Kyle Anderson & Dillon Brooks are on the market [Fedor]

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Re: Kyle Anderson & Dillon Brooks are on the market [Fedor] 

Post#21 » by GSP » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:31 am

Slowmo is a championship level role player. Really good with the ball but doesnt even need it to impact the game at a high level
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Post#22 » by Sane » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:44 am

Brooklyn should trade Harris for these two if they’re better defenders. Good size, depth. They would do well, don’t think they’ve ever played with someone who can take the pressure of them this much.
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Post#23 » by God Squad » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:55 am

John Murdoch wrote:Cavs acting like they need win now pieces . What is even their core outside of Garland and Mobley ? Just a mess

All them years tanking/lotto picks and that's it.
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Post#24 » by S-Gorilla86 » Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:08 am

Dacost wrote:Grizz F.O already said Dillion brooks is not avaliable fake rumor.
Not saying the rumor is true, but of course the Grizz FO would say that. I like Brooks but there's no way hes untouchable.

After the Pat Bev trade the Grizz will have 18 guaranteed contracts, so it makes sense they might want to consolidate talent. I don't see a trade fit with the Cavs, but I'm interested to see what the Grizz do since they need to make additional moves.

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Post#25 » by NO-KG-AI » Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:14 am

Grizz trying to sneak tank for a season and secure another elite talent?
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Post#26 » by rand » Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:34 am

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John Murdoch wrote:Cavs acting like they need win now pieces . What is even their core outside of Garland and Mobley ? Just a mess

All them years tanking/lotto picks and that's it.

+Okoro FWIW

Also, "all them years" = 3 years

Also they had the top lotto odds in 2019 and 2020 and received the #5 pick both times. If you tank and constantly get massively screwed in the lottery it won't go well for you, but then again if you constantly get massively screwed by random chance then no strategy will go well for you.
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Post#27 » by uriah » Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:56 am

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Dacost wrote:Grizz F.O already said Dillion brooks is not avaliable fake rumor.
Not saying the rumor is true, but of course the Grizz FO would say that. I like Brooks but there's no way hes untouchable.

After the Pat Bev trade the Grizz will have 18 guaranteed contracts, so it makes sense they might want to consolidate talent. I don't see a trade fit with the Cavs, but I'm interested to see what the Grizz do since they need to make additional moves.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263913/Rajon-Rondo-Not-Expected-To-Stay-With-Grizzlies


Grizzlies are doing at least 2 trades before season starts... Of course they have to deny the rumor of Dillon Brooks but I feel that he and Anderson are on the table if there is any play to get a big wing name for memphis (simmons, beal, brown, cj, lavine...).

Brooklyn should trade Harris for these two if they’re better defenders. Good size, depth. They would do well, don’t think they’ve ever played with someone who can take the pressure of them this much.


The grizz won't trade one of the two alone for Harris and his awful contract, if you check the Grizz recent trades they are unloading big long term contracts and focusing in controlling cheap role players with contract while hoping for a big consolidation move for a big name.
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Post#28 » by The_Hater » Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:01 am

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Such a bad take. I hope opposing GM's do feel this way and the Cavs can resign him on the cheap. Change out Sexton for Donovam Mitchell and I doubt the Jazz would lose a beat tbh.


He’s a terrible distributor and a terrible defender, which anyone not wearing rose coloured glasses already knows, and them you come in here calling that a bad take and counter with he’s as good as Donavan Mitchell. Hilarious.

The irony od your post is off the charts.


That’s because you’re looking at him as a point guard while I’m looking at him as a scoring guard. Zion averages 4 assist, Ingram averages 5 assists and Sexton averages 4 assists. You put the ball in the hands of Zion and let him create, Sexton becomes the 3rd scoring option that can create for himself and others. It’s a very simple concept, if you don’t have a team with two top 10 talents like Lebron and AD, then you need at least 3 high level creators. Fill out the rest of the roster with 3 and D guys and you’re in a good place. Sexton is also efficient despite being the focus of defence night in and night out.


I commented on his deficiencies and problems playing either guard spot, not just PG. read back.

But I will say this, If you have a player and you need to surround that player with a very specific group of players at the other 4 spots to make up for his deficiencies, then he isn’t a star player. He’s also a role player, just one whose best skill happens to be scoring. We used to see this argument with Bargnani, that he just needed to be surrounded with the right 4 players and the Raps could make it work. The better solution is don’t try and build around severely flawed players because it will just leave you in the lottery year after year. The thing with Sexton is that his problems aren’t just at the defensive end, he doesn’t pass either. And you never want a lead scorer who’s a black hole.
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Post#29 » by The_Hater » Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:11 am

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mg wrote:
Such a bad take. I hope opposing GM's do feel this way and the Cavs can resign him on the cheap. Change out Sexton for Donovam Mitchell and I doubt the Jazz would lose a beat tbh.


