Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[jpatrick]

The smoke indicates his trade value is nowhere near that.

Where you reading that? I’m reading that teams are declining crazy offers (OG, #4, filler, future picks for example) bc Morey is waiting for Lillard essentially.

But Woj, Jon K, Brit, Dane, thus both National and local guys, have said we’re desperate for the guy and we’re probably offering something around the above-quoted deal.

Now, some people, Nate Duncan for example, has said in his subjective (personal) opinion, he doesn’t see Simmons as a positive contract. However, all evidence says this is not what Finch/Rosas believe. I haven’t read anyone say that around the league Simmons has negative value. If you have, please point me to that.

That offer never happened, that was just a hypothetical.

It was reported this was Morey’s offer to Toronto. Who knows if it happened. It obviously had no chance of being accepted. Morey just wasting time while he waits for Beal/Lillard to request a trade, which now looks like it won’t happen.

Edit: I was wrong, Morey asked for FVV, OG, Lowry, AND the #4 in this draft.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers-asking-price

[winforlose]

Sixers fan here

Sorry but some of you guys have no idea

Simmons/KAT/Ant/D’lo gets you to playoffs year 1 health permitting

And that’s coming off a 23 win season

He’s that good

You will be frustrated (as we are) BUT the guy wins nba games

Problem is that you guys have nobody that the Sixers want outside of KAT and Ant so deal will be complicated

That is my biggest thing in favor or Simmons.

Yeah but they aren’t giving us Embiid, Harris, and an upgraded bench. Simmons is a piece of a puzzle not a magic bullet.

[winforlose]

If I were going to offer on Simmons which I don’t know that I would, the best and final I would give is Beasley, Vando, Prince, one first and one pick swap, but the Wolves get back Paul Reed as well as Ben Simmons. I cannot prove the math yet because the trade machine cannot run for a little while, but eyeballing it and given that Vando is a sign and trade I think we make it work. We upgrade our PF at the first and second level, and Philly gets out of a bad contract and situation that will only get worse while acquiring two strong defenders in Vando and Prince and a solid starting SG. The first is lottery protected for 3 years and then converts to 2 seconds.

And you get hung up on very quickly.

Then I would take a deep breath, pray I dodged the bullet I think I did and go win games with the roster I put together (assuming I am Rosas.)

[KGdaBom]

If I were going to offer on Simmons which I don’t know that I would, the best and final I would give is Beasley, Vando, Prince, one first and one pick swap, but the Wolves get back Paul Reed as well as Ben Simmons. I cannot prove the math yet because the trade machine cannot run for a little while, but eyeballing it and given that Vando is a sign and trade I think we make it work. We upgrade our PF at the first and second level, and Philly gets out of a bad contract and situation that will only get worse while acquiring two strong defenders in Vando and Prince and a solid starting SG. The first is lottery protected for 3 years and then converts to 2 seconds.

And you get hung up on very quickly.

Then I would take a deep breath, pray I dodged the bullet I think I did and go win games with the roster I put together (assuming I am Rosas.)

Give up Beasley, Prince and yes McDaniels and add Simmons we are a much better team.

[Baseline81]

Give up Beasley, Prince and yes McDaniels and add Simmons we are a much better team.

Are any picks involved?

[winforlose]

And you get hung up on very quickly.

Then I would take a deep breath, pray I dodged the bullet I think I did and go win games with the roster I put together (assuming I am Rosas.)

Give up Beasley, Prince and yes McDaniels and add Simmons we are a much better team.

Our scoring goes down, our defense gets worse, our bench depth is compromised, and we lose two value contracts and expiring in exchange for a guy who is on a max and putting diminishing and disappointing numbers. I think I can live with three rotation players instead of 1 over valued max player.

[KGdaBom]

Then I would take a deep breath, pray I dodged the bullet I think I did and go win games with the roster I put together (assuming I am Rosas.)

Give up Beasley, Prince and yes McDaniels and add Simmons we are a much better team.

Our scoring goes down, our defense gets worse, our bench depth is compromised, and we lose two value contracts and expiring in exchange for a guy who is on a max and putting diminishing and disappointing numbers. I think I can live with three rotation players instead of 1 over valued max player.

It's debatable or we wouldn't be debating it. However, IMO you are wrong about our scoring going down and our defense is getting much better. Yes our bench depth is compromised you got one thing right. As for contracts I don't really care. We get better is the bottom line. You clearly think differently.

[shrink]

Where you reading that? I’m reading that teams are declining crazy offers (OG, #4, filler, future picks for example) bc Morey is waiting for Lillard essentially.

But Woj, Jon K, Brit, Dane, thus both National and local guys, have said we’re desperate for the guy and we’re probably offering something around the above-quoted deal.

