Trade Talk (Part Seven)

IceManBK1 · Post #1781 » by **IceManBK1** » Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:10 am

What if Morey seen McDaniels summer league and is impressed and offer Simmons for McDaniels, Beasley, Huancho and couple 1sts? I'd probably pull the trigger.

IceManBK1 · Post #1782 » by **IceManBK1** » Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:23 am

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It'd be nice if we can ship prince and filler for Markkanen or Myles Turner or the grand prize Simmons. So prince can be packaged in trade on the 18th. Let's see if sth gonna happen.

KGdaBom · Post #1783 » by **KGdaBom** » Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:30 am

Neeva wrote:
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Dewey wrote:One of those “ a bird in the hand is <> than two in the bush” things. Either way I would not give a FRP

Siakam is a game changer. IMO you can't let McDaniels stop us from going after him. McDaniels and several picks is iffy.

Nah Siakam Will become a bad contract in a year or less just watch. toronto fans sense this also.

Siakam is a very good contract. He produces better than he's paid.

SO_MONEY · Post #1784 » by **SO_MONEY** » Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:40 am

KGdaBom wrote:
Neeva wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Siakam is a game changer. IMO you can't let McDaniels stop us from going after him. McDaniels and several picks is iffy.

Nah Siakam Will become a bad contract in a year or less just watch. toronto fans sense this also.

Siakam is a very good contract. He produces better than he's paid.

You are talking about trading an ascending asset for a descending asset (last couple years), I wouldn't. I like him much better than Simmons though. I just see guys like this as closer in value to Vucivic. Reid is the value you should send to Toronto in a deal with them.

ClarkeW · Post #1785 » by **ClarkeW** » Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:12 am

Patrick Beverly, Rajon Rondo & Daniel Oturu got traded to the Grizzlies today for Eric Bledsoe. Memphis is pretty stacked now and apparently the futures of all three of those players there are up in the air. Anyone you think the Timberwolves should grab?

Personally my first choice would be Beverly. Think he brings this team some grit & toughness and would be an ideal backup PG for us. Rondo could also possibly be that veteran PG presence we need. Would be interested in spinning off one or two of our spare parts and one of our three second round picks next year for one of those two.

andyhop · Post #1786 » by **andyhop** » Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:50 am

ClarkeW wrote:Patrick Beverly, Rajon Rondo & Daniel Oturu got traded to the Grizzlies today for Eric Bledsoe. Memphis is pretty stacked now and apparently the futures of all three of those players there are up in the air. Anyone you think the Timberwolves should grab?

I think they would all be terrible on the Wolves, the only place they might work is on a contender after a buyout.

moonpie · Post #1787 » by **moonpie** » Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:20 am

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moonpie · Post #1788 » by **moonpie** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:02 pm

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KGdaBom · Post #1789 » by **KGdaBom** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:03 pm

andyhop wrote:
ClarkeW wrote:Patrick Beverly, Rajon Rondo & Daniel Oturu got traded to the Grizzlies today for Eric Bledsoe. Memphis is pretty stacked now and apparently the futures of all three of those players there are up in the air. Anyone you think the Timberwolves should grab?

I think they would all be terrible on the Wolves, the only place they might work is on a contender after a buyout.

One of them is now on the Wolves. Beverley traded for Culver and Hernangomez.

winforlose · Post #1790 » by **winforlose** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:45 pm

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moonpie · Post #1791 » by **moonpie** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:50 pm

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VeritasTri · Post #1792 » by **VeritasTri** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:37 pm

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I still think it ends up being a 3way with Beasley+ good vet (Boucher or similar) ends up in Philly, with Reid/picks/filler going to the third team, and probably a pick or two to Philly. Juancho/Culvers salary could have been used for filler,

MN out: Beasley, Reid, Layman, Prince, 22 1st, 24 1st, 2023 2nd
MN in: Simmons, Reed (Summer league might have ruined this)

Tor out: Boucher
Tor in: Reid, Layman, 2nd

Phi out: Simmons, Reed
Phi in: Beasley, Boucher, Prince, MN 22/24 1sts

I believe most were disappointed with the return for Butler of Covington/Saric, solid role players but not what you are hoping to get back for a star. I think Philly ends up in the same boat, a disgruntled star who cant be brought back with a short list of teams interested gets sold for cheap due to circumstances. Only this time we are on the winning side of it rather than the losing side.

Neeva · Post #1793 » by **Neeva** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:51 pm

That’s more than The wolves got for Buttler.

jpatrick · Post #1794 » by **jpatrick** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:56 pm

VeritasTri wrote:
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I still think it ends up being a 3way with Beasley+ good vet (Boucher or similar) ends up in Philly, with Reid/picks/filler going to the third team, and probably a pick or two to Philly. Juancho/Culvers salary could have been used for filler,

MN out: Beasley, Reid, Layman, Prince, 22 1st, 24 1st, 2023 2nd
MN in: Simmons, Reed (Summer league might have ruined this)

Tor out: Boucher
Tor in: Reid, Layman, 2nd

Phi out: Simmons, Reed
Phi in: Beasley, Boucher, Prince, MN 22/24 1sts

I believe most were disappointed with the return for Butler of Covington/Saric, solid role players but not what you are hoping to get back for a star. I think Philly ends up in the same boat, a disgruntled star who cant be brought back with a short list of teams interested gets sold for cheap due to circumstances. Only this time we are on the winning side of it rather than the losing side.

