Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST

[2010]

Didn't really watch the parts of the game were Grimes was playing, but apparently he was 2-8 from three and had 9 rebounds. Guys on KFTV were saying that he is doing things that don't show up in the stat sheet but he was active and defending . So maybe I was wrong about him being passive....

2-8 isn't good but at least he had the confidence to keep shooting. Those shots may very well start to fall as he gets more confident...

He's definitely not the sexy (High ceiling) pick but could end up being effective in his role. Seems like the FO is risk averse even if its low risk high potential..."Fit"s seems to have a high priority.

Despite the shooting issues, he actually showed a couple of flashes for the first time. We will just have to wait and see. Some here are evaluating these guys like they were top 5 picks in the drafts and everything should click immediately. Not that way it works.

Not the first time though. He was flashing in the playoffs and much of the late regular season.

KG he's talking about Grimes not Obi.

[islanders11040]

Some of you guys want to tank every year and obsess over the draft but never expect any busts. You really think we was gonna draft 4 superstars?

Accept your busts its part of drafting!

im starting to get to the mentality that if 1 of our draft picks becomes a good player, we did ok drafting. Mcbride can be that player with a sims bonus/gravy if he contributes at all

[prophet_of_rage]

Some of you guys want to tank every year and obsess over the draft but never expect any busts. You really think we was gonna draft 4 superstars?

Accept your busts its part of drafting!

im starting to get to the mentality that if 1 of our draft picks becomes a good player, we did ok drafting. Mcbride can be that player with a sims bonus/gravy if he contributes at all

1 draft pick panning out is very good.

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[Zenzibar]

You can say whatever makes you feel better but it doesn’t change the fact that the dude is trash

I was probably one of the more vocal antagonists of that pick (#58) however if the Knicks are looking at the tools and think they can make a player, even if his upside is Chris Anderson, then go for it. Would have preferred Vren, but watching SL, we would have buried him with the rest of the Euro's on the bench.

With Sims physique, size, athleticism, he should have been a top 15 pick. That he was picked #58 (basically almost not picked at all) tells you where the league sees his abilities at presently.

But teams passed on Mitch as well, many other good ones go undrafted. Teams fk up all the time especially that low. Knicks are doing their homework.

[Zenzibar]

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[guardplay320]

If Grimes shots went in we would be singing a different tune sample size is just too small

3 summer games. Judging the future of any of these guys at this point is ridiculous. If we judged Toppin on the majority of his first full season last year, we would say he should not even be in the league. But at the end of last year and now in some of the summer games, we are starting to see the signs of a player starting to put his athletic skill together with a bit better understanding of the game at this next level. Don't think any of our rookies will get too much play yet anyway this year. The one with the best opportunity is ironically Sims due to the repeated injury issues with Mitch and Noel.

3 summer games or 3 seasons, time is relative

4, although 2020 was a bizarre season so who is keeping count (not that we are referring to anyone specific ) You can at least tell a bit more in 3 seasons. 3 games tells you notta.

[nykballa2k4]

its better for kids to play. and it's not like we're contending for anything that they shouldn't.

Look it’s easy to say that now during the off-season while butts aren’t packing seats at the Garden — or other ridiculous out-of-touch statements like you and Chanel calling for a Randle trade — but back in reality fans, the media, basically the entire world will go absolutely apesh*t nuts with positivity for the Knicks if/when Thibs veteran squad outworks opponents for so-called “meaningless” regular season wins.

Prepare yourself, Sham, for the sheer euphoria you’ll feel when we beat Cleveland on a random Tuesday in December because Thibs played Randle, Rose and Kemba 40 minutes each.

this made me laugh

https://www.nba.com/summer-league/2021/vegas/player-stats
Sort for MPG...
Toppin and IQ 1 and 2 lol. Grimes is 4.

[Clyde_Style]

We have Randle and Obi. We were never taking Jalen Johnson. I don’t even know why people are complaining about him

You don't fit-pick when you need talent. You draft BPA and figure the rest out later. At worst, if/when the player proves his talent is legit you have a trade asset.

