Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[LAL1947]

Looking at the MEM Grizzlies roster... they have a surplus in some positions.
Wonder if the Mavs FO is looking to see if there's any good ones who they could grab or trade for.

PG: Morant / Bledsoe / Melton / Tyus
SG: Brooks / Bane / Konchar / Merrill
SF: Kyle / Ziaire / Winslow
PF: Jackson / Clarke / Tillman / Aldama
C: Adams /

Bane would be nice but they probably won't entertain a trade though.

Santi Aldama: 6'11", 20 years, stretch 4-5, drafted #30. Seems smart but needs time in the weight room.
Since he is a rookie and too raw, maybe MEM is open to trading him for one of the Mavs' centers?
- WCS for Aldama + Merrill or Konchar?
- Moses Brown for Aldama straight up?

[arkuo]

Problem in Mavs is not only lack of Pgs, but total lack of handle and creativity from Sf to C position and even guards are not able to create much. That's why players like Rubio or Dragic would have been huge. Coach cannot do much, if 70% of the team doesn't have even basic handle. And in those 30% you have mostly useless Burke and Terry. From players that will have decent playing time, you have only Luka, Brunson and THJ. Both Brunson and THJ being much better with Luka on the court. So finding backup Pg is the most important thing for Mavs.

We'll find out with a new coach and staff. They haven't played a single game yet, so we're about to find out.

We will, but we can guess with pretty good chances what will happen. More or less all good teams have multiple creators and ball handlers already in starting lineup. Mavs second best is Brunson. It doesn't look exactly like the fair situation. Others don't have Luka, so that of course help, but if Luka goes down for whatever reason, it will be brutal.

The fair assumption is the same James Harden type of basketball will be played. A similar situation with the Olympics is a good gauge. Luka will wow people with impressive stats in the regular season but will fall short in the playoffs the same way they did with France and Australia.

The Harden type of basketball is good for regular season wins. But teams lock up and adjust in a 7 game series. which makes it not suitable for the playoffs. This is where getting a Kyle Lowry would have been nice. But he had other plans in South Beach.

[Archx]

I don't get it... What's the obsession on this board with big guys? Mavs have a ton of stretch wings and centers.. Do people really not understand that they need shot creators?

The fair assumption is the same James Harden type of basketball will be played. A similar situation with the Olympics is a good gauge. Luka will wow people with impressive stats in the regular season but will fall short in the playoffs the same way they did with France and Australia.

Slovenia failed because Luka had no legs anymore. He was dead tired, playing heavy minutes and dragging his feet up and down. Same thing happened in the playoffs in 4th Q's. Kawhi was able to relax for most of the game and then he just took over. France and Australia would fall if Luka was rested. Both nations had to bring their A game to stop him with multiple NBA players on their roster.

That's why it is important that Mavs get someone that can take the pressure off of Luka so that he's "fresh" at the end of the games.

[LAL1947]

I don't get it... What's the obsession on this board with big guys? Mavs have a ton of stretch wings and centers.. Do people really not understand that they need shot creators?

I think the impression is that the Mavs will get Dragic at some point this season.

Anyway, do you mean my suggestion about Santi Aldama? That's for the future, not the present.
Taking a punt on someone who could bust or do well. To keep as one of roster spots #11-15.
So if the Mavs end up trading Porzingis at some point, they'd still have another on the bench.

[arkuo]

Slovenia failed because Luka had no legs anymore. He was dead tired, playing heavy minutes and dragging his feet up and down. Same thing happened in the playoffs in 4th Q's. Kawhi was able to relax for most of the game and then he just took over. France and Australia would fall if Luka was rested. Both nations had to bring their A game to stop him with multiple NBA players on their roster.

That's why it is important that Mavs get someone that can take the pressure off of Luka so that he's "fresh" at the end of the games.

That's the point why a Harden type basketball doesn't work because it's predictable. ESPN covered this recently. The game plan was simple. Have Luka score 50 and shut everyone else down. He'll eventually run out of gas.

My assumption is that Luka improvised a lot of the offense last season. He needs to trust his teammates more this year (even if it results in some missed shots) because long term it helps the others develop their games too. One step back, two steps forward. It's a similar situation with Prepelic going for a layup against Nic Batum. A more experienced player would know Batum would catch on to that, so your experience would tell you to try a different shot. Without that experience, a player would not learn and so fourth. There is only so much you can learn from practice. Real game experience is different.

[Bob8]

We'll find out with a new coach and staff. They haven't played a single game yet, so we're about to find out.

We will, but we can guess with pretty good chances what will happen. More or less all good teams have multiple creators and ball handlers already in starting lineup. Mavs second best is Brunson. It doesn't look exactly like the fair situation. Others don't have Luka, so that of course help, but if Luka goes down for whatever reason, it will be brutal.

The fair assumption is the same James Harden type of basketball will be played. A similar situation with the Olympics is a good gauge. Luka will wow people with impressive stats in the regular season but will fall short in the playoffs the same way they did with France and Australia.

