Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[bondom34]

They never have to. They get traded to a preferred destination before it gets to that point

Players have requested trades before, but I've never seen a player sit out.

Simmons isnt gonna sit out, but if he follows the Harden route and just dogs it, Philly is gonna be forced to move him. Thats the real threat; "trade me now and have a normal training camp, or have this hang over your head, make a circus and be forced to trade me anyways."

This is plausible. I don't know I buy a player forfeiting their salary for this though, think that's a bit unprecedented.

Kawhi sat out. He was no more injured in 2018 than 2019 or 2020. He has a chronic injury that the Spurs correctly diagnosed, despite his insistence it would get better with rest, and he has been load managed for it since. Butler didn't exactly sit out. He just turned the team into a circus. Harden accepted he'd have to play or get fined, so he just dogged it. All 3 behaved in disgraceful ways, as Simmons i now, but unfortunately it's become a norm in today's league where contracts are apparently only one way agreements that players get to dishonour by teams do not.

Kawhi was injured. I know, I know, but Kawhi had and has a degenerative injury. He played at times in 2018, then was injured and traded preseason.

Edit: He also wasn't forfeiting pay.

[cool93]

What team has ever called that bluff for that period of time. No organization or GM has the luxury to put things on hold that long-as Philly about to learn

On the other hand what player has ever done this.

They never have to. They get traded to a preferred destination before it gets to that point

Have we ever seen a player who isn't the best in his team request a trade? I mean Sixers are still good if he sits out. I don't think this has happened before. And than you add 4 years of contract.
It's not like Clutch has anything to threaten either, no top FA signs in Philly either way.

[DWhiteMamba]

Players have requested trades before, but I've never seen a player sit out.


This is plausible. I don't know I buy a player forfeiting their salary for this though, think that's a bit unprecedented.

Kawhi sat out. He was no more injured in 2018 than 2019 or 2020. He has a chronic injury that the Spurs correctly diagnosed, despite his insistence it would get better with rest, and he has been load managed for it since. Butler didn't exactly sit out. He just turned the team into a circus. Harden accepted he'd have to play or get fined, so he just dogged it. All 3 behaved in disgraceful ways, as Simmons i now, but unfortunately it's become a norm in today's league where contracts are apparently only one way agreements that players get to dishonour by teams do not.

Kawhi was injured. I know, I know, but Kawhi had and has a degenerative injury. He played at times in 2018, then was injured and traded preseason.

Kawhi was ghosting the team, while killing it in workouts, and saying if he just rested his degenerative injury would get better. We said we would rule him out for the whole season if he wasn't healthy. He refused. We will not be able to prove it until these guys all retire and we get Pop or Buford's book, but I feel I am on pretty firm ground in saying Kawhi could have played, and simply chose not to. He told his own team mates as much in the team meeting they finally forced him to have, saying "I'll do anything for you guys, but not for this team". He didn't want to get ruled out because he wanted us to trade him, and just refused to come out and tell us that face to face until the 2019 offseason when we told him there was no way we'd even consider trading him until he finally stopped ghosting us and sat down with his employer. He did it for 10 minutes reluctantly, in LA, and said he wanted a trade to LA. He had not been with the team since the team meeting, after which he got on a plane and flew off from SA never to return as a player for the Spurs without even asking permission to do so.

I find it hard to believe the claims of Kawhi's injury because he had the exact same injury he denied having in future years, and he destroyed his credibility.

Kawhi wasn't forfeiting pay because if we did stuff like that it would make it harder to salvage the relationship. We were carrying his water on alot of this stuff, putting a positive PR spin on it. It's also hard to fine a guy or take his pay if he insists he's hurt; that was what Uncle Dennis wanted, and which we refused to do; make it look like we were trying to force the guy to play injured.

[zimpy27]

So, now that Klutch want their guys out of Philly, does that mean that Klutch guys can't be included in a trade for Simmons?

Interesting. This would imply Draymond probably not going to be a part of any GSW move.

Yep, I was angling at them sending Dejounte Murray but that looks dead too because of Klutch. That probably takes Spurs out of the running unless they part with White.

Edwards is also with Klutch and same with LaVine. This is a factor.

[Texas Chuck]

So, now that Klutch want their guys out of Philly, does that mean that Klutch guys can't be included in a trade for Simmons?

