Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Godaddycurse]

Cleveland In: Adams, Brooks, Hermangomez
Cleveland out: Love, Sexton

Philly In: Rondo, Anderson, Sexton, 2022 Utah 1st, 2024 GSW 1st
Philly out: Simmons

Memphis out: Adams, Brooks, Anderson, Hermangomez, Rondo, 2022 Utah 1st, 2024 GSW 1st
Memphis in: Love, Simmons

JJJ/Tillman
Love/Clarke
Simmons/Williams
Bane/Melton
Morant/Jones

Embiid/Drummond
Harris/Niang
Anderson/Green
Sexton/Thybulle
Maxey/Rondo

Allen/Adams
Mobley/Nance Jr
Brooks/Osman
Okoro/Windler
Garland/Rubio

Why for Cleveland: Get a better fit in Brooks. People seem to value Sexton more so they get out of some of Love's money next year for the swap
Why for Philly: get a scoring guard to compliment embiid and a 2 way wing to replace simmon's defense (to an extent). Picks to balance the difference
Why for Memphis: consolidate assets for another young star

I like the trade.

Cavs fans don't like the idea of losing value on Sexton by moving him with Love but I think this trade makes a lot of sense for their team and they get to keep Nance. I like the idea of moving Love+Sexton in a trade to a team that takes on Simmons, even with a different team than Memphis.

Was thinking Memphis can be a poor man version of lebrons cavs... simmons = lebron, morant = irving, JJJ = love.

[zimpy27]

Cleveland In: Adams, Brooks, Hermangomez
Cleveland out: Love, Sexton

Philly In: Rondo, Anderson, Sexton, 2022 Utah 1st, 2024 GSW 1st
Philly out: Simmons

Memphis out: Adams, Brooks, Anderson, Hermangomez, Rondo, 2022 Utah 1st, 2024 GSW 1st
Memphis in: Love, Simmons

JJJ/Tillman
Love/Clarke
Simmons/Williams
Bane/Melton
Morant/Jones

Embiid/Drummond
Harris/Niang
Anderson/Green
Sexton/Thybulle
Maxey/Rondo

Allen/Adams
Mobley/Nance Jr
Brooks/Osman
Okoro/Windler
Garland/Rubio

Why for Cleveland: Get a better fit in Brooks. People seem to value Sexton more so they get out of some of Love's money next year for the swap
Why for Philly: get a scoring guard to compliment embiid and a 2 way wing to replace simmon's defense (to an extent). Picks to balance the difference
Why for Memphis: consolidate assets for another young star

I like the trade.

Cavs fans don't like the idea of losing value on Sexton by moving him with Love but I think this trade makes a lot of sense for their team and they get to keep Nance. I like the idea of moving Love+Sexton in a trade to a team that takes on Simmons, even with a different team than Memphis.

Was thinking Memphis can be a poor man version of lebrons cavs... simmons = lebron, morant = irving, JJJ = love.

Yeah I can see that, that could be a nice route for Memphis.

I've been trying to link Spurs in to get Simmons and this could be an interesting way backing off your idea:

Spurs give Murray+Poeltl+Lonnie+Aminu+Young and get Simmons+Love+Joe
White, Vassell, McDermott, Simmons, Love -- Tre, Primo, Keldon, Collins, Landale -- Joe, Forbes, Hutchison, Samanic, Eubanks

Cavs give Love+Sexton and get Poeltl+Lonnie+Aminu+Milton
Garland, Okoro, Lonnie, Mobley, Allen -- Rubio, Milton, Cedi, Nance, Poeltl -- Dotson, Windler, Aminu, Wade, Kabengele

Sixers give Simmons+Joe+Milton and get Murray+Sexton+Young
Murray, Curry, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Sexton, Maxey, Thybulle, Niang, Drummond -- Springer, Korkmaz, Tolliver, Reed, Young

[DWhiteMamba]

That's still a terrible trade, and it shows a lack of understanding of player value. Love is on a horrid contract, and is so bad the Cavs aren't playing him. He is so bad right now he turned up to the Olympic camp and was so out of shape they could see right away he was in no condition to even contribute to the squad. Yet in the scenario above you think he's starting for us, I assume because we're trying to tank? The value is also off. We're giving up way too much for Simmons. Also who is Joe?