It’d have to be Beasley and a guard that can create and shoot. Lillard or Beal preferable but those guys not on the market. I could see us trying to get Brogdon, FVV, or Sexton routed to Philly. Not a lot of guards available at the moment.

The other thing Philly could do is take our stuff (Beasley, Prince, FRPs, swaps) now and look to flip those things when a Beal or Lillard does become available. They say they’re bringing Simmons back to start the season, but I just don’t see it happening. Simmons was publicly thrown under the bus by the organization and has cut off all contact with them. Would be really awkward.

VeritasTri · Post #1795 » by **VeritasTri** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:10 pm

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It’d have to be Beasley and a guard that can create and shoot. Lillard or Beal preferable but those guys not on the market. I could see us trying to get Brogdon, FVV, or Sexton routed to Philly. Not a lot of guards available at the moment.

The other thing Philly could do is take our stuff (Beasley, Prince, FRPs, swaps) now and look to flip those things when a Beal or Lillard does become available. They say they’re bringing Simmons back to start the season, but I just don’t see it happening. Simmons was publicly thrown under the bus by the organization and has cut off all contact with them. Would be really awkward.

Does a package of Reid/filler/2 FRP land any of those guys? Cleveland just got Mobley and signed Allen up front, Reid probably wouldnt interest them. Indy has Sabonis/Turner up front and I doubt they value Reid. Toronto S&T Lowry and just passed on drafting Suggs, I doubt they are looking to move FVV.

Maybe Dragic? Sounds like he doesnt want to be in Toronto anyway.

Post #1796 » by **Domejandro** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:11 pm

Neeva wrote:That’s more than The wolves got for Buttler.

The Butler trade was a humiliating disaster for the Timberwolves because the front office was incompetent. That cannot be used as a baseline for any trades, especially when you consider length of contract.

VeritasTri · Post #1797 » by **VeritasTri** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:37 pm

Domejandro wrote:
Neeva wrote:That’s more than The wolves got for Buttler.

The Butler trade was a humiliating disaster for the Timberwolves because the front office was incompetent. That cannot be used as a baseline for any trades, especially when you consider length of contract.

I disagree.

Butlers trade value was tanked by his unwillingness to stay in MN, same as Simmons. The contract length played a role in his lower value, but in reality it more limited the teams that would be interested to those who believed he would re-sign there. Philly could have re-signed Butler, same for the heat/rockets who were the other strong suitors. Thibs from day 1 was a "win now" GM, so the package he was looking for got squeezed for value even more as the teams willing to trade for Butler were also "win now".

I think there are a lot of parallels between the Butler and Simmons situations. Simmons doesnt want to go back to Philly and they have to trade him and everybody knows it. While Simmons has 4 years left a team isnt going to trade away assets for him if he says he doesnt want to be there, limiting his potential suitors the same way Butlers willingness to re-sign limited his potential suitors and what they would give up. Philly wants "win now" pieces to fit Embiids timeline, but teams who would want Simmons are typically "win now" teams who arent as interested in trading "win now" pieces.

I think the situation is extremely similar and I think it will play out in a similar manner.

jpatrick · Post #1798 » by **jpatrick** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:52 pm

Domejandro wrote:
Neeva wrote:That’s more than The wolves got for Buttler.

The Butler trade was a humiliating disaster for the Timberwolves because the front office was incompetent. That cannot be used as a baseline for any trades, especially when you consider length of contract.

Thibs was such a disaster as PBO. Ignored Jimmy’s trade demands all summer knowing how volatile he was instead of maximizing value before the world knew of the trade demand. Let Jimmy come in, openly humiliate all of our players publicly, then sit out. Even after that, Thibs probably could have gotten better value, but he wanted win-now guys when that teams was miles away from winning. Ugh.

And Jimmy was on the last year of his deal and, in fact, walked from Philly. While Simmons is locked in for four years.

IceManBK1 · Post #1799 » by **IceManBK1** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:13 pm

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Beasley+Prince+Reid+3 future 1st..1 of them top 3 protected. For Ben Simmons. We sign my boy Biyombo and resign Vanderbilt. Call it an offseason

Dlo/Pat Beverly/Bolmaro
Edwards/Novell/Okogie
McDaniels/Layman
Simmons/Vanderbilt
Towns/Biyombo

SO_MONEY · Post #1800 » by **SO_MONEY** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:17 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:
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Beasley+Prince+Reid+3 future 1st..1 of them top 3 protected. For Ben Simmons. We sign my boy Biyombo and resign Vanderbilt. Call it an offseason

Dlo/Pat Beverly/Bolmaro
Edwards/Novell/Okogie
McDaniels/Layman
Simmons/Vanderbilt
Towns/Biyombo

Easy pass. Philadelphia can keep him a deal with that s-show.