He’s a terrible distributor and a terrible defender, which anyone not wearing rose coloured glasses already knows, and them you come in here calling that a bad take and counter with he’s as good as Donavan Mitchell. Hilarious.

The irony od your post is off the charts.


He's improved his assist rate every single season not to mention is one of the most efficient scorers in the league. Why not actually watch a few games before you start spewing your hate loser behind a keyboard. Makin up crazy scenarios like he would freeze out Zion..real fantasyland stuff right there.


He improved his assist rate from wretched for a small guard to slightly better than wretched. But that coincided with an increase in his usage rate so it should have been expected. He’s still a black hole. And his offensive efficiency is only slightly above average, he’s not some highly efficient scorer which would make his other issues easier to swallow.

As for Zion ‘would never see the ball, obviously that’s hyperbole. But the point there is you don’t want your 3rd best player monopolizing the ball. And that’s who Sexton is at this point. He’s not Trae Young, another terrible defender who brings so much overall skill to the offensive end that you work around that one glaring flaw.

You see Donavon Mitchell, I see younger Lou Williams playing 35 mpg. That’s much closer to who he is.
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Post#30 » by NO-KG-AI » Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:12 am

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John Murdoch wrote:Cavs acting like they need win now pieces . What is even their core outside of Garland and Mobley ? Just a mess

All them years tanking/lotto picks and that's it.

I mean. Since LeBron left, they’ve had 8, 5, 5 and 3rd picks in the last 4 drafts.

Sexton, Garland, Okoro and Mobley.

They’ve got two guys that look like solid to really good picks at their spot, and the last two, the jury is still out, but I’d bet on Mobley being anywhere from very good to great.

Sexton and Garland might not be a perfect fit, but hitting draft picks is the important and hard part.
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Post#31 » by kobyz » Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:53 am

Larry Nance Jr for Cam Reddish make sense
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Post#32 » by FinnTheHuman » Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:41 am

kobyz wrote:Larry Nance Jr for Cam Reddish make sense


How would that make sense when Atl has the John Collins/Gallo PF rotation? Nance as a backup center to Capella? Yeah, I'm gonna explode from all the sense it makes
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Post#33 » by hauntedcomputer » Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:57 am

Wolves21 wrote:Grizzles would be crazy to trade Brooks unless their getting and all star caliber talent back in return.He's a 25 year old SG/SF who's going to be able to get you 20PPG per night and seem to me at least to be kind of the heart,soul and leader of the team.I would love if my Wolves could find away to nab him in the deal with Beverly.


An inefficient iso ballhog who doesn't give you anything else? He's addition by subtraction. He needs to get out of the way so the young guys can develop. Anybody can get you 20 ppg but not many shoot 42 percent doing it.

Kyle's fine on any team because he's well-rounded and knows his role.
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Post#34 » by eminence » Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:09 pm

Would love Anderson on either GS or Utah, Brooks I'm not as sold on, but could be part of a bigger deal from GS if Wiggins/Wiseman were involved.
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Post#35 » by cupcakesnake » Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:14 pm

I'm as big a fan of SloMo as anyone. Love watching him play, love the versatility and 2-way play. However, he is on my list of guys that I need to see if the shooting improvement is real. Too many guys had outlier shooting seasons last year without crowds.

If Kyle Anderson is a 36% 3-point shooter (on 4 attempts per) now, then he's the perfect wing glue guy for most teams. He gives you versatile defense, great hands, extra playmaking, ball handling, and the ability to play 4 positions on both ends. He slots into any lineup if he can shoot. If he goes back to being a sub 30% 3-point shooter, he's basically a backup 4 and needs to play in lineups with enough shooting.
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Post#36 » by cupcakesnake » Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:25 pm

John Murdoch wrote:Cavs acting like they need win now pieces . What is even their core outside of Garland and Mobley ? Just a mess


The rumor is that the Cavs want Cam Reddish. That's not a win-now piece, that's them adding a young prospect on the wing. Cam Reddish (despite a little random blurp of production in the playoffs) isn't considered a win-now piece by anyone.