If a talent is so great you have to go BPA then you do it

What you don’t do is pick BPA if they are going to be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart and never play, thereby wasting whatever supposed talent they have

After the top 10, saying there is a transcendent talent who will leapfrog everyone ahead of them on the depth chart is simple unrealistic

So yeah, picking players who will play does mean something

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Oh please Grimes looks better than some teams lotto picks. Also this is the same convo y'all were having about Obi last year and dude looks better than a lot of lotto picks from last year.

Which lotto pick does Grimes look better than?

Wagner, Moody, Zaire. Then other guys like Tre Mann who haven't done anything worth talking about either.

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He damn sure doesn't look better than Ziare, he's shooting 53% from the field and 50% from three while Grimes is at 27%, almost 2x the percentage. Quentin is playing 34mpg, more than all of the guys you named (Moody, Williams, Franz play 24-25mpg, Mann plays 28), he's getting more opportunities than those guys and only manages to outscore Franz by .2ppg.

It's just summer league, but he looks horrible and he wont be getting 34mpg with the main roster, and we were told he was NBA ready. Where will his playing time come from, that was really the point of my initial post, if you're a coach and you have McBride and Grimes, and you can slot Deuce in at the 2, why would you play Grimes over him based on what we're seeing right now.

[K_ick_God]

Despite the shooting issues, he actually showed a couple of flashes for the first time. We will just have to wait and see. Some here are evaluating these guys like they were top 5 picks in the drafts and everything should click immediately. Not that way it works.

Not the first time though. He was flashing in the playoffs and much of the late regular season.

KG he's talking about Grimes not Obi.

My bad. Grimes’ release is really good. Those guys tend to come around.

[DOT]

I'm now hoping Grimes can at least become a Courtney Lee type player.

[F N 11]

Some of the names you’re calling out are dudes who did well in SL then stunk it up in the big league. That doesn’t exactly bode well for Grimes who sucks in SL. One could argue he will do worse when playing against the real big boys.

His defense has been mediocre at best and he is smaller than advertised so I don’t even think he will be able to guard SFs.

Im just saying he doesn't look lost, his shot is simply not draining at a high clip and they all look on line. A bunch of young stud didnt shoot too well in SL and makes it in the NBA while guys light it up dont always make it to nba so lets just relax. he led his team to final 4 hes not a a bum. If he came in not being a shooter, I would be worried.

I admit the shots might start to fall cuz the form looks pure. But what else can he do? I see a dude out there who is invisible if his 3 ain’t dropping. His defense is men. His arms are alligator. He shorter than advertised. His movement isn’t fluid. His strides are short. His handle is terrible. His demeanor isn’t that of a confident guy (he’s playing shook). These are all terrible signs. There way better options on the board. This is another bad pick that people are tryna blindly justify. If your only skill is shooting, you better be able to defend meaningfully and have some good measurements. This cat doesn’t even cause turnovers.

He had 9 rebounds and 2 assist and team high plus minus. He was helping us break the zone like nothing because he has some handle. Chill out bro its early.

[F N 11]

oppposing PG payton pritchard went for 21, 12, and 8 and was a + 34 against Bones who was a -19 in 25 mins don't fall for this one either folks

Let me guess, Hyland trash now? People gotta look at the all around game and what summer league is for. We already won, all the players we care about look solid and IQ and Obi did what he was supposed to do.

[DOT]

Im just saying he doesn't look lost, his shot is simply not draining at a high clip and they all look on line. A bunch of young stud didnt shoot too well in SL and makes it in the NBA while guys light it up dont always make it to nba so lets just relax. he led his team to final 4 hes not a a bum. If he came in not being a shooter, I would be worried.

