Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[SO_MONEY]

What makes you think I understate his defense. I think you overstate it calling him one of the best defenders in the NBA. Which All NBA defensive team did he make. I think they go to 3rd. I think we got a keeper also. I just don't believe he is any sure fire star. I hope he becomes one, but that's a very big step up from what we've seen so far.

Statistically, including advanced measurements backup that he was one of the best defenders in the NBA. He was. Don't know what to tell you.

I am not saying he is going to be a star, but I don't think Simmons is either. And Simmons is not going to be nearly as productive on MN. Kat, DLo and ANT will lower his already questionable offensive impact. He wouldn't have the ball in his hands as often and would need to swallow his pride some. I think it is reasonable to think he could drop to a 12/6/5 guy who is a mental midget that you are paying 35+ million. If you don't think McDaniels can get close to that for a fraction of the cost...well...

I was talking about McDaniels. I wasn't comparing the two. I wasn't talking about trading McDaniels in a Simmons package. Just talking about McDaniels.
I disagree with your contention that Simmons isn't a star and I don't appreciate your contempt for him. I'd love to have him on the Wolves strictly from a playing standpoint. If we were able to get him on our team he would not drop to a 12-6-5 guy. He would be the primary ball handler setting up Kat, DLo, And and McDaniels. His contract might make acquiring him prohibitive.

I don't care what you appreciate...

Do you have some vested interest in his reputation?

And Simmons wouldn't be the primary ball-handler. That ship has sailed and it has leaked that "interested" teams do not want him in that role and want to put him at PF.

[Note30]

Minny feels like a team that could take a chance on Simmons. It's a high risk thing to do, but sometimes a franchise needs to take a risk. GS did that with Bogut and it paid off (would he ever be healthy?). Maybe Minny could be where Smmons rejuvenates his career.

You guys had two of the greatest shooters of all time at the end of the day.

Trading for Bogut was a great move but we're not anywhere close to the same situation. (Unless Ant and Mc Daniels are our Steph and Klay.)

If you didn't have either of those guys or instead traded Steph for Bogut, you wouldn't have blossomed into the dynasty you have. And it wasn't like the rest of your roster wasn't complete.

The team still had another all star in David Lee, and several great bench player that you guys traded for or drafted in Jarret Jack, RJ, Draymond.

My timing is a little off on some of that but unless we have super young superstar talent in Edwards and Mc Daniels, trading for the equivalent of our equivalent of Bogut doesn't really turn us into you guys.

[KGdaBom]

Statistically, including advanced measurements backup that he was one of the best defenders in the NBA. He was. Don't know what to tell you.

I am not saying he is going to be a star, but I don't think Simmons is either. And Simmons is not going to be nearly as productive on MN. Kat, DLo and ANT will lower his already questionable offensive impact. He wouldn't have the ball in his hands as often and would need to swallow his pride some. I think it is reasonable to think he could drop to a 12/6/5 guy who is a mental midget that you are paying 35+ million. If you don't think McDaniels can get close to that for a fraction of the cost...well...

I was talking about McDaniels. I wasn't comparing the two. I wasn't talking about trading McDaniels in a Simmons package. Just talking about McDaniels.
I disagree with your contention that Simmons isn't a star and I don't appreciate your contempt for him. I'd love to have him on the Wolves strictly from a playing standpoint. If we were able to get him on our team he would not drop to a 12-6-5 guy. He would be the primary ball handler setting up Kat, DLo, And and McDaniels. His contract might make acquiring him prohibitive.

I don't care what you appreciate...

Do you have some vested interest in his reputation?

And Simmons wouldn't be the primary ball-handler. That ship has sailed and it has leaked that "interested" teams do not want him in that role and want to put him at PF.

I don't care that you don't care what I appreciate.

No vested interest and this began with just being my thoughts on McDaniels, but since you imposed your thoughts on Simmons into this dialog I added mine. Simmons is a far better facilitator than DLo or anybody else on the Wolves. No reason I can think of why he can't play PF and be the primary ball handler/facilitator.

[SO_MONEY]

I was talking about McDaniels. I wasn't comparing the two. I wasn't talking about trading McDaniels in a Simmons package. Just talking about McDaniels.
I disagree with your contention that Simmons isn't a star and I don't appreciate your contempt for him. I'd love to have him on the Wolves strictly from a playing standpoint. If we were able to get him on our team he would not drop to a 12-6-5 guy. He would be the primary ball handler setting up Kat, DLo, And and McDaniels. His contract might make acquiring him prohibitive.

I don't care what you appreciate...

Do you have some vested interest in his reputation?