[zimpy27]

That's still a terrible trade, and it shows a lack of understanding of player value. Love is on a horrid contract, and is so bad the Cavs aren't playing him. He is so bad right now he turned up to the Olympic camp and was so out of shape they could see right away he was in no condition to even contribute to the squad. Yet in the scenario above you think he's starting for us, I assume because we're trying to tank? The value is also off. We're giving up way too much for Simmons. Also who is Joe?

Joe is Isaiah Joe.. Would you prefer Springer? Or do you think Reed is more the value gap?



What about this as a simpler deal?

Spurs give Murray+Poeltl+Vassell+Aminu and get Simmons+Nance
White, Lonnie, McDermott, Simmons, Nance -- Tre, Primo, Keldon, Young, Landale -- Forbes, Hutchison, Samanic, Collins, Eubanks

Cavs give Sexton+Nance and get Poeltl+Vassell+Milton
Garland, Okoro, Vassell, Mobley, Allen -- Rubio, Windler, Cedi, Wade, Poeltl -- Milton, Dotson, Lamar, Wade, Kabengele

Sixers give Simmons+Milton and get Sexton+Murray+Aminu
Murray, Curry, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Sexton, Maxey, Thybulle, Niang, Drummond -- Springer, Joe, Korkmaz, Aminu, Reed

[DWhiteMamba]

The Cavs just (foolishly) overpaid J.Allen to be their 5. Why are they after Poeltl? Why do the Spurs want Nance? Take out Nance and leave us Poeltl. Just take the Cavs out of the deal altogether probably. Poeltl may not be a great fit next to Simmons, but he's a better player than Nance (who also isn't a good fit). You seem to have a weird view of Cavs players values. Nance isn't good enough to start for us. We're not likely to start McDermott either. Why would Keldon be coming off the bench? Just bizarre line-ups you're proposing.

Here is our probable current line-up for future reference; Murray, White, Poeltl, Vassell & Keldon in the starting 5. Thad, McD, Lonny & Forbes off the bench, probably in that order. If Zach Collins gets back and looks good he can work his way into either the starters or the bench mob, depending on how much he looks like old Zach Collins. The 3rd string is Tre, Eubanks, Jock, Samanic and Primo (who will mostly in Austin this year). Tre might steal alot of minutes too, especially in back to backs and when guys are resting.

[cool93]

While I like Murray+Sexton duo, problem is Sexton is pretty much a rental for Sixers in this scenario. There is no way they can pay him what he'll demand.

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[toooskies]

While I like Murray+Sexton duo, problem is Sexton is pretty much a rental for Sixers in this scenario. There is no way they can pay him what he'll demand.

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He won't be able to demand that much if he's a 6th man on a contender. If he's more than that, great, that probably means Philly becomes a favorite for the title. The reason he'd be overpaid is if he's the star of a bad team. Put him in the context of a good team and he'll probably not get any ridiculous offers.

[zimpy27]

While I like Murray+Sexton duo, problem is Sexton is pretty much a rental for Sixers in this scenario. There is no way they can pay him what he'll demand.

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He won't be able to demand that much if he's a 6th man on a contender. If he's more than that, great, that probably means Philly becomes a favorite for the title. The reason he'd be overpaid is if he's the star of a bad team. Put him in the context of a good team and he'll probably not get any ridiculous offers.

Yeah exactly. He will get paid as a super 6th man, which is usually maxed out at ~$20m. Philly aren't even in tax after the moves. They can afford to take on more salary.

[Wolveswin]

Not a big fan of Edwards in a Simmons deal, highly unlikely, so here we go…

To Raptors: Edwards + Harris + Beverley + 76ers 1st or two?

To 76ers: Siakam + FVV + Prince + Saves 6M and out of tax (from my math)

To Wolves: Simmons + Boucher + Maxey + 76ers 1st or two?

Raptors fast forward their rebuild with Edwards, Barnes, and what should be a 2022 tank 1st. Harris mentors Barnes and is showcased until he can be flipped.