I admit the shots might start to fall cuz the form looks pure. But what else can he do? I see a dude out there who is invisible if his 3 ain’t dropping. His defense is men. His arms are alligator. He shorter than advertised. His movement isn’t fluid. His strides are short. His handle is terrible. His demeanor isn’t that of a confident guy (he’s playing shook). These are all terrible signs. There way better options on the board. This is another bad pick that people are tryna blindly justify. If your only skill is shooting, you better be able to defend meaningfully and have some good measurements. This cat doesn’t even cause turnovers.

He had 9 rebounds and 2 assist and team high plus minus. He was helping us break the zone like nothing because he has some handle. Chill out bro its early.

Yeah guys, chill out

I think Q G 6 makes some good points.

[moocow007]

Some of you guys want to tank every year and obsess over the draft but never expect any busts. You really think we was gonna draft 4 superstars?

Accept your busts its part of drafting!

I definitely don't want to tank every year. And it's not about busts. It's about questioning drafting some guys and passing on other guys and not just blindly defending anyone that is drafted by the Knicks.

[prophet_of_rage]

Some of you guys want to tank every year and obsess over the draft but never expect any busts. You really think we was gonna draft 4 superstars?

Accept your busts its part of drafting!

I definitely don't want to tank every year. And it's not about busts. It's about questioning drafting some guys and passing on other guys and not just blindly defending anyone that is drafted by the Knicks.

There will always be questions.

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[HEZI]

Which lotto pick does Grimes look better than?

Wagner, Moody, Zaire. Then other guys like Tre Mann who haven't done anything worth talking about either.

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He damn sure doesn't look better than Ziare, he's shooting 53% from the field and 50% from three while Grimes is at 27%, almost 2x the percentage. Quentin is playing 34mpg, more than all of the guys you named (Moody, Williams, Franz play 24-25mpg, Mann plays 28), he's getting more opportunities than those guys and only manages to outscore Franz by .2ppg.

It's just summer league, but he looks horrible and he wont be getting 34mpg with the main roster, and we were told he was NBA ready. Where will his playing time come from, that was really the point of my initial post, if you're a coach and you have McBride and Grimes, and you can slot Deuce in at the 2, why would you play Grimes over him based on what we're seeing right now.

He got destroyed last night. If that’s what looking good looks like to you then alright. He got owned by these guys

https://youtu.be/F0OcPJZX8OU

Watch on YouTube

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Wagner, Moody, Zaire. Then other guys like Tre Mann who haven't done anything worth talking about either.

Watch on YouTube

He damn sure doesn't look better than Ziare, he's shooting 53% from the field and 50% from three while Grimes is at 27%, almost 2x the percentage. Quentin is playing 34mpg, more than all of the guys you named (Moody, Williams, Franz play 24-25mpg, Mann plays 28), he's getting more opportunities than those guys and only manages to outscore Franz by .2ppg.

It's just summer league, but he looks horrible and he wont be getting 34mpg with the main roster, and we were told he was NBA ready. Where will his playing time come from, that was really the point of my initial post, if you're a coach and you have McBride and Grimes, and you can slot Deuce in at the 2, why would you play Grimes over him based on what we're seeing right now.

He got destroyed last night. If that’s what looking good looks like to you then alright. He got owned by these guys

https://youtu.be/F0OcPJZX8OU

Watch on YouTube

A 19 year old stinks on defense? Shocking

[robillionaire]

oppposing PG payton pritchard went for 21, 12, and 8 and was a + 34 against Bones who was a -19 in 25 mins don't fall for this one either folks

Let me guess, Hyland trash now? People gotta look at the all around game and what summer league is for. We already won, all the players we care about look solid and IQ and Obi did what he was supposed to do.

that's not good enough. others must fail

[NoDopeOnSundays]

oppposing PG payton pritchard went for 21, 12, and 8 and was a + 34 against Bones who was a -19 in 25 mins don't fall for this one either folks

Let me guess, Hyland trash now? People gotta look at the all around game and what summer league is for. We already won, all the players we care about look solid and IQ and Obi did what he was supposed to do.

that's not good enough. others must fail

This is correct if they're in our conference.