Build a Franchise- Season 5 Discussion (Free Agency Edition)- Free Agency schedule on page 82

[2010]

It'll be interesting to see how this works. Overall seems ok for a small free agent class but not sure this is a great solution for a large free agent class to be honest. Seems like the free agency period is squeezed into like a day or 2 window, when I think it should be a longer process.

yeah it does feel like its more of a send you best and final early and hope a pray. If you lose out you basically are blind in throwing out offers that are ending soon for your pivoted targets. But it is what it is and people are very concerned about bad faith bids. I would prefer more info then less.

But lets give it a go.

Yea, it seems like much more work and more complicated for all too. Everyone is just scared of hoffa.

Scared is a very strong word. Considering nobody has a bigger issue with the weirdo than me, Ima give you time to clarify before I get in my bag.

[mpharris36]

I’m just hoping most of y’all get drunk Saturday night the 21st, and don’t wake up until 2pm Sunday to be quite honest.

my man!

[3toheadmelo]

There’s really nothing wrong with this system unless you tryna throw in bad faith bids. If bish didn’t reply to you then that means obviously the bid wasn’t good enough and you just have to move on.

[mpharris36]

There’s really nothing wrong with this system unless you tryna throw in bad faith bids. If bish didn’t reply to you then that means obviously the bid wasn’t good enough and you just have to move on.

there is nothing stopping someone from still throwing in high priced 1 year blind bids to raise prices on players. They can still do it totally anonymously now.

I don't see it has blind faith bidding if you have two targets and one target is trending at going over $300 and the other target is going for around $150 and you want to pivot from the guy you were bidding on getting to high to them pivoting for a slightly cheaper option you actually want. That doesn't mean its in bad faith.

Teams that have a lot of roster spots will have a tough time managing it.

[2010]

I’m good wit the new system. I am sure my gripes didn’t factor into what was to be rolled out but the byproduct of the process to whittle down the amount of inquiries via PM has resulted in a solution to bad faith bidding and dudes who were content to just sit back and survey the landscape, gather info, then make decisions from there.

The previous system rewarded reactive GMing. This new system rewards proactive GMing.

[HerSports85]

I think teams with bird rights on players should be notified rather they’re in the $10 range or not.

Other than that, I like the system.

[bishnykfan]

There’s really nothing wrong with this system unless you tryna throw in bad faith bids. If bish didn’t reply to you then that means obviously the bid wasn’t good enough and you just have to move on.

there is nothing stopping someone from still throwing in high priced 1 year blind bids to raise prices on players. They can still do it totally anonymously now.

I don't see it has blind faith bidding if you have two targets and one target is trending at going over $300 and the other target is going for around $150 and you want to pivot from the guy you were bidding on getting to high to them pivoting for a slightly cheaper option you actually want. That doesn't mean its in bad faith.

Teams that have a lot of roster spots will have a tough time managing it.

Teams can still bid on multiple players. If a team has $300 in cap space and they see their bid on player A going towards $300 after the first couple of rounds of bidding, they can get out and make a bid on player B as long as they aren't the high bid on A. That part is no different then the last couple of years. Only difference now is that there won't be 100's of PM's inquiring about player costs. Come with a decent bid and you will get a response. It only takes one team to beat a high bid to completely restart that clock and buy the other teams more time.

Obviously you know how I feel about the spreadsheet and the way that would've made things easier and more transparent. But considering the backlash against it, this is what it is. We couldn't go on the way we were beyond this year. This system is flawed for sure but next years FA class is basically like starting over with our initial draft. Only difference was in our initial draft we released players in waves. Without doing that again, there is no perfect solution.

[2010]

There’s really nothing wrong with this system unless you tryna throw in bad faith bids. If bish didn’t reply to you then that means obviously the bid wasn’t good enough and you just have to move on.

there is nothing stopping someone from still throwing in high priced 1 year blind bids to raise prices on players. They can still do it totally anonymously now.

You do that and it’s a dangerous game as you may be left holding a high priced bag. It’s essentially cutting your nose to spite your face. Unless of course, you don’t mind paying the player that salary if you end up winning the bid. And if that were the case, it wouldn’t equate to bad faith bidding.

Bad faith bidding is when you don’t want the player. You just want your GM counterpart to pay a higher price point.

[mpharris36]

I’m good wit the new system. I am sure my gripes didn’t factor into what was to be rolled out but the byproduct of the process to whittle down the amount of inquiries via PM has resulted in a solution to bad faith bidding and dudes who were content to just sit back and survey the landscape, gather info, then make decisions from there.

The previous system rewarded reactive GMing. This new system rewards proactive GMing.

I respect it. And totally willing to give it a shot.

We chatted and you know my concerns to the fact that when you pivot all players aren't the same so just sending a list of 30 offers and letting the chips fall where they way is proactive but a lot of people like to execute a plan. If this FA is a better shooter then driver maybe I want to pair him with a different player .

If I can only get him then maybe these two slightly cheaper guys might be a better package deal. Then splurging just on one guy.