And Simmons wouldn't be the primary ball-handler. That ship has sailed and it has leaked that "interested" teams do not want him in that role and want to put him at PF.

No vested interest and this began with just being my thoughts on McDaniels, but since you imposed your thoughts on Simmons into this dialog I added mine. Simmons is a far better facilitator than DLo or anybody else on the Wolves. No reason I can think of why he can't play PF and be the primary ball handler/facilitator.

I was talking about McDaniels and Simmons, if that isn't what you want to talk about then don't respond. You are the one who isn't following along and imposing your thoughts.

[KGdaBom]

I don't care what you appreciate...

Do you have some vested interest in his reputation?

And Simmons wouldn't be the primary ball-handler. That ship has sailed and it has leaked that "interested" teams do not want him in that role and want to put him at PF.

No vested interest and this began with just being my thoughts on McDaniels, but since you imposed your thoughts on Simmons into this dialog I added mine. Simmons is a far better facilitator than DLo or anybody else on the Wolves. No reason I can think of why he can't play PF and be the primary ball handler/facilitator.

I was talking about McDaniels and Simmons, if that isn't what you want to talk about then don't respond. You are the one who isn't following along and imposing your thoughts.

Was I obligated to share thoughts on Simmons? I don't think so. However, once you shoved your thoughts on Simmons down my throat I then felt like sharing my thoughts on Simmons.

[fattymcgee]

I don't care what you appreciate...

Do you have some vested interest in his reputation?

And Simmons wouldn't be the primary ball-handler. That ship has sailed and it has leaked that "interested" teams do not want him in that role and want to put him at PF.

No vested interest and this began with just being my thoughts on McDaniels, but since you imposed your thoughts on Simmons into this dialog I added mine. Simmons is a far better facilitator than DLo or anybody else on the Wolves. No reason I can think of why he can't play PF and be the primary ball handler/facilitator.

I was talking about McDaniels and Simmons, if that isn't what you want to talk about then don't respond. You are the one who isn't following along and imposing your thoughts.

Dude, the title of this thread is "Trade Talk" which leaves pretty much anything open to discuss or not discuss.

[SO_MONEY]

No vested interest and this began with just being my thoughts on McDaniels, but since you imposed your thoughts on Simmons into this dialog I added mine. Simmons is a far better facilitator than DLo or anybody else on the Wolves. No reason I can think of why he can't play PF and be the primary ball handler/facilitator.

I was talking about McDaniels and Simmons, if that isn't what you want to talk about then don't respond. You are the one who isn't following along and imposing your thoughts.

Was I obligated to share thoughts on Simmons? I don't think so. However, once you shoved your thoughts on Simmons down my throat I then felt like sharing my thoughts on Simmons.

Dude. You responded to a post about Simmons. So I repeat, don't respond to things you don't want to talk about. And live with the fact Simmons making 35+ million isn't something many people view as valuable.

[SO_MONEY]

No vested interest and this began with just being my thoughts on McDaniels, but since you imposed your thoughts on Simmons into this dialog I added mine. Simmons is a far better facilitator than DLo or anybody else on the Wolves. No reason I can think of why he can't play PF and be the primary ball handler/facilitator.

I was talking about McDaniels and Simmons, if that isn't what you want to talk about then don't respond. You are the one who isn't following along and imposing your thoughts.

Dude, the title of this thread is "Trade Talk" which leaves pretty much anything open to discuss or not discuss.

He responded to my comment about Simmons, by basically saying 'You are taking about Simmons, I want to talk about McDaniels and I am upset that you won't talk about what I want'.

I think this is drinking related... whatever, it's the weekend, but it is ridiculous nonetheless. He lost track of what happened, thinking I responded to something he was talking about... when it was the other way around.

[Dewey]

In the past Finch has been pretty creative adapting offense to fit the roster… Last week he commented perimeter defense is one of the toughest things to coach against offensively. With that said I assume that is the direction he is emphasizing with the team… I will DLo, Beasley, and Ant respond? Does this invite or add to intrigue around Simmons? I would have to say Nowell has responded well and summer league so I guess we’ll wait and see on the others

[KGdaBom]

I was talking about McDaniels and Simmons, if that isn't what you want to talk about then don't respond. You are the one who isn't following along and imposing your thoughts.

Was I obligated to share thoughts on Simmons? I don't think so. However, once you shoved your thoughts on Simmons down my throat I then felt like sharing my thoughts on Simmons.

Dude. You responded to a post about Simmons. So I repeat, don't respond to things you don't want to talk about. And live with the fact Simmons making 35+ million isn't something many people view as valuable.

Dude I was not responding to your comments about Simmons. I was responding to your comments about McDaniels. This is getting comical, but I will stop here.

