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rzzzzz wrote:
Ben highlight reels are great until you get to the playoffs. Better he study the lesson Crash Davis gives Nuke LaRouche about public relations. Or better yet, look how Embiid handles it. Philly fans are not that tough on guys who know the bare min PR. (I’ll grant you we have yet to see Embiid finish the playoffs with highlight reel material, though his stats are actually dumbfounding.)
Sixersftw wrote:I can't believe anyone is still buying these vids.
Black Mage wrote:Mik317 wrote:no way they just let him sit out. The PA won't allow that. Klutch won't. ANd the heat from it will be too hot for Harris and co.
PA won't have any leverage nor will Klutch. It's a double edged sword, if PA or Klutch start trying to strong-arm teams with nearly full extensions left on the books then this league is headed towards a lock-out b/c owners WON'T tolerate that. PA and Klutch have skated on Lebron/Durant/AD and the like, but a lesser star like Simmons trying to pull this would be the straw that broke the camel's back.
Also, to address, showing that the team is ready to sit and let Ben rot for 4 years restores leverage with teams. The teams are just waiting for us to cave so they can lowball us. If we show we are ready and willing to let Ben rot then teams gotta up their offers to meet us at least halfway between their joke offers and our joke demands.
Sitting Ben might be the only way out of this mess at this point. Unless Ben swallows his pride (yeah right) and plays out so he restores some of his value.
Mik317 wrote:Black Mage wrote:Mik317 wrote:no way they just let him sit out. The PA won't allow that. Klutch won't. ANd the heat from it will be too hot for Harris and co.
PA won't have any leverage nor will Klutch. It's a double edged sword, if PA or Klutch start trying to strong-arm teams with nearly full extensions left on the books then this league is headed towards a lock-out b/c owners WON'T tolerate that. PA and Klutch have skated on Lebron/Durant/AD and the like, but a lesser star like Simmons trying to pull this would be the straw that broke the camel's back.
Also, to address, showing that the team is ready to sit and let Ben rot for 4 years restores leverage with teams. The teams are just waiting for us to cave so they can lowball us. If we show we are ready and willing to let Ben rot then teams gotta up their offers to meet us at least halfway between their joke offers and our joke demands.
Sitting Ben might be the only way out of this mess at this point. Unless Ben swallows his pride (yeah right) and plays out so he restores some of his value.
Its not about them forcing us to do anything.
Its about.....relationships lol.
<puts a big ass collar on>
Even if other agents don't **** w/ Klutch. They won't be too happy w/ a team just sitting a guy. Its not a great look...which is why it has never happened....and most dudes get traded. Doing **** to appease agents helps in the long term to get future clients. Thats why agents didn't **** w/ Hinkie and probably why it was so easy to oust him for Mr. Relationships. Its an ugly part of the game that you have to play if you want to succeed.
Its why the dumb "JUST BENCH HIS ASS" stuff never was going to be a viable option. This isn't college and even there...you see coaches adjust to the okie doke to get ahead. Duke started to get a bunch of one and dones. Kansas gets less. Coach K played the game. Self was stubborn and tried to force square pegs into a triangle and dudes began to flame out. So yeah while you will be the big cool bad ass now...you will be wondering why players don't want to be here even more.
But beyond all of that...sitting Ben would be a major annoyance for the team itself.....get it done with so everyone can move on.
Agreed, even though is a top media market, players just don't want to come to Philly. Also we had to overpay for Tobi as well.Black Mage wrote:Mik317 wrote:Black Mage wrote:
PA won't have any leverage nor will Klutch. It's a double edged sword, if PA or Klutch start trying to strong-arm teams with nearly full extensions left on the books then this league is headed towards a lock-out b/c owners WON'T tolerate that. PA and Klutch have skated on Lebron/Durant/AD and the like, but a lesser star like Simmons trying to pull this would be the straw that broke the camel's back.
Also, to address, showing that the team is ready to sit and let Ben rot for 4 years restores leverage with teams. The teams are just waiting for us to cave so they can lowball us. If we show we are ready and willing to let Ben rot then teams gotta up their offers to meet us at least halfway between their joke offers and our joke demands.
Sitting Ben might be the only way out of this mess at this point. Unless Ben swallows his pride (yeah right) and plays out so he restores some of his value.
Its not about them forcing us to do anything.
Its about.....relationships lol.
<puts a big ass collar on>
Even if other agents don't **** w/ Klutch. They won't be too happy w/ a team just sitting a guy. Its not a great look...which is why it has never happened....and most dudes get traded. Doing **** to appease agents helps in the long term to get future clients. Thats why agents didn't **** w/ Hinkie and probably why it was so easy to oust him for Mr. Relationships. Its an ugly part of the game that you have to play if you want to succeed.
Its why the dumb "JUST BENCH HIS ASS" stuff never was going to be a viable option. This isn't college and even there...you see coaches adjust to the okie doke to get ahead. Duke started to get a bunch of one and dones. Kansas gets less. Coach K played the game. Self was stubborn and tried to force square pegs into a triangle and dudes began to flame out. So yeah while you will be the big cool bad ass now...you will be wondering why players don't want to be here even more.
But beyond all of that...sitting Ben would be a major annoyance for the team itself.....get it done with so everyone can move on.
I disagree. Klutch being involved is a major factor. How many agents had their player's f**** with because a Klutch player basically dumped on his team or made it clear anyone but him was available for trade.
Also, what player did "relationships" actually get the Sixers? In the past decade our biggest name signings were Brand and JJ and in both cases we had to grossly overpay. Danny was looking to bolt, but stayed b/c he had no other option and that's where we get helped out. We aren't going to be in the market for any big name free agents for years (and even then we won't get them) so we're bargain bin shopping for guys who have limited or no other options. Also, if you haven't noticed, even vet min guys that have options have ignored Sixers and their "relationships" if certain markets put in a call.