The Harden type of basketball is good for regular season wins. But teams lock up and adjust in a 7 game series. which makes it not suitable for the playoffs. This is where getting a Kyle Lowry would have been nice. But he had other plans in South Beach.

Even Harden had much more help. With roster like Mavs have any other kind of basketball is impossible, if you want to make playoffs.

Luka was incredible in playoffs, 36/8/10 with 41% for 3 is out of this world, so I don't know what adjustments Clippers did to stop him. He played much better in playoffs than in RS.

Problem even wasn't some others struggling in offense, they have lost in D, playing with 2 towers, because KP couldn't guard a chair in the paint. Kp was brought and given a max because he supposedly was unicorn. Rim protecor and scorer. Unfortunately he wasn't either in this series. If for his scoring can partially be blamed others, his inability to defend is totally on him and unfortunately Mavs has lost because of that.

You're totally wrong with Slovenia. Slovenia was underdog even in qualifications. Lithuania played at home and has never missed Olympics, Slovenia never made Olympics. Slovenia won it pretty easily, Luka being incredible.
They have lost semis with block shot in last second. Luka having incredible 18 assists for Fiba standards. If Batum didn't provide help D in that action, Slovenia would have made the most incredible run in Olympic history. But even making semis is incredible success for 2 mio nation, which will very difficult to be repeated.

[arkuo]

You're totally wrong with Slovenia. Slovenia was underdog even in qualifications. Lithuania played at home and has never missed Olympics, Slovenia never made Olympics. Slovenia won it pretty easily, Luka being incredible.
They have lost semis with block shot in last second. Luka having incredible 18 assists for Fiba standards. If Batum didn't provide help D in that action, Slovenia would have made the most incredible run in Olympic history. But even making semis is incredible success for 2 mio nation, which will very difficult to be repeated.

Slovenia being great or not had nothing to do with my post.

What I said was about individual experience. And you have to agree that these can only be had on court. There can only be so much done in practice. You get real experience on court. Win or lose.

It will be the same in the NBA. The game plan is the same against Luka and Giannis. They will let Luka score all he wants and teams will shut down everyone else. Giannis learned to defer to Middleton at times and Middleton was in no way a finished product when he got to Milwaukee having bounced around in Detroit. But he developed into a reliable 2, it cost Milwaukee some games, sure, but it helped with his development. One step back, two steps forward.

To cut the long story short, the idea is to develop THJ into something useful other than just a 3 point shooter. You already sunk 70M dollars on him, might as well see what else he got. And you won't know what else he can do if all he is instructed to do is stand outside and wait for a pass. RIght? You gotta let them make mistakes at some point. It's a prcoess.

[Bob8]

You're totally wrong with Slovenia. Slovenia was underdog even in qualifications. Lithuania played at home and has never missed Olympics, Slovenia never made Olympics. Slovenia won it pretty easily, Luka being incredible.
They have lost semis with block shot in last second. Luka having incredible 18 assists for Fiba standards. If Batum didn't provide help D in that action, Slovenia would have made the most incredible run in Olympic history. But even making semis is incredible success for 2 mio nation, which will very difficult to be repeated.

Slovenia being great or not had nothing to do with my post.

What I said was about individual experience. And you have to agree that these can only be had on court. There can only be so much done in practice. You get real experience on court. Win or lose.

It will be the same in the NBA. The game plan is the same against Luka and Giannis. They will let Luka score all he wants and teams will shut down everyone else. Giannis learned to defer to Middleton at times and Middleton was in no way a finished product when he got to Milwaukee having bounced around in Detroit. But he developed into a reliable 2, it cost Milwaukee some games, sure, but it helped with his development. One step back, two steps forward.

To cut the long story short, the idea is to develop THJ into something useful other than just a 3 point shooter. You already sunk 70M dollars on him, might as well see what else he got. And you won't know what else he can do if all he is instructed to do is stand outside and wait for a pass. RIght? You gotta let them make mistakes at some point. It's a prcoess.

Point is, no matter as good as one player is, you need adequate roster to go all the way. Slovenia hasn't that, but that is normal, difficult to build that kind of roster in that small country. The same story is in Mavs. Team who cannot defend and have THJ as second best player won't make finals. But unlike Slovenia, Mavs for sure should build much better team.

Knicks has got rid of THJ because he was asked to do too much and he failed. THJ is the best, when he has as little dribble as possible.

It was Jrue, who changed everything for Bucks not Middleton. And he would have been perfect fit for Luka too.

They have missed Jrue, they have missed CP3, they didn't want Goran few years back. But I don't understand, why they don't try with Rubio. He has looked fantastic in Olympics. Very good playmaker, good defender and improved shooter.

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I like Kuzma, but I think Bullock is a good defender and a better shooter.

I’m excited about the small ball line up of Luka, THJ, Bullock, DFS, Kleber

All shooters!

[arkuo]

Point is, no matter as good as one player is, you need adequate roster to go all the way. Slovenia hasn't that, but that is normal, difficult to build that kind of roster in that small country. The same story is in Mavs. Team who cannot defend and have THJ as second best player won't make finals. But unlike Slovenia, Mavs for sure should build much better team.