[SO_MONEY]

Was I obligated to share thoughts on Simmons? I don't think so. However, once you shoved your thoughts on Simmons down my throat I then felt like sharing my thoughts on Simmons.

Dude. You responded to a post about Simmons. So I repeat, don't respond to things you don't want to talk about. And live with the fact Simmons making 35+ million isn't something many people view as valuable.

Dude I was not responding to your comments about Simmons. I was responding to your comments about McDaniels. This is getting comical, but I will stop here.

I was talking about Simmons, you responded to me. Let it go.

[IceManBK1]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/08/15/nba-rumors-toronto-raptors-minnesota-timberwolves-trade-centered-around-pascal-siakam/

Don't know if I would give up McDaniels, 2 2nds and a top 8 protected 1st to get siakam.

[Dewey]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/08/15/nba-rumors-toronto-raptors-minnesota-timberwolves-trade-centered-around-pascal-siakam/

Don't know if I would give up McDaniels, 2 2nds and a top 8 protected 1st to get siakam.

One of those “ a bird in the hand is <> than two in the bush” things. Either way I would not give a FRP

[moonpie]

Read on Twitter

[KGdaBom]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/08/15/nba-rumors-toronto-raptors-minnesota-timberwolves-trade-centered-around-pascal-siakam/

Don't know if I would give up McDaniels, 2 2nds and a top 8 protected 1st to get siakam.

One of those “ a bird in the hand is <> than two in the bush” things. Either way I would not give a FRP

Siakam is a game changer. IMO you can't let McDaniels stop us from going after him. McDaniels and several picks is iffy.

[IceManBK1]

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Any interest in Rondo or Patrick Beverly as backup PGs?

[Neeva]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/08/15/nba-rumors-toronto-raptors-minnesota-timberwolves-trade-centered-around-pascal-siakam/

Don't know if I would give up McDaniels, 2 2nds and a top 8 protected 1st to get siakam.

One of those “ a bird in the hand is <> than two in the bush” things. Either way I would not give a FRP

Siakam is a game changer. IMO you can't let McDaniels stop us from going after him. McDaniels and several picks is iffy.

Nah Siakam Will become a bad contract in a year or less just watch. toronto fans sense this also.

[Baseline81]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/08/15/nba-rumors-toronto-raptors-minnesota-timberwolves-trade-centered-around-pascal-siakam/

Don't know if I would give up McDaniels, 2 2nds and a top 8 protected 1st to get siakam.

There's no substance in the article. And if you look at the trade, salaries don't match either.

[floppymoose]

Minny feels like a team that could take a chance on Simmons. It's a high risk thing to do, but sometimes a franchise needs to take a risk. GS did that with Bogut and it paid off (would he ever be healthy?). Maybe Minny could be where Smmons rejuvenates his career.

You guys had two of the greatest shooters of all time at the end of the day.

Trading for Bogut was a great move but we're not anywhere close to the same situation. (Unless Ant and Mc Daniels are our Steph and Klay.)

If you didn't have either of those guys or instead traded Steph for Bogut, you wouldn't have blossomed into the dynasty you have. And it wasn't like the rest of your roster wasn't complete.

The team still had another all star in David Lee, and several great bench player that you guys traded for or drafted in Jarret Jack, RJ, Draymond.

My timing is a little off on some of that but unless we have super young superstar talent in Edwards and Mc Daniels, trading for the equivalent of our equivalent of Bogut doesn't really turn us into you guys.

So to be clear, I wasn't trying to say the situations were identical. Rather that both were situations where I think it makes sense for teams to take a risk.

But even if I had meant more, I think perhaps you are overstating the case a bit? Klay was on his rookie season where he hit 3s and did next to nothing else. That's why he only started 29 games. David Lee has always been a fake all star whose teams played better when he was on the bench, and a fake rebounder who's teams rebound better when he is on the bench. Our other great shooter, Steph, was coming off 18 months with a half-dozen ankle injuries and multiple surgeries. Draymond was not even on the team yet. So yes, if you can see into the future magically we had a hall of fame core developing, but it sure didn't look that way at the time. The team was 23-43 the year of the trade (lockout shortened season).

Minny is 23-49. And I think the team could use Simmon's defensive and playmaking potential.

[IceManBK1]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/08/15/nba-rumors-toronto-raptors-minnesota-timberwolves-trade-centered-around-pascal-siakam/

Don't know if I would give up McDaniels, 2 2nds and a top 8 protected 1st to get siakam.

There's no substance in the article. And if you look at the trade, salaries don't match either.

I know it's a click bait article.