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kobyz wrote:Larry Nance Jr for Cam Reddish make sense


How would that make sense when Atl has the John Collins/Gallo PF rotation? Nance as a backup center to Capella? Yeah, I'm gonna explode from all the sense it makes


I don't think Hawks see Gallo as a long-term solution. He already gets mentioned in every Hawks trade rumor or even as a salary they need to get off. Gallo is 33-years-old and most of the Hawks core (Trae, Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, Okongwu, Jalen Johnson, Sharife Cooper) are 23 and under (Capela is 26, Bogbog is 28). Nance is 28. Not a perfect age gap but still 5 years younger than Gallo. He's also a defensive piece, something the Hawks sorely lack. Nance has enough versatility to play small ball 5; a nice option for a team that fell apart defensively whenever Capela sat. I think he'd upgrade the Hawks defensively and add more lineup flexibility, without really taking anything away. The Hawks have so much firepower that I see Gallo as more of a luxury than a crucial piece.
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Post#37 » by Synciere » Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:37 pm

A lot of love for Slo Mo, but Brooks is he better/more valuable player IMO. Memphis coming out and saying he’s off the table doesn’t surprise me at all. If Memphis is giving up players like this it should be for an upgrade, not to get younger or future draft picks.
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Post#38 » by HotelVitale » Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:50 pm

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Wolves21 wrote:Grizzles would be crazy to trade Brooks unless their getting and all star caliber talent back in return.He's a 25 year old SG/SF who's going to be able to get you 20PPG per night and seem to me at least to be kind of the heart,soul and leader of the team.I would love if my Wolves could find away to nab him in the deal with Beverly.


An inefficient iso ballhog who doesn't give you anything else? He's addition by subtraction. He needs to get out of the way so the young guys can develop. Anybody can get you 20 ppg but not many shoot 42 percent doing it.


Yeah I'm surprised by the Brooks love, the only thing that's been said on these boards about him for years is that he's inefficient and has awkward shot selection. He wasn't viewed as a super valuable 20ppg scorer last year, and he also turns 26 this season so it's not like he's got a ton of growing to do.

Guessing this is all because of his great shooting in the PO? That's totally fair since he was a monster against the Jazz, but that was 5 games and we have a much longer track record of him not shooting well and finding consistent ways to score efficiently.
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Post#39 » by FinnTheHuman » Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:56 pm

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kobyz wrote:Larry Nance Jr for Cam Reddish make sense


How would that make sense when Atl has the John Collins/Gallo PF rotation? Nance as a backup center to Capella? Yeah, I'm gonna explode from all the sense it makes


I don't think Hawks see Gallo as a long-term solution. He already gets mentioned in every Hawks trade rumor or even as a salary they need to get off. Gallo is 33-years-old and most of the Hawks core (Trae, Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, Okongwu, Jalen Johnson, Sharife Cooper) are 23 and under (Capela is 26, Bogbog is 28). Nance is 28. Not a perfect age gap but still 5 years younger than Gallo. He's also a defensive piece, something the Hawks sorely lack. Nance has enough versatility to play small ball 5; a nice option for a team that fell apart defensively whenever Capela sat. I think he'd upgrade the Hawks defensively and add more lineup flexibility, without really taking anything away. The Hawks have so much firepower that I see Gallo as more of a luxury than a crucial piece.


I think you're underestimating Gallo's qualities, just like those guys who think he's not a value guy on that roster. Atlanta wants to compete now, Gallo is still gonna be a great offensive weapon in the playoffs for the next couple of seasons (and he had games where he was saving the Hawks bench from getting spanked in the playoffs by the virtue of being an elite shooter) while being an underrated defender, and meanwhile Nance missed over half a season because he's got Crohn's disease which shows up completely randomly and makes him unable to play. I don't think any GM on a 2nd tier contender would replace Gallo with a guy like Nance straight up just because Gallo is 5 years older. And I don't see how Nance is any better at small ball 5 than Gallo or Collins.

And I've never understood this 'team around the same age' argument, it's never had any correlation to success in the nba. It's okay to have this concept of having 2-4 guys who are 'core' around the same age, but trying to get rid of guys because they are in their 30's turned out to be a mistake for many. Guys won't magically stay on your roster just because they're all in their 20's, teams like that often fall apart for various reasons, while guys in their 30's can still turn out to be good until even 37 or 38. Look at CP3, Bojan, Ingles, Lopez, Crowder, Draymond, Conley, Lowry, Hayward, Millsap, Batum etc. Most of those guys are/were on the top echelon of teams, and nobody is trying to get rid of them just because they're not as young as their main stars, and whoever moved any of those guys in the past made a mistake. You don't move guys like Gallo unless you're rebuilding, and Atlanta's not rebuilding.
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Kyle Anderson's hairline is an absolute debacle. Would not want that trainwreck anywhere near my team

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