Now, some people, Nate Duncan for example, has said in his subjective (personal) opinion, he doesn’t see Simmons as a positive contract. However, all evidence says this is not what Finch/Rosas believe. I haven’t read anyone say that around the league Simmons has negative value. If you have, please point me to that.

That offer never happened, that was just a hypothetical.

It was reported this was Morey’s offer to Toronto. Who knows if it happened. It obviously had no chance of being accepted. Morey just wasting time while he waits for Beal/Lillard to request a trade, which now looks like it won’t happen.

Edit: I was wrong, Morey asked for FVV, OG, Lowry, AND the #4 in this draft.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers-asking-price

And

Bob Myers probably fell over laughing when he heard the request before promptly hanging up the phone.B

The Philadelphia Inquirer's Keith Pompey reported Thursday, citing league sources, that the Warriors rejected a ridiculous trade offer for Ben Simmons, with the Philadelphia 76ers asking for James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, the No. 7 and No. 14 pick Thursday's 2021 NBA Draft and two more future first-round picks.

This is in line with a recent report from The Ringer, confirmed by Pompey, that the San Antonio Spurs turned down an ask of four first-round picks, three pick swaps and a young player for Simmons.

Is Philly media trying to discredit Morey too?

[KGdaBom]

Give up Beasley, Prince and yes McDaniels and add Simmons we are a much better team.

Are any picks involved?

I say a lottery protected first, they will counter and we'll settle on a top 7 protected first. It won't matter we won't be a lottery team with Simmons.

[SO_MONEY]

Where you reading that? I’m reading that teams are declining crazy offers (OG, #4, filler, future picks for example) bc Morey is waiting for Lillard essentially.

But Woj, Jon K, Brit, Dane, thus both National and local guys, have said we’re desperate for the guy and we’re probably offering something around the above-quoted deal.

Now, some people, Nate Duncan for example, has said in his subjective (personal) opinion, he doesn’t see Simmons as a positive contract. However, all evidence says this is not what Finch/Rosas believe. I haven’t read anyone say that around the league Simmons has negative value. If you have, please point me to that.

That offer never happened, that was just a hypothetical.

It was reported this was Morey’s offer to Toronto. Who knows if it happened. It obviously had no chance of being accepted. Morey just wasting time while he waits for Beal/Lillard to request a trade, which now looks like it won’t happen.

Edit: I was wrong, Morey asked for FVV, OG, Lowry, AND the #4 in this draft.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers-asking-price

OR that rumor was only put out there to make Morey look bad.

[KGdaBom]

That offer never happened, that was just a hypothetical.

It was reported this was Morey’s offer to Toronto. Who knows if it happened. It obviously had no chance of being accepted. Morey just wasting time while he waits for Beal/Lillard to request a trade, which now looks like it won’t happen.

Edit: I was wrong, Morey asked for FVV, OG, Lowry, AND the #4 in this draft.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers-asking-price

And

Bob Myers probably fell over laughing when he heard the request before promptly hanging up the phone.B

The Philadelphia Inquirer's Keith Pompey reported Thursday, citing league sources, that the Warriors rejected a ridiculous trade offer for Ben Simmons, with the Philadelphia 76ers asking for James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, the No. 7 and No. 14 pick Thursday's 2021 NBA Draft and two more future first-round picks.

This is in line with a recent report from The Ringer, confirmed by Pompey, that the San Antonio Spurs turned down an ask of four first-round picks, three pick swaps and a young player for Simmons.

The asking price is proof that Philly really doesn't want to trade him.

[SO_MONEY]

That offer never happened, that was just a hypothetical.

It was reported this was Morey’s offer to Toronto. Who knows if it happened. It obviously had no chance of being accepted. Morey just wasting time while he waits for Beal/Lillard to request a trade, which now looks like it won’t happen.

Edit: I was wrong, Morey asked for FVV, OG, Lowry, AND the #4 in this draft.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers-asking-price

And

Bob Myers probably fell over laughing when he heard the request before promptly hanging up the phone.B

The Philadelphia Inquirer's Keith Pompey reported Thursday, citing league sources, that the Warriors rejected a ridiculous trade offer for Ben Simmons, with the Philadelphia 76ers asking for James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, the No. 7 and No. 14 pick Thursday's 2021 NBA Draft and two more future first-round picks.

This is in line with a recent report from The Ringer, confirmed by Pompey, that the San Antonio Spurs turned down an ask of four first-round picks, three pick swaps and a young player for Simmons.

OR these rumors are meant to make Morey look bad.

I don't think Morey is as delusional as these asks, so I call BS.