You know me I would love all the information I can get to make the best decision if I have to handle someone trying to bad faith bid me I would rather know that publicly from the jump then someone operating in the shadows.

I'm not arguing the fairness because everyone is on the same playing field. My concern comes down to I don't know if every team will have enough info to make the best decision for there team which is all I'm worried about. Especially in a future year with potentially 10+ roster spots up for grabs for a ton of teams.

[Deeeez Knicks]

yeah it does feel like its more of a send you best and final early and hope a pray. If you lose out you basically are blind in throwing out offers that are ending soon for your pivoted targets. But it is what it is and people are very concerned about bad faith bids. I would prefer more info then less.

But lets give it a go.

Yea, it seems like much more work and more complicated for all too. Everyone is just scared of hoffa.

Scared is a very strong word. Considering nobody has a bigger issue with the weirdo than me, Ima give you time to clarify before I get in my bag.

I know you have legit issues. But what reason would people be against a spreadsheet or something like that?

This system is just much more restrictive, which I dont think is good. Out of all the options just feels like this is the worst one. Your basically screwed if you can't get your bids in during these certain windows

[mpharris36]

There’s really nothing wrong with this system unless you tryna throw in bad faith bids. If bish didn’t reply to you then that means obviously the bid wasn’t good enough and you just have to move on.

there is nothing stopping someone from still throwing in high priced 1 year blind bids to raise prices on players. They can still do it totally anonymously now.

I don't see it has blind faith bidding if you have two targets and one target is trending at going over $300 and the other target is going for around $150 and you want to pivot from the guy you were bidding on getting to high to them pivoting for a slightly cheaper option you actually want. That doesn't mean its in bad faith.

Teams that have a lot of roster spots will have a tough time managing it.

Teams can still bid on multiple players. If a team has $300 in cap space and they see their bid on player A going towards $300 after the first couple of rounds of bidding, they can get out and make a bid on player B as long as they aren't the high bid on A. That part is no different then the last couple of years. Only difference now is that there won't be 100's of PM's inquiring about player costs. Come with a decent bid and you will get a response. It only takes one team to beat a high bid to completely restart that clock and buy the other teams more time.

Obviously you know how I feel about the spreadsheet and the way that would've made things easier and more transparent. But considering the backlash against it, this is what it is. We couldn't go on the way we were beyond this year. This system is flawed for sure but next years FA class is basically like starting over with our initial draft. Only difference was in our initial draft we released players in waves. Without doing that again, there is no perfect solution.

I totally get needed you to remove inquiries so that is not my concern. But every FA has a different skill set a different potential position a different need to pair with.

What I don't get is everyone is potentially worried about "bad faith" bids but its not bad faith for saying I think this guy is getting too expensive but if I can't get him what other options do I have and where do I start.

"decent bid" has so many levels to it. Its totally subjective. But I guess that is the game we will have to play to keep things private. I'm just saying imagine next year having to fill out a 12 man roster via FA its not that easy to just send a list of 55 guys to you and hoping you are leading in the right guys that all fit together. It is very restrictive to GM's just trying to get info to properly build out a roster.

[2010]

I’m good wit the new system. I am sure my gripes didn’t factor into what was to be rolled out but the byproduct of the process to whittle down the amount of inquiries via PM has resulted in a solution to bad faith bidding and dudes who were content to just sit back and survey the landscape, gather info, then make decisions from there.

The previous system rewarded reactive GMing. This new system rewards proactive GMing.

I respect it. And totally willing to give it a shot.

We chatted and you know my concerns to the fact that when you pivot all players aren't the same so just sending a list of 30 offers and letting the chips fall where they way is proactive but a lot of people like to execute a plan. If this FA is a better shooter then driver maybe I want to pair him with a different player .

If I can only get him then maybe these two slightly cheaper guys might be a better package deal. Then splurging just on one guy.

You know me I would love all the information I can get to make the best decision if I have to handle someone trying to bad faith bid me I would rather know that publicly from the jump then someone operating in the shadows.

I'm not arguing the fairness because everyone is on the same playing field. My concern comes down to I don't know if every team will have enough info to make the best decision for there team which is all I'm worried about. Especially in a future year with potentially 10+ roster spots up for grabs for a ton of teams.

My thing is this, once it became clear that public spreadsheet (the one true and ONLY transparent system) would not be taken seriously as an option, then to me, this is the next best thing.

It’s either everything out in the open with full transparency, or I want everything in the shadows.

But private spreadsheet, to me, was like a half-ass approach with holes in the system which could be exploited creating an unlevel playing field.

Public spreadsheet and this new system at least accomplishes a level playing field and cuts out unnecessary shenanigans.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Who here has never made a low ball offer? If you say no I dont believe you

[2010]

Yea, it seems like much more work and more complicated for all too. Everyone is just scared of hoffa.

Scared is a very strong word. Considering nobody has a bigger issue with the weirdo than me, Ima give you time to clarify before I get in my bag.

I know you have legit issues. But what reason would people be against a spreadsheet or something like that?