76ers get youngish all star level talent age perfect with Embiid.
Embiid
Siakam
Green | Prince
Thybulle | Milton
FVV | Curry

Wolves finally are convinced to trade Edwards for Simmons++ and surround him with shooting everywhere.
Towns | Reid
Simmons | Boucher or McDaniels
Boucher or McDaniels
Beasley | Okogie
Russell | Maxey

[Krapinsky]

Cleveland In: Adams, Brooks, Hermangomez
Cleveland out: Love, Sexton

Philly In: Rondo, Anderson, Sexton, 2022 Utah 1st, 2024 GSW 1st
Philly out: Simmons

Memphis out: Adams, Brooks, Anderson, Hermangomez, Rondo, 2022 Utah 1st, 2024 GSW 1st
Memphis in: Love, Simmons

JJJ/Tillman
Love/Clarke
Simmons/Williams
Bane/Melton
Morant/Jones

Embiid/Drummond
Harris/Niang
Anderson/Green
Sexton/Thybulle
Maxey/Rondo

Allen/Adams
Mobley/Nance Jr
Brooks/Osman
Okoro/Windler
Garland/Rubio

Why for Cleveland: Get a better fit in Brooks. People seem to value Sexton more so they get out of some of Love's money next year for the swap
Why for Philly: get a scoring guard to compliment embiid and a 2 way wing to replace simmon's defense (to an extent). Picks to balance the difference
Why for Memphis: consolidate assets for another young star

Simmons has to be worth more than this, right? Those picks are not great. I feel like any number of teams GSW included would outbid this package if this is all it took to get Simmons.

[E S V L]

https://ripcityproject.com/2021/08/24/3-team-trade-land-portland-trail-blazers-kyle-anderson-dillon-brooks/

Any thoughts?

[MoneyTalks41890]

https://ripcityproject.com/2021/08/24/3-team-trade-land-portland-trail-blazers-kyle-anderson-dillon-brooks/

Any thoughts?

I don't hate the concept if Philly is willing to take CJ+picks for Simmons, which I'm not sure about, but the specific picks involved are bad. They are all late, they are all next year. If I'm Philly and I'm willing to break Simmons into parts, I want Zaire Williams or I want the 24 GS 1st and two distant unprotected Grizzlies firsts.

But I also don't think the Grizzlies have the personnel to play with Simmons. You need shooters and Ja, JJJ, Adams are all varying degrees of not good enough.

[eminence]

https://ripcityproject.com/2021/08/24/3-team-trade-land-portland-trail-blazers-kyle-anderson-dillon-brooks/

Any thoughts?

Pretty good base I haven't seen so far. I like it. The trade could be done notably sooner with Tyus in place of Rondo and I don't think that's a huge change in value, simplify the picks a bit. My very minor tweaks:

To Grizzlies:
Simmons

To Sixers:
McCollum
'22 Utah 1st
'22 LAL 1st
'22 Mem 1st

To Blazers:
Dillon Brooks
Kyle Anderson
Tyus Jones

[mademan]

https://ripcityproject.com/2021/08/24/3-team-trade-land-portland-trail-blazers-kyle-anderson-dillon-brooks/

Any thoughts?

Pretty good base I haven't seen so far. I like it. The trade could be done notably sooner with Tyus in place of Rondo and I don't think that's a huge change in value, simplify the picks a bit. My very minor tweaks:

To Grizzlies:
Simmons

To Sixers:
McCollum
'22 Utah 1st
'22 LAL 1st
'22 Mem 1st

To Blazers:
Dillon Brooks
Kyle Anderson
Tyus Jones

If the goal is to convince Dame not to demand out, i dont know why Portland doesnt just add these late picks and keep Simmons themselves. Moreover, if Philly was willing to accept CJ+ 3 1st rounders that are probably late, the deal would be done by now, imo.

[toooskies]

https://ripcityproject.com/2021/08/24/3-team-trade-land-portland-trail-blazers-kyle-anderson-dillon-brooks/

Any thoughts?

Pretty good base I haven't seen so far. I like it. The trade could be done notably sooner with Tyus in place of Rondo and I don't think that's a huge change in value, simplify the picks a bit. My very minor tweaks:

To Grizzlies:
Simmons

To Sixers:
McCollum
'22 Utah 1st
'22 LAL 1st
'22 Mem 1st

To Blazers:
Dillon Brooks
Kyle Anderson
Tyus Jones

I don't have any idea why Portland would do this. It's not a step towards contending and might even prompt Lillard to ask to leave.

[eminence]

https://ripcityproject.com/2021/08/24/3-team-trade-land-portland-trail-blazers-kyle-anderson-dillon-brooks/

Any thoughts?