Heck, James Dolan has been about as sh***y a human being and owner as you could get and he's still getting some free agents to take interest.
You're away too worried about a backlash that just won't exist.
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Players don't want to come to Philly because it's a very tough environment to survive in career wise. The weather is also terrible although I liked it just fine when I lived in Bethlehem years ago. We're going to get something worked out for sure and it wont be doom and gloom like some are predicting. We just need to trade for players that actually want to be here. CJ is familiar with the area, a guy like Collin Sexton can survive Philly, Malik Beasley is going for a fresh start and would probably love it here, Davion Mitchell is a player that is made for this team. At this point, if the return for Simmons isn't going to be a star player, then you have to look at players that "fit" in on this team and will give us everything they've got.
Ben Simmons in my opinion became an absolute zero once we were past the Washington Wizards. His stellar defense that everyone raved about wasn't even what it was supposed to be. The Atlanta series is still very fresh. Lets not forget that game seven. Any one of CJ, Sexton, or even that fool Beasley being here in place of Simmons would have vaulted into the conference finals against the Bucks. I say, just do the trade (if there even is one) and recoup what you can in terms of talent/assets and be done with it.
If it's a hell no to Haliburton, Fox, or Ant Edwards then here is who I personally like beyond them. These players would obviously have some sort of asset attached to them...A first round pick, another player, etc.
1. CJ
2. Sexton
3. Mitchell
4. Beasley (Knucklehead)
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Players don't want to come to Philly because it's a very tough environment to survive in career wise. The weather is also terrible although I liked it just fine when I lived in Bethlehem years ago. We're going to get something worked out for sure and it wont be doom and gloom like some are predicting. We just need to trade for players that actually want to be here. CJ is familiar with the area, a guy like Collin Sexton can survive Philly, Malik Beasley is going for a fresh start and would probably love it here, Davion Mitchell is a player that is made for this team. At this point, if the return for Simmons isn't going to be a star player, then you have to look at players that "fit" in on this team and will give us everything they've got.
Ben Simmons in my opinion became an absolute zero once we were past the Washington Wizards. His stellar defense that everyone raved about wasn't even what it was supposed to be. The Atlanta series is still very fresh. Lets not forget that game seven. Any one of CJ, Sexton, or even that fool Beasley being here in place of Simmons would have vaulted into the conference finals against the Bucks. I say, just do the trade (if there even is one) and recoup what you can in terms of talent/assets and be done with it.
If it's a hell no to Haliburton, Fox, or Ant Edwards then here is who I personally like beyond them. These players would obviously have some sort of asset attached to them...A first round pick, another player, etc.
1. CJ
2. Sexton
3. Mitchell
4. Beasley (Knucklehead)
syntax wrote:Richard Jefferson reporting Dame wants to play with Ben.
kuclas wrote:syntax wrote:Richard Jefferson reporting Dame wants to play with Ben.
That’s great. Portland can trade Dame for Tobias Harris and 4 first round picks. We throw in Maxey as well.
davesilver wrote:Ben + Tobias for CJ + Roco is a beautiful trade.
Portland massively upgrades their defense and fit.
Dame Powell Tobias Ben Nurk
For us, we swap Tobias for CJ which alleviates much of the fit with Embiid, plus shed a year of the Tobias contract. And who wouldn’t want to bring back Roco. Roco + Matisse + DG + Embiid would be a menace defensively. Also a subtle homecoming with CJ and Lehigh.
Maxey CJ Matisse Roco Embiid
Perhaps we could squeeze out a pick / prospect as well from Portland
davesilver wrote:Ben + Tobias for CJ + Roco is a beautiful trade.
Portland massively upgrades their defense and fit.
Dame Powell Tobias Ben Nurk
For us, we swap Tobias for CJ which alleviates much of the fit with Embiid, plus shed a year of the Tobias contract. And who wouldn’t want to bring back Roco. Roco + Matisse + DG + Embiid would be a menace defensively. Also a subtle homecoming with CJ and Lehigh.
Maxey CJ Matisse Roco Embiid
Perhaps we could squeeze out a pick / prospect as well from Portland
syntax wrote:davesilver wrote:Ben + Tobias for CJ + Roco is a beautiful trade.
Portland massively upgrades their defense and fit.
Dame Powell Tobias Ben Nurk
For us, we swap Tobias for CJ which alleviates much of the fit with Embiid, plus shed a year of the Tobias contract. And who wouldn’t want to bring back Roco. Roco + Matisse + DG + Embiid would be a menace defensively. Also a subtle homecoming with CJ and Lehigh.
Maxey CJ Matisse Roco Embiid
Perhaps we could squeeze out a pick / prospect as well from Portland
Salaries are $14mil out from being within 25%
davesilver wrote:syntax wrote:davesilver wrote:Ben + Tobias for CJ + Roco is a beautiful trade.
Portland massively upgrades their defense and fit.
Dame Powell Tobias Ben Nurk
For us, we swap Tobias for CJ which alleviates much of the fit with Embiid, plus shed a year of the Tobias contract. And who wouldn’t want to bring back Roco. Roco + Matisse + DG + Embiid would be a menace defensively. Also a subtle homecoming with CJ and Lehigh.
Maxey CJ Matisse Roco Embiid
Perhaps we could squeeze out a pick / prospect as well from Portland
Salaries are $14mil out from being within 25%
Money works according to tradenba/fanspo. Otherwise we could get really close to that mark with Larry Nance included
agiaco wrote:Feel like Sixers should get a little more back in that deal. It's close, but both guys are better than their return. Granted, I quite like the fit. Maybe a 1st and 2