This system is just much more restrictive, which I dont think is good. Out of all the options just feels like this is the worst one. Your basically screwed if you can't get your bids in during these certain windows

See me reply above to Mpharris

[NewEra]

If FA bargains had a jersey now would be a good time to retire it.

[mpharris36]

I’m good wit the new system. I am sure my gripes didn’t factor into what was to be rolled out but the byproduct of the process to whittle down the amount of inquiries via PM has resulted in a solution to bad faith bidding and dudes who were content to just sit back and survey the landscape, gather info, then make decisions from there.

The previous system rewarded reactive GMing. This new system rewards proactive GMing.

I respect it. And totally willing to give it a shot.

We chatted and you know my concerns to the fact that when you pivot all players aren't the same so just sending a list of 30 offers and letting the chips fall where they way is proactive but a lot of people like to execute a plan. If this FA is a better shooter then driver maybe I want to pair him with a different player .

If I can only get him then maybe these two slightly cheaper guys might be a better package deal. Then splurging just on one guy.

You know me I would love all the information I can get to make the best decision if I have to handle someone trying to bad faith bid me I would rather know that publicly from the jump then someone operating in the shadows.

I'm not arguing the fairness because everyone is on the same playing field. My concern comes down to I don't know if every team will have enough info to make the best decision for there team which is all I'm worried about. Especially in a future year with potentially 10+ roster spots up for grabs for a ton of teams.

My thing is this, once it became clear that public spreadsheet (one true and ONLY transparent system) would not be taken seriously as an option, then to me, this is the next best thing.

It’s either everything out in the open with full transparency, or I want everything in the shadows.

But private spreadsheet, to me, was like a half-ass approach with holes in the system which could be exploited creating an unlevel playing field.

Public spreadsheet and this new system at least accomplishes a level playing field and cuts out unnecessary shenanigans.

I 100% agree with that. My hope that after this FA people lean to the public spreadsheet everyone on the same playing field. I know it changes FA but that at least gives me all the information I need to build my team and if I'm worried about shenanigans I can address it directly with them publicly or let them hold the bag for a player I know they don't want and tie up there money.

[3toheadmelo]

As 2010 said I am also cool with a public spread sheet. But private, nah. So since we going with private this is the best way.

[2010]

I respect it. And totally willing to give it a shot.

We chatted and you know my concerns to the fact that when you pivot all players aren't the same so just sending a list of 30 offers and letting the chips fall where they way is proactive but a lot of people like to execute a plan. If this FA is a better shooter then driver maybe I want to pair him with a different player .

If I can only get him then maybe these two slightly cheaper guys might be a better package deal. Then splurging just on one guy.

You know me I would love all the information I can get to make the best decision if I have to handle someone trying to bad faith bid me I would rather know that publicly from the jump then someone operating in the shadows.

I'm not arguing the fairness because everyone is on the same playing field. My concern comes down to I don't know if every team will have enough info to make the best decision for there team which is all I'm worried about. Especially in a future year with potentially 10+ roster spots up for grabs for a ton of teams.

My thing is this, once it became clear that public spreadsheet (one true and ONLY transparent system) would not be taken seriously as an option, then to me, this is the next best thing.

It’s either everything out in the open with full transparency, or I want everything in the shadows.

But private spreadsheet, to me, was like a half-ass approach with holes in the system which could be exploited creating an unlevel playing field.

Public spreadsheet and this new system at least accomplishes a level playing field and cuts out unnecessary shenanigans.

I 100% agree with that. My hope that after this FA people lean to the public spreadsheet everyone on the same playing field. I know it changes FA but that at least gives me all the information I need to build my team and if I'm worried about shenanigans I can address it directly with them publicly or let them hold the bag for a player I know they don't want and tie up there money.

Bingo!

[bishnykfan]

Yea, it seems like much more work and more complicated for all too. Everyone is just scared of hoffa.

Scared is a very strong word. Considering nobody has a bigger issue with the weirdo than me, Ima give you time to clarify before I get in my bag.

I know you have legit issues. But what reason would people be against a spreadsheet or something like that?

This system is just much more restrictive, which I dont think is good. Out of all the options just feels like this is the worst one. Your basically screwed if you can't get your bids in during these certain windows

I'm not disagreeing with you. This was definitely not my first choice but the timing is really no different then past years. Actually opens things up a bit. If you can't be online from 6-7, you can still bid on players at 8, 10 and 12 before the earliest they will sign with anyone. If you can't be online at all in the AM then nothing really is different then the old system where players could conceivably have signed starting at 12PM. This hopefully opens things up for people as far as timing and placing bids goes.

[mpharris36]

As 2010 said I am also cool with a public spread sheet. But private, nah. So since we going with private this is the best way.

Thats where my direction was leaning too. If I'm being restricted to two options.

Private even playing field but extremely restrictive

Public info everything out there I can have all the info I need

I choose public, I know it takes some suspense away but I think currently its way to restricting to build a team. But willing to give this a shot for this offseason.