Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[SO_MONEY]

harris is better than dlo though:/ and Embiid better than Towns lately.

Which is why he needs to be added to Kat, DLo and ANT at minimum or we became Philly at best. Might as well put Simmons on the market the second you get him, because we know that is not a winning formula.

What. The. ****.

The 76ers have been HCA playoff team 3 of the last 4 years. They’ve never finished below the 6th seed in that span.

We’ve made the playoffs once in like 17 years.

And you say we’d be like them as if it’s a bad thing? The hell is wrong with you?

Being them is bad. That team is capped and Simmons is holding it back. That is where you want to be, but worse? The only thing worse than being bad, is middling. So if you take that path, just get ready to trade Simmons because history will repeat itself.

[Slim Tubby]

Toronto has put the siakam rumours to rest (for now). They are going to wait and see how he does when he comes back from injury and decide again come trade deadline whether to trade him or not. Wolves will need a different 3rd team to pry Simmons loose from Morey.

I agree…highly unlikely TOR involves Siakam. The Raptors have too much talent when healthy to start a re-build.


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[Note30]

Which is why he needs to be added to Kat, DLo and ANT at minimum or we became Philly at best. Might as well put Simmons on the market the second you get him, because we know that is not a winning formula.

What. The. ****.

The 76ers have been HCA playoff team 3 of the last 4 years. They’ve never finished below the 6th seed in that span.

We’ve made the playoffs once in like 17 years.

And you say we’d be like them as if it’s a bad thing? The hell is wrong with you?

Being them is bad. That team is capped and Simmons is holding it back. That is where you want to be, but worse? The only thing worse than being bad, is middling. So if you take that path, just get ready to trade Simmons because history will repeat itself.

Basically either we are a team that wins a ring/can or not.

It's a pretty decent mentality. If Simmons was highly tradeable asset, then every team who is in that position would be vying to get him.

Let's put it this way I and probably most of the posters who are against trading for Simmons wouldn't be against trading for him if the target was a young KD.

Simmons is not the piece that wins this team a championship and for that fact most teams.

Let's put it this way, if we were talking about trading for Giannis, I would throw most everything sans KAT to get Giannis.

Because once you have a Giannis/Luka/Curry/Durant type player you just need to fill in the blanks. You don't have to worry about whether or not he has teammates that score more than them.

Simmons isn't a face of the franchise player, but he's definitely being paid as one. I feel like a lot of posters don't grasp that.

He's not an upper tier franchise cornerstone player. He's just disgruntled star who has a lot going against him.

[shangrila]

Which is why he needs to be added to Kat, DLo and ANT at minimum or we became Philly at best. Might as well put Simmons on the market the second you get him, because we know that is not a winning formula.

What. The. ****.

The 76ers have been HCA playoff team 3 of the last 4 years. They’ve never finished below the 6th seed in that span.

We’ve made the playoffs once in like 17 years.

And you say we’d be like them as if it’s a bad thing? The hell is wrong with you?

Being them is bad. That team is capped and Simmons is holding it back. That is where you want to be, but worse? The only thing worse than being bad, is middling. So if you take that path, just get ready to trade Simmons because history will repeat itself.

At this point, “middling” would be such an astronomical improvement for us it would be almost unbelievable.

I’m honestly amazed to hear this kind of stuff from a Wolves fan.

[Neeva]

No surprise that the thirsty for relevency wolves fan have zero patience!

[SO_MONEY]

What. The. ****.

The 76ers have been HCA playoff team 3 of the last 4 years. They’ve never finished below the 6th seed in that span.

We’ve made the playoffs once in like 17 years.

And you say we’d be like them as if it’s a bad thing? The hell is wrong with you?

Being them is bad. That team is capped and Simmons is holding it back. That is where you want to be, but worse? The only thing worse than being bad, is middling. So if you take that path, just get ready to trade Simmons because history will repeat itself.

At this point, “middling” would be such an astronomical improvement for us it would be almost unbelievable.

I’m honestly amazed to hear this kind of stuff from a Wolves fan.

Middling would be worse than being bad.

[Klomp]

Middling would be worse than being bad.

So you're saying you would rather have the current iteration of the Timberwolves over the 1996-2004 Timberwolves?