Knicks has got rid of THJ because he was asked to do too much and he failed. THJ is the best, when he has as little dribble as possible.

It was Jrue, who changed everything for Bucks not Middleton. And he would have been perfect fit for Luka too.

They have missed Jrue, they have missed CP3, they didn't want Goran few years back. But I don't understand, why they don't try with Rubio. He has looked fantastic in Olympics. Very good playmaker, good defender and improved shooter.

I agree that the Mavs need better quality pieces around Doncic now. Those pieces can possibly come in 2023 onwards.

Now is about the time to use what they currently have since they're already signed and there is no more cap room to sign other players. They already invested in THJ, it wouldn't hurt to see what else he has in the tank. That's 70 million dollars for 4 years. Might as well see if he can do anything else other than shoot.

[Bob8]

Point is, no matter as good as one player is, you need adequate roster to go all the way. Slovenia hasn't that, but that is normal, difficult to build that kind of roster in that small country. The same story is in Mavs. Team who cannot defend and have THJ as second best player won't make finals. But unlike Slovenia, Mavs for sure should build much better team.

Knicks has got rid of THJ because he was asked to do too much and he failed. THJ is the best, when he has as little dribble as possible.

It was Jrue, who changed everything for Bucks not Middleton. And he would have been perfect fit for Luka too.

They have missed Jrue, they have missed CP3, they didn't want Goran few years back. But I don't understand, why they don't try with Rubio. He has looked fantastic in Olympics. Very good playmaker, good defender and improved shooter.

I agree that the Mavs need better quality pieces around Doncic now. Those pieces can possibly come in 2023 onwards.

Now is about the time to use what they currently have since they're already signed and there is no more cap room to sign other players. They already invested in THJ, it wouldn't hurt to see what else he has in the tank. That's 70 million dollars for 4 years. Might as well see if he can do anything else other than shoot.

He cannot. His efficiency plunge with more dribbling.

[fuller4379]

Point is, no matter as good as one player is, you need adequate roster to go all the way. Slovenia hasn't that, but that is normal, difficult to build that kind of roster in that small country. The same story is in Mavs. Team who cannot defend and have THJ as second best player won't make finals. But unlike Slovenia, Mavs for sure should build much better team.

Knicks has got rid of THJ because he was asked to do too much and he failed. THJ is the best, when he has as little dribble as possible.

It was Jrue, who changed everything for Bucks not Middleton. And he would have been perfect fit for Luka too.

They have missed Jrue, they have missed CP3, they didn't want Goran few years back. But I don't understand, why they don't try with Rubio. He has looked fantastic in Olympics. Very good playmaker, good defender and improved shooter.

I agree that the Mavs need better quality pieces around Doncic now. Those pieces can possibly come in 2023 onwards.

Now is about the time to use what they currently have since they're already signed and there is no more cap room to sign other players. They already invested in THJ, it wouldn't hurt to see what else he has in the tank. That's 70 million dollars for 4 years. Might as well see if he can do anything else other than shoot.

THJ is what he is at this point in his career.

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[arkuo]

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If it's Powell + Burke + Brown, I'm in! Minor stuff should be good to send out. Dallas and Toronto take hits on both sides.

[JJP]

If it's Powell + Burke + Brown, I'm in! Minor stuff should be good to send out. Dallas and Toronto take hits on both sides.

Well, it make sense.

Which is probably why it won't happen. But like you, I'd be on board with that. That makes more sense than Green to me.

[Mr B]

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If it's Powell + Burke + Brown, I'm in! Minor stuff should be good to send out. Dallas and Toronto take hits on both sides.

I’d be in on that.


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[fuller4379]

So, every washed up 30+ year old guard now wants in after Lowry, Paul, and DeRozen got overpaid.

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If it's Powell + Burke + Brown, I'm in! Minor stuff should be good to send out. Dallas and Toronto take hits on both sides.

I’d be in on that.


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Make sense...dump Powell is always a good thing and Moses is likely a garbage padder.

[leolozon]

So the latest on Kidd is that he also abandonned his kids even if they tried to keep in touch with him... He can't admit when he is wrong and will punish a player instead of admitting it. He punishes players for not having an Iphone... He just wants to coach and doesn't want to help with roster construction.

It looks like Kidd has psychological problems that he never dealt with when you read all the things that he has done in Milwaukee plus the fact that everything indicates that he's a piece of s**t as a human being...

But it's great that the front office felt the need to get a head coach who failed as a head coach and as a human being without doing any interviews. That looks like one competent front office/owner.

Sorry for the rant, but I can't believe that this doesn't pisses off more people. Everything that I know about Kidd makes me dislike him.

[Mr B]

If it's Powell + Burke + Brown, I'm in! Minor stuff should be good to send out. Dallas and Toronto take hits on both sides.

I’d be in on that.


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Make sense...dump Powell is always a good thing and Moses is likely a garbage padder.

I’d like to see what Moses develops in to however the Mavs already have a couple of young bugs I’d like to see develop too.


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