Interesting. This would imply Draymond probably not going to be a part of any GSW move.

Dray wouldn't have made any more sense in Philly than Simmons did so I think that was always going to take a 3rd team anyway, no?

[Scoot McGroot]

On the other hand what player has ever done this.

They never have to. They get traded to a preferred destination before it gets to that point

Have we ever seen a player who isn't the best in his team request a trade?

A lot? Last year from Indy, TJ Leaf requested a trade. TJ Leaf. Lots of guys request trades every year and teams accommodate it when they can, if they can. We hear about the stars a ton, but the lesser guys are more of reports of "so and so would like to be moved elsewhere" or "a team would look to move them on" kind of stuff.

[ecuhus1981]

The team who had consistently shown the most interest in Ben Simmons, Minnesota, will get their guy. The issue is, how?

I think it has to involve Anthony Edwards. The Wolves would love to move D'Angelo instead, but I think that KAT is still bound and determined to keep his BFF.

Philly would prefer a more playoff-ready player in return, so they are probably gauging AE interest to see which potential 3rd teams are ga-ga over him. If they can't return an exciting haul, they'll probably take him and hope he matures around Doc.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Indiana has always been pretty intriguing, and I think if they get Brogdon they could also try to get Sexton as the defensive fit wouldn’t be as awful as some other guards

[Texas Chuck]

I dunno man, to get booed by your own fans and regularly sh** on by them, I can see why he doesn't like Philly as a city or a team. I have watched the Spurs for a very long time and I have never, ever seen the fans boo the team, despite them probably deserving in numerous times the last two seasons with some ridiculously embarrassing home losses. Maybe it's just a small market team thing, but I don't think there's really any good reasons to boo your own team

Eh I wouldn't read anything into that. San Antonio is a one team town, has a very respectful and polite culture in general, and let's face it they have experienced basically no losing in any of their fans' lifetime. When you make the playoffs 90% of seasons for 50 years....

On the flip side, booing is baked into Philly's culture. It doesn't mean they hate their team, its just what they do. Remember they famously booed Santa Claus. They have booed seriously injured opponents, etc...

This is just like the Buffalo Bills fans throwing themselves through tables, Red Wing fans throwing octopi, Red Sox fans singing Sweet Caroline, its just what Philly fans do. It's a bit.

[azwfan]

Probably not realistic, but hope Philly hangs onto him and fines him for awhile before trading him. I doubt that will tank his value anymore than the summer leaks already have.

Not sure if this is making me anti-player, but dudes got 4 years on his deal. No problem requesting a trade but leaking the demands to tank your value is not professional.

Of course I guess this could be Philly leaking it to push the blame onto Simmons after Morey realized his astronomical asking price wasnt going to get met... but I doubt it.

[Texas Chuck]

They never have to. They get traded to a preferred destination before it gets to that point

Have we ever seen a player who isn't the best in his team request a trade?

A lot? Last year from Indy, TJ Leaf requested a trade. TJ Leaf. Lots of guys request trades every year and teams accommodate it when they can, if they can. We hear about the stars a ton, but the lesser guys are more of reports of "so and so would like to be moved elsewhere" or "a team would look to move them on" kind of stuff.

JJ Redick was a famous one. Who didn't get traded where he wanted and famously complained about it on his popular pod and still reported and played(the few games he was healthy enough to anyway) when traded not close to his family.

In Dallas alone the past two off-seasons Delon Wright and Jason Richardson asked for trades. After Richardson had asked Philly to trade him the year before.

Happens all the time.

[azwfan]

So, now that Klutch want their guys out of Philly, does that mean that Klutch guys can't be included in a trade for Simmons?

Interesting. This would imply Draymond probably not going to be a part of any GSW move.

Dray wouldn't have made any more sense in Philly than Simmons did so I think that was always going to take a 3rd team anyway, no?

Also takes Moody out.

I dont want Simmons on GSW now anyways though.

Now that GSW dont have any Minny draft picks I can go back to rooting for them (without REALLY caring)... so hope Minny or SAS lands him.