[Klomp]

I don't see Russell being included in any package for Simmons but if Rosas and Finch truly believe in Simmons, they'll include McDaniels and won't look back. That doesn't mean that I'd be happy about it. If it's 3-way deal with PHI, TOR and MIN, this would be the logical building blocks considering PHI will need a PG:

MIN in: Simmons & Boucher (total out: $18,337,865; total in: $40,023,936)
PHI in: Siakam & Dragic (total out: $33,003,936; total in: $52,443,936)
TOR in: Beasley, McDaniels, Reid & three (3) FRP's (MIN - 2 & PHI - 1) (total out: $40,023,936; total in: $18,337,865)

Matching salaries could be a struggle, though.

Struggle, indeed.

[jpatrick]

Toronto has put the siakam rumours to rest (for now). They are going to wait and see how he does when he comes back from injury and decide again come trade deadline whether to trade him or not. Wolves will need a different 3rd team to pry Simmons loose from Morey.

I agree…highly unlikely TOR involves Siakam. The Raptors have too much talent when healthy to start a re-build.


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I think if Toronto is involved, FVV/Dragic much more likely to be the piece involved. Siakam is a bad fit with Harris/Embiid.

Prince to Toronto and draft assets from MN.
Beasley and FVV to Philly with lots of draft assets from MN.
Simmons to MN.

Not sure that’ll get it done but something like that. Gives Philly two win-now guards plus draft assets to go after Lillard/Beal if/when they become available.

[shrink]

Just to put some numbers to Simmons trade without DLo …

The three max deals will cost you $100. Edwards is anther $10. Lux threshold is $136.

[jpatrick]

Just to put some numbers to Simmons trade without DLo …

The three max deals will cost you $100. Edwards is anther $10. Lux threshold is $136.

That’s actually not that bad. The bigger concern is when DLo’s deal comes up again and Edwards wants another max. Although, everything seems to suggest that the cap is about to go way up when the new TV deal kicks in in a couple years, giving us some more room and making these deals seem better.

[shangrila]

Being them is bad. That team is capped and Simmons is holding it back. That is where you want to be, but worse? The only thing worse than being bad, is middling. So if you take that path, just get ready to trade Simmons because history will repeat itself.

At this point, “middling” would be such an astronomical improvement for us it would be almost unbelievable.

I’m honestly amazed to hear this kind of stuff from a Wolves fan.

Middling would be worse than being bad.

No it wouldn’t

[Krapinsky]

Philadelphia has managed pretty dang well with Harris and Simmons contracts. If we could be remotely close to Philadelphia's success post Simmons trade, i'd think we did something right.

harris is better than dlo though:/ and Embiid better than Towns lately.

Which is why he needs to be added to Kat, DLo and ANT at minimum or we became Philly at best. Might as well put Simmons on the market the second you get him, because we know that is not a winning formula.

How does a Wolves fan have this sense of entitlement?

Don't go after posters. -Dome

[Krapinsky]

Just to put some numbers to Simmons trade without DLo …

The three max deals will cost you $100. Edwards is anther $10. Lux threshold is $136.

At some point if team wants to win ownership has to commit to paying the tax. But just because D-Lo isn’t in the trade doesn’t mean we’re married to D-Lo. We could always play it out a year with that trifecta and then get off the contract.

[KGdaBom]

What. The. ****.

The 76ers have been HCA playoff team 3 of the last 4 years. They’ve never finished below the 6th seed in that span.

We’ve made the playoffs once in like 17 years.

And you say we’d be like them as if it’s a bad thing? The hell is wrong with you?

Being them is bad. That team is capped and Simmons is holding it back. That is where you want to be, but worse? The only thing worse than being bad, is middling. So if you take that path, just get ready to trade Simmons because history will repeat itself.

Basically either we are a team that wins a ring/can or not.

It's a pretty decent mentality. If Simmons was highly tradeable asset, then every team who is in that position would be vying to get him.

Let's put it this way I and probably most of the posters who are against trading for Simmons wouldn't be against trading for him if the target was a young KD.

Simmons is not the piece that wins this team a championship and for that fact most teams.

Let's put it this way, if we were talking about trading for Giannis, I would throw most everything sans KAT to get Giannis.

Because once you have a Giannis/Luka/Curry/Durant type player you just need to fill in the blanks. You don't have to worry about whether or not he has teammates that score more than them.

Simmons isn't a face of the franchise player, but he's definitely being paid as one. I feel like a lot of posters don't grasp that.

He's not an upper tier franchise cornerstone player. He's just disgruntled star who has a lot going against him.

You really believe this stuff you post?

[KGdaBom]

Middling would be worse than being bad.

So you're saying you would rather have the current iteration of the Timberwolves over the 1996-2004 Timberwolves?

