like it's not worth it to get 5 random scrubs, they have to be actually good.

If they were 5 random scrubs, I'd definitely agree. It's 3 top 7 picks, a lottery pick and a 20th overall though.

Kuminga and Moody are excellent prospects. I'd have no doubt we can mold them into quality role players at worst. Wiseman, who knows but I'd gladly take the chance on him. Birch went from literal afterthought to solid C almost as soon as he got here.

These are all guys that fit the mold of athletic, long with high defensive potential. Kuminga especially.

The sheer idea of OG, Barnes and Kuminga defensively could be something that's never been seen before. Sign me up.