Pretty good base I haven't seen so far. I like it. The trade could be done notably sooner with Tyus in place of Rondo and I don't think that's a huge change in value, simplify the picks a bit. My very minor tweaks:

To Grizzlies:
Simmons

To Sixers:
McCollum
'22 Utah 1st
'22 LAL 1st
'22 Mem 1st

To Blazers:
Dillon Brooks
Kyle Anderson
Tyus Jones

I don't have any idea why Portland would do this. It's not a step towards contending and might even prompt Lillard to ask to leave.

Sounds like an indictment of Lillards talent evaluation.

But yes to the above, Portland could also look to trade CJ/future picks for Simmons.

[kuclas]

https://ripcityproject.com/2021/08/24/3-team-trade-land-portland-trail-blazers-kyle-anderson-dillon-brooks/

Any thoughts?

Pretty good base I haven't seen so far. I like it. The trade could be done notably sooner with Tyus in place of Rondo and I don't think that's a huge change in value, simplify the picks a bit. My very minor tweaks:

To Grizzlies:
Simmons

To Sixers:
McCollum
'22 Utah 1st
'22 LAL 1st
'22 Mem 1st

To Blazers:
Dillon Brooks
Kyle Anderson
Tyus Jones

Just cut the Sixers out of it

Mccollum and 3 late first to Memphis
To blazers brooks Anderson and Jones.

There. Seems like a fair trade for blazers and grizzlies

The Sixers just run it back with Simmons at least to start the season.

[eminence]

https://ripcityproject.com/2021/08/24/3-team-trade-land-portland-trail-blazers-kyle-anderson-dillon-brooks/

Any thoughts?

Pretty good base I haven't seen so far. I like it. The trade could be done notably sooner with Tyus in place of Rondo and I don't think that's a huge change in value, simplify the picks a bit. My very minor tweaks:

To Grizzlies:
Simmons

To Sixers:
McCollum
'22 Utah 1st
'22 LAL 1st
'22 Mem 1st

To Blazers:
Dillon Brooks
Kyle Anderson
Tyus Jones

Just cut the Sixers out of it

Mccollum and 3 late first to Memphis
To blazers brooks Anderson and Jones.

There. Seems like a fair trade for blazers and grizzlies

The Sixers just run it back with Simmons at least to start the season.

If you're not interested in the Sixers being involved that's fine, but that's a complete misread of my post.

Why oh why would the 3 firsts still be involved if Simmons weren't in the deal? In my post 3 picks are going from Memphis to Philly. Why in your adjustment is Portland sending 3 to Memphis?

I don't see Memphis as nearly interested enough in CJ (vs Simmons) to include 3 1sts, even without them CJ just doesn't fit the lineup/timeline for Memphis like Simmons would.

[kuclas]

Pretty good base I haven't seen so far. I like it. The trade could be done notably sooner with Tyus in place of Rondo and I don't think that's a huge change in value, simplify the picks a bit. My very minor tweaks:

To Grizzlies:
Simmons

To Sixers:
McCollum
'22 Utah 1st
'22 LAL 1st
'22 Mem 1st

To Blazers:
Dillon Brooks
Kyle Anderson
Tyus Jones

Just cut the Sixers out of it

Mccollum and 3 late first to Memphis
To blazers brooks Anderson and Jones.

There. Seems like a fair trade for blazers and grizzlies

The Sixers just run it back with Simmons at least to start the season.

If you're not interested in the Sixers being involved that's fine, but that's a complete misread of my post.

Why oh why would the 3 firsts still be involved if Simmons weren't in the deal? In my post 3 picks are going from Memphis to Philly. Why in your adjustment is Portland sending 3 to Memphis?

I don't see Memphis as nearly interested enough in CJ (vs Simmons) to include 3 1sts, even without them CJ just doesn't fit the lineup/timeline for Memphis like Simmons would.

Sixers are still without a true point guard. That’s the bigger issue.

They can’t play CJ plus Seth Curry on the same floor. Both horrible defenders.

Sixers don’t need 2022 late first rounds picks. It they are hedging both immediate and future the first round pick will be needed in 2024-2025 where it’s unknown which is far better than knowing the likely hood of a 2022 pick.

[NYG]

The problem is the best option for CJ + picks right now is Ben Simmons and the best option for Simmons + picks right now is Damian Lillard. Until that changes, we won't see a deal.

I think a guy like Beal would need to agree to an extension in a Simmons swap to break the stalemate or Portland finds a way to do a CJ for Siakam type of deal. Otherwise each teams best deal is with eachother for different players.