Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[Klomp]

RoCo should never be the centerpiece for return haul when youre trading a Jimmy Butler. Unfortunately when your hands are tied-Hes the best return player when Butler forced his way out. Similar situation here. Plus the way he was utilized in Minnesota was a disaster. He’s not a second scoring option and that 1-20 game he had sticks out like a sore thumb. Rocos solid. But 4 teams in 4 years seems pretty dispensable to me- hence the term scraps

What I’m saying is stick to our guns. Giving up any of our big 3 would be catastrophic, specially Ant but that ain’t happening.

RoCo was traded by us for multiple FRPs. Not scraps.

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We got one. Beas is the only player on the active roster from that trade (just 18 months ago )and he’s obviously on the way out if we get Simmons.

I said he’s solid.

Essentially, we got two picks from HOU but we sent one to DEN for Beasley and Hernangomez which made the net gain one.

[SO_MONEY]

If Klutch wants Maxey out of PHI too, does this mean they wouldn’t want a Klutch client sent in?

Malik Beasley (EDIT: and Ant) are Klutch clients.

Just a thought, but what if Sacramento was the third team in a deal, with them essentially swapping Hield for Beasley? (other parts needed)

Was just thinking about them in comparison with each other in terms of attractiveness to PHI. I think they're similar players. Personally, I would take Beasley. I think they're similar players. Hield has better rep but Beasley is 4 years younger and a lot cheaper. But the Klutch comments plus age may actually make PHI want to do that.

I think this is an interesting observation. Not sure how the money works given Hield makes $22mil.

[KGdaBom]

RoCo should never be the centerpiece for return haul when youre trading a Jimmy Butler. Unfortunately when your hands are tied-Hes the best return player when Butler forced his way out. Similar situation here. Plus the way he was utilized in Minnesota was a disaster. He’s not a second scoring option and that 1-20 game he had sticks out like a sore thumb. Rocos solid. But 4 teams in 4 years seems pretty dispensable to me- hence the term scraps

What I’m saying is stick to our guns. Giving up any of our big 3 would be catastrophic, specially Ant but that ain’t happening.

RoCo was traded by us for multiple FRPs. Not scraps.

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We got one. Beas is the only player on the active roster from that trade (just 18 months ago )and he’s obviously on the way out if we get Simmons.

I said he’s solid.

We got two. We kept one and forwarded the other for Beasley and Hernangomez.

[Domejandro]

If Klutch wants Maxey out of PHI too, does this mean they wouldn’t want a Klutch client sent in?

MIN has one. Malik Beasley.

For what it is worth, the guy who said that is apparently the guy who locked in a Golden State/Simmons Draft day trade, but that aside, I really get the vibe that D’Angelo Russell may be a major piece going out. Zero reason for c that, just what I’m feeling.

Opposite feeling for me - I think the goal all along has been to bring together a Big 4 of DLO, Ant, Ben, and KAT. In addition, I think that Jaden is the perfect 5th piece to complement those 4 and feel that Rosas would chuck another 1st rounder at Morey instead of trading him away if it came to that.

I just don’t see it, from Philadelphia’s perspective. Malik Beasley, Partrick Beverly, and picks? Seems like a brutal return for them, I think Jaden has to be thrown in there, unfortunately.

[KGdaBom]

For what it is worth, the guy who said that is apparently the guy who locked in a Golden State/Simmons Draft day trade, but that aside, I really get the vibe that D’Angelo Russell may be a major piece going out. Zero reason for c that, just what I’m feeling.

Opposite feeling for me - I think the goal all along has been to bring together a Big 4 of DLO, Ant, Ben, and KAT. In addition, I think that Jaden is the perfect 5th piece to complement those 4 and feel that Rosas would chuck another 1st rounder at Morey instead of trading him away if it came to that.

I just don’t see it, from Philadelphia’s perspective. Malik Beasley, Partrick Beverly, and picks? Seems like a brutal return for them, I think Jaden has to be thrown in there, unfortunately.

Sounds right, but then only one lottery protected FRP.

[Klomp]

If Klutch wants Maxey out of PHI too, does this mean they wouldn’t want a Klutch client sent in?

Malik Beasley (EDIT: and Ant) are Klutch clients.

Just a thought, but what if Sacramento was the third team in a deal, with them essentially swapping Hield for Beasley? (other parts needed)

Was just thinking about them in comparison with each other in terms of attractiveness to PHI. I think they're similar players. Personally, I would take Beasley. I think they're similar players. Hield has better rep but Beasley is 4 years younger and a lot cheaper. But the Klutch comments plus age may actually make PHI want to do that.

I think this is an interesting observation. Not sure how the money works given Hield makes $22mil.

I mean, there will be lots of guys swapping places. Just one example of the players being exchanged:

SAC Out: Hield (23)
SAC In: Beasley (15), Maxey (2.6), McDaniels (2)

PHI Out: Simmons (33), Maxey (2.6)
PHI In: Hield (23), Prince (13)

MIN Out: Beasley (15), McDaniels (2), Prince (13)
MIN In: Simmons (33)

In this example, I think SAC would send one 1st the Sixers' way and MIN would send a couple more.