[KGdaBom]

It was reported this was Morey’s offer to Toronto. Who knows if it happened. It obviously had no chance of being accepted. Morey just wasting time while he waits for Beal/Lillard to request a trade, which now looks like it won’t happen.

Edit: I was wrong, Morey asked for FVV, OG, Lowry, AND the #4 in this draft.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers-asking-price

And

Bob Myers probably fell over laughing when he heard the request before promptly hanging up the phone.B

The Philadelphia Inquirer's Keith Pompey reported Thursday, citing league sources, that the Warriors rejected a ridiculous trade offer for Ben Simmons, with the Philadelphia 76ers asking for James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, the No. 7 and No. 14 pick Thursday's 2021 NBA Draft and two more future first-round picks.

This is in line with a recent report from The Ringer, confirmed by Pompey, that the San Antonio Spurs turned down an ask of four first-round picks, three pick swaps and a young player for Simmons.

OR these rumors are meant to make Morey look bad.

I don't think Morey is as delusional as these asks, so I call BS.

It's hard to believe he could be delusional enough to expect anybody to cave into the reported asking price. To me it's an indication that he really doesn't want to trade him.

[winforlose]

Give up Beasley, Prince and yes McDaniels and add Simmons we are a much better team.

Our scoring goes down, our defense gets worse, our bench depth is compromised, and we lose two value contracts and expiring in exchange for a guy who is on a max and putting diminishing and disappointing numbers. I think I can live with three rotation players instead of 1 over valued max player.

It's debatable or we wouldn't be debating it. However, IMO you are wrong about our scoring going down and our defense is getting much better. Yes our bench depth is compromised you got one thing right. As for contracts I don't really care. We get better is the bottom line. You clearly think differently.

Beasley by himself scores more points than Simmons. MCD is our best defender and even if Simmons is an upgrade, you are also losing Prince which means you need to play Vando at the 4 which further compromised our offense. Also, the money matters because now you don’t have enough to fill out the rest of the roster. We go from 12 with Vando and JMAC getting us to 14 to 10 with Vando and JMAC getting us to 12. Add to more low value minimum contracts and our bench gets weaker still. Weaker bench means less offenses and defensive output in the aggregate.

[Slim Tubby]

Sixers fan here

Sorry but some of you guys have no idea

Simmons/KAT/Ant/D’lo gets you to playoffs year 1 health permitting

And that’s coming off a 23 win season

He’s that good

You will be frustrated (as we are) BUT the guy wins nba games

Problem is that you guys have nobody that the Sixers want outside of KAT and Ant so deal will be complicated

I think we'd almost definitely need to get a third team involved to acquire an on-court asset that you guys would want.

Absolutely

Added complications are the friendship of KAT/D’lo/Ben and Klutch with Ben & Ant

There’s ZERO chance of Klutch sending either of them to Siberia and Twolves would be insane to trade Ant anyway

Tomjas…at this point, do you think it’s even possible to get a return back for Simmons that would make the Sixers a better overall team?


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[shrink]

Philly reporter says the Morey trade offer for the Kings is, “De’Aaron Fox is the starting point.”

[SO_MONEY]

And

OR these rumors are meant to make Morey look bad.

I don't think Morey is as delusional as these asks, so I call BS.

It's hard to believe he could be delusional enough to expect anybody to cave into the reported asking price. To me it's an indication that he really doesn't want to trade him.

I don't think he actually asked for these, it would be reputationally damaging. But I do believe he stung teams along, was trying to manipulate the media and all in all not dealing in good faith wasting teams time. I think his asks were high, too high, just not the satire being "leaked". His inability or lack of desire to get down to brass tacks and have substantial talks probably alienatied many a GM.

[SO_MONEY]

Philly reporter says the Morey trade offer for the Kings is, “De’Aaron Fox is the starting point.”

Do you know where the source originated?

Reporters are funny and easily manipulated.

[_AIJ_]

Beasley/beverly 2 1sts thats it

[shrink]

Philly reporter says the Morey trade offer for the Kings is, “De’Aaron Fox is the starting point.”

Do you know where the source originated?

Reporters are funny and easily manipulated.

Two were the Philly inquirer, one is PhillyVoice, and one was from the Ringer. They all correlate with each other, and they correlate with multiple national sources that say that Morey is asking a huge price. It’s hard to imagine all these sources are wrong.

I see a lot of people creating a storyline that there are no facts to support, when they don’t agree with the price. You think the reporters are wrong. KG thinks Morey must not want to sell. Another poster believes that these are opening offers, and future negotiations weren’t reported. Another believes that many GMs hate Morey, so they are lying about the offers.

We aren’t in these boardrooms, so all we have is the evidence we get. When it all says the same thing, over and over, it’s hard for me to dismiss them all by tacking on some new explanation that nobody mentioned,