The 96-2004 Wolves brought me great joy.

[fattymcgee]

No surprise that the thirsty for relevency wolves fan have zero patience!

Wow that is a dumb comment.
No patience!?! We've been waiting for 17 years to have any relevance.

How many effing times can this franchise "rebuild"?

[Klomp]

No surprise that the thirsty for relevency wolves fan have zero patience!

Wow that is a dumb comment.
No patience!?! We've been waiting for 17 years to have any relevance.

How many effing times can this franchise "rebuild"?

You think that trading for an all-star is rebuilding?

[Note30]

Being them is bad. That team is capped and Simmons is holding it back. That is where you want to be, but worse? The only thing worse than being bad, is middling. So if you take that path, just get ready to trade Simmons because history will repeat itself.

Basically either we are a team that wins a ring/can or not.

It's a pretty decent mentality. If Simmons was highly tradeable asset, then every team who is in that position would be vying to get him.

Let's put it this way I and probably most of the posters who are against trading for Simmons wouldn't be against trading for him if the target was a young KD.

Simmons is not the piece that wins this team a championship and for that fact most teams.

Let's put it this way, if we were talking about trading for Giannis, I would throw most everything sans KAT to get Giannis.

Because once you have a Giannis/Luka/Curry/Durant type player you just need to fill in the blanks. You don't have to worry about whether or not he has teammates that score more than them.

Simmons isn't a face of the franchise player, but he's definitely being paid as one. I feel like a lot of posters don't grasp that.

He's not an upper tier franchise cornerstone player. He's just disgruntled star who has a lot going against him.

You really believe this stuff you post?

If you don't have an argument or anything to contribute don't post.

[Krapinsky]

Basically either we are a team that wins a ring/can or not.

This is literally the mindset of the process which led to tanking and drafting Simmons in the first place. With this logic we can tank, hope to find the next Lebron or Giannis in the draft, hope they develop into a top 3 NBA player, and then hope they elect to resign with MN for the long haul. Good luck with all that. That requires so much good fortune and luck and the process is much much harder now because of the lottery odds.

It's a pretty decent mentality. If Simmons was highly tradeable asset, then every team who is in that position would be vying to get him.

This is not a logical statement. Every team would be trying to get him if the asking price was right. It takes two teams to make a trade and all reports are that Morey is asking for the moon for Simmons. Just because there aren’t teams out there willing to trade a young star and 4 first rounders sandwiched between pick swaps doesn’t mean Simmons isn’t highly tradeable.

Let's put it this way I and probably most of the posters who are against trading for Simmons wouldn't be against trading for him if the target was a young KD.

You win he’s not young KD lol. What a silly statement. No team is going to trade a young KD unless forced to and in that scenario the young KD isn’t forcing his way to MN.

Simmons is not the piece that wins this team a championship and for that fact most teams.

It’s pretty hard if not impossible to go from 23 to 1st overnight. I don’t think anyone expect Simmons to be a miracle worker. There isnt a scenario where this team can make a trade that turns us into a title team. But it’s a good first start. After that it still might take 7-8 moves and two seasons to get there, and right now we can’t even plot those hypothetical scenarios. But we can move one step in the right direction toward making us a competitive playoff team.

Let's put it this way, if we were talking about trading for Giannis, I would throw most everything sans KAT to get Giannis.

You win Simmons isn’t Giannis lol. Another silly statement. Please explain why a team would trade a player like Giannis to MN? It’s not a realistic scenario so why compare Simmons to something that would never in 100 years ever happen?

Because once you have a Giannis/Luka/Curry/Durant type player you just need to fill in the blanks. You don't have to worry about whether or not he has teammates that score more than them.

Giannis only needed injured AD, injured Kawhi, and injured Harden/Kyrie.

Luke is no closer to a title than Simmons.

Steph needed 3-4 other hall of farmers on his team and an ownership willing to go way over the lux.

Durant had to go join Steph. How many titles did okc get?

Simmons isn't a face of the franchise player, but he's definitely being paid as one. I feel like a lot of posters don't grasp that.

A lot of max players aren’t the face of the franchise and on max deals. How much did Milwaukee pay Jrue? Cleveland pay Love? GSW pay Draymond and Klay?

Yet Simmons is #14 in total winshares the last 4 year, which suggests he’s more than worthy of his salary.

He's not an upper tier franchise cornerstone player. He's just disgruntled star who has a lot going against him.

That’s just your opinion and a poorly supported one at that.