[Calinks]

As far as Simmons to the Kings, they leaked that Fox is off the table. I would expect Halliburton might be as well. Simmons people said today he wants

https://www.knbr.com/2021/08/31/ben-simmons-refuses-to-play-for-sixers-wants-to-go-to-three-california-teams-report/

Poor SAC is Team 4. Also, MIN fans may gasp at this line, from the SF based radio station:

Also is Simmons that much better than Wiggins? They are pretty close from a defensive standpoint, which is Simmons’ most valuable skill, and Wiggins was highly efficient as a scorer and shooter for the Warriors last season, something Simmons is certainly not.

You really have to wonder at this point how many teams even want Simmons let alone give up anything for him. I don't think it is a long list.

If the local media is basically building up Wiggins to justify why they might not move him, and is pushing Green, Wiseman, ouch. Neither option is appealing.

SAC is pushing Hield, maybe Barnes or Bagley?

Clippers have nothing.

Lakers have THT, but nothing to really match salary with.

Not a California team, but SA has some stuff and salary matching capabilities. Murray, Young, Walker IV, Johnson, Vassel ect... As things stand I think SA can put the best package together, but for all I know they are only willing to offer Poeltl, Young, Walker IV and a 1st.

This is where I am at. How many teams want Simmons. How many teams make sense? A young rebuilding team doesn't want to tie up salary and give up picks for him. A top contending team probably doesn't want to break up what they got. Only a team looking to make a jump would probably be interested. Teams like Wolves, Raptors, Spurs, Bulls, Jazz, Grizzlies... of those teams who really wants him? Where does he fit and which of those teams has assets that PHilly would want? Doesn't seem like a lot of options.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

RoCo was traded by us for multiple FRPs. Not scraps.

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We got one. Beas is the only player on the active roster from that trade (just 18 months ago )and he’s obviously on the way out if we get Simmons.

I said he’s solid.

We got two. We kept one and forwarded the other for Beasley and Hernangomez.

So this Simmons trade possibility isn’t possible without RoCo?


Guess he isn’t a scrap

[Domejandro]

Just a thought, but what if Sacramento was the third team in a deal, with them essentially swapping Hield for Beasley? (other parts needed)

Was just thinking about them in comparison with each other in terms of attractiveness to PHI. I think they're similar players. Personally, I would take Beasley. I think they're similar players. Hield has better rep but Beasley is 4 years younger and a lot cheaper. But the Klutch comments plus age may actually make PHI want to do that.

I think this is an interesting observation. Not sure how the money works given Hield makes $22mil.

I mean, there will be lots of guys swapping places. Just one example of the players being exchanged:

SAC Out: Hield (23)
SAC In: Beasley (15), Maxey (2.6), McDaniels (2)

PHI Out: Simmons (33), Maxey (2.6)
PHI In: Hield (23), Prince (13)

MIN Out: Beasley (15), McDaniels (2), Prince (13)
MIN In: Simmons (33)

I’ll be honest, I can’t imagine Philadelphia paying Maxey and Jaden McDaniels to go from Malik Beasley and Buddy Hield. I could be wrong, but that seems super bad for them, to me.

Maybe….

MIN: Ben Simmons
OUT: Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverly, Jake Layman, Jaden McDaniels, and two firsts

PHI: Buddy Hield, Patrick Beverly, Jaden McDaniels, and a first
OUT: Ben Simmons

SAC: Malik Beasley, Jake Layman, and a first
OUT: Buddy Hield

That’s a framework I could totally see happening.

[SO_MONEY]

Just a thought, but what if Sacramento was the third team in a deal, with them essentially swapping Hield for Beasley? (other parts needed)

Was just thinking about them in comparison with each other in terms of attractiveness to PHI. I think they're similar players. Personally, I would take Beasley. I think they're similar players. Hield has better rep but Beasley is 4 years younger and a lot cheaper. But the Klutch comments plus age may actually make PHI want to do that.

I think this is an interesting observation. Not sure how the money works given Hield makes $22mil.

I mean, there will be lots of guys swapping places. Just one example of the players being exchanged:

SAC Out: Hield (23)
SAC In: Beasley (15), Maxey (2.6), McDaniels (2)

PHI Out: Simmons (33), Maxey (2.6)
PHI In: Hield (23), Prince (13)

MIN Out: Beasley (15), McDaniels (2), Prince (13)
MIN In: Simmons (33)

In this example, I think SAC would send one 1st the Sixers' way and MIN would send a couple more.

How on God's green Earth is SAC getting all of that for Hield, literally I wouldn't trade one of those players even up. SAC needs to give all the picks. All of them.

[moonpie]

For what it is worth, the guy who said that is apparently the guy who locked in a Golden State/Simmons Draft day trade, but that aside, I really get the vibe that D’Angelo Russell may be a major piece going out. Zero reason for c that, just what I’m feeling.

Opposite feeling for me - I think the goal all along has been to bring together a Big 4 of DLO, Ant, Ben, and KAT. In addition, I think that Jaden is the perfect 5th piece to complement those 4 and feel that Rosas would chuck another 1st rounder at Morey instead of trading him away if it came to that.