[bondom34]

Kawhi sat out. He was no more injured in 2018 than 2019 or 2020. He has a chronic injury that the Spurs correctly diagnosed, despite his insistence it would get better with rest, and he has been load managed for it since. Butler didn't exactly sit out. He just turned the team into a circus. Harden accepted he'd have to play or get fined, so he just dogged it. All 3 behaved in disgraceful ways, as Simmons i now, but unfortunately it's become a norm in today's league where contracts are apparently only one way agreements that players get to dishonour by teams do not.

Kawhi was injured. I know, I know, but Kawhi had and has a degenerative injury. He played at times in 2018, then was injured and traded preseason.

Kawhi was ghosting the team, while killing it in workouts, and saying if he just rested his degenerative injury would get better. We said we would rule him out for the whole season if he wasn't healthy. He refused. We will not be able to prove it until these guys all retire and we get Pop or Buford's book, but I feel I am on pretty firm ground in saying Kawhi could have played, and simply chose not to. He told his own team mates as much in the team meeting they finally forced him to have, saying "I'll do anything for you guys, but not for this team". He didn't want to get ruled out because he wanted us to trade him, and just refused to come out and tell us that face to face until the 2019 offseason when we told him there was no way we'd even consider trading him until he finally stopped ghosting us and sat down with his employer. He did it for 10 minutes reluctantly, in LA, and said he wanted a trade to LA. He had not been with the team since the team meeting, after which he got on a plane and flew off from SA never to return as a player for the Spurs without even asking permission to do so.

I find it hard to believe the claims of Kawhi's injury because he had the exact same injury he denied having in future years, and he destroyed his credibility.

Kawhi wasn't forfeiting pay because if we did stuff like that it would make it harder to salvage the relationship. We were carrying his water on alot of this stuff, putting a positive PR spin on it. It's also hard to fine a guy or take his pay if he insists he's hurt; that was what Uncle Dennis wanted, and which we refused to do; make it look like we were trying to force the guy to play injured.

So

1. He was getting paid.

2. He's still resting games due to this injury. He did so in Toronto and currently does so. He's not denying it that I've seen at all, or even heard of and both his future teams proactively rest him.

So... they're not really similar and Kawhi didn't sit out like this. He had a diagnosis from a doctor, just not the Spurs doctor. Simmons does not.

[Kordic27]

I’m gonna vote gsw because it’d be unwise for anyone other than LA or GS to trade for him. And Draymond may have irked management with that KD interview to enough of a degree for them to waive their feeling of loyalty towards him. So like draymond and a youngster (and maybe a first) for Simmons.

[Wolveswin]

We know this is the best deal (Dame isn’t happening):

To Wizards: Edwards + Maxey + Prince + 76ers 1sts

To 76ers: Beal + Beverley

To Wolves: Simmons + Kuzma + Holiday (via TPE)

But is the enough value for Wizards to finally move on from Beal?

Will Beal commit to 76ers?

Is Kuzma + Holiday enough ++ with Simmons to get Wolves to trade Edwards?

[patman66]

he will report and get a back spasm, or ruin the lockeroom, It is easy to say you wont report when he can exert more force by being disruptive and getting paid than staying home and not cashing a check. Just like Harden.

[PhillyNj]

he will report and get a back spasm, or ruin the lockeroom, It is easy to say you wont report when he can exert more force by being disruptive and getting paid than staying home and not cashing a check. Just like Harden.

Except Simmons is no Harden. The Sixers will be ok without Simmons. I hope they make him sit out the year.now that he’s Demanded a trade the Sixers can hit him where it hurts. The wallet.

[zimpy27]

Simmons for DLo and FRPs could happen IMO. That gives Minny a really nice team and gives Philly a win-now player with solid trade assets in case Lillard shakes free.

I believe Philly need to trade Simmons for assets that Blazers would want in a trade.

[bondom34]

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[DWhiteMamba]

So

1. He was getting paid.

2. He's still resting games due to this injury. He did so in Toronto and currently does so. He's not denying it that I've seen at all, or even heard of and both his future teams proactively rest him.

So... they're not really similar and Kawhi didn't sit out like this. He had a diagnosis from a doctor, just not the Spurs doctor. Simmons does not.

Oh, sure, the situation is different in the sense that Simmons has not claimed to be injured (yet). That may be coming. More likely this is going to be analogous to the Harden situation, which Morey also tried to call his bluff on. The dude will just come in and dog it.