I just don’t see it, from Philadelphia’s perspective. Malik Beasley, Partrick Beverly, and picks? Seems like a brutal return for them, I think Jaden has to be thrown in there, unfortunately.

Malik + Bev or Prince + Bolmaro + Vando/JMac S&T + 2 1st round picks + 2 2nd round picks is my guess at this. Maybe an additional pick swap.

Ideally there would be some 3rd team that could send over a win now piece to Philly, but I'm not seeing anyone that's available that fits that mold currently. I know that Morey has been asking for the moon for Ben and I get it, but he wouldn't be the first (and won't be the last) disgruntled star player to fetch less than expected in a trade and there is the added caveat of Rich Paul and Klutch in this case.

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We got one. Beas is the only player on the active roster from that trade (just 18 months ago )and he’s obviously on the way out if we get Simmons.

I said he’s solid.

We got two. We kept one and forwarded the other for Beasley and Hernangomez.

So this Simmons trade possibility isn’t possible without RoCo?


Guess he isn’t a scrap

Right if we use Beasley in a deal for Simmons than RoCo was used to get Simmons.

[Calinks]

The Sixers screwed this up big. Throwing Simmons under the bus was the wrong move, really backed them in a corner. The way to play this was to support him all the way, look for the best trade possible even if it took the deadline, and then deal him at an optimal time. Now they have all this pressure.

[Note30]

The Sixers screwed this up big. Throwing Simmons under the bus was the wrong move, really backed them in a corner. The way to play this was to support him all the way, look for the best trade possible even if it took the deadline, and then deal him at an optimal time. Now they have all this pressure.

Yet we still have people giving up 2 firsts and McDaniels

DLo and Beasley for Simmons straight up.

[Calinks]

The Sixers screwed this up big. Throwing Simmons under the bus was the wrong move, really backed them in a corner. The way to play this was to support him all the way, look for the best trade possible even if it took the deadline, and then deal him at an optimal time. Now they have all this pressure.

Yet we still have people giving up 2 firsts and McDaniels

DLo and Beasley for Simmons straight up.

This actually really reminds me of us and how we handled Wiggins. Now granted, Wiggins is not Simmons, doesn't have the value, but we talked Wiggins up the whole time. Talked about how we could get more out of him, how we would play him to his strengths, how special he was, etc.

Then when the DLO trade came up, we shifted him out. You don't tarnish a player's value and alienate them. A good example of how to do it and how not to do it.

[breatnach]

SAC Out: Hield (23)
SAC In: Beasley (15), Maxey (2.6), McDaniels (2)

PHI Out: Simmons (33), Maxey (2.6)
PHI In: Hield (23), Prince (13)

MIN Out: Beasley (15), McDaniels (2), Prince (13)
MIN In: Simmons (33)

In this example, I think SAC would send one 1st the Sixers' way and MIN would send a couple more.

I think PHI would probably prefer Beverly over Prince (who make pretty much the same), but I agree with the rest.

[minimus]

Maybe I am too biased, but I would rather sacrifice all FRPs, pick swaps than MCD. Simmons+MCD would be a unique defensive combo. While we would have a very balanced KAT-DLo-Edwards trio in offense, who were able to win some games even with complete awful shooters such as Vando/Okogie/Culver/Rubio, Simmons+MCD would be an X-factor in defense. Simmons+MCD+Beverly can completely destroy opponent offensive flow.

[Dalvin]

I'm fine with pick swaps, since that assures us at least a first round pick contracts to help fill out the roster. Who knows, if we added Simmons and he gels well with KAT, ANT, Jaden and D'Lo, those picks might be late first rounders anyways

[minimus]

SAS Out: Murray (15)
SAS In: Prince (13), Maxey (2.6), two MIN FRP, MIN two SRPs

PHI Out: Simmons (33), Maxey (2.6)
PHI In: Murray (15), Beasley (13), MIN FRP, two pick swap rights

MIN Out: Beasley (15), Prince (13), three FRPs, two SRPs
MIN In: Simmons (33)

Why for SAS: get promising young comboguard, additional assets for rebuild.
Why for PHI: get starting PG, who is a defensive menace and 3pt shooter

[breatnach]

Maybe I am too biased, but I would rather sacrifice all FRPs, pick swaps than MCD. Simmons+MCD would be a unique defensive combo. While we would have a very balanced KAT-DLo-Edwards trio in offense, who were able to win some games even with complete awful shooters such as Vando/Okogie/Culver/Rubio, Simmons+MCD would be an X-factor in defense. Simmons+MCD+Beverly can completely destroy opponent offensive flow.

While I agree from value point of view, if you have three players making 30m+, you need to bring in some late round draft picks, because they are cheap. If McDaniels (and Ant) develops the way we hope he will, you will won't be able to keep him. Ant will get a max for sure and then you'd have 4 players on max contracts.

Personally, I'd like to get off D'Lo's contract, which would make taking on Simmons much easier, but the idea is probably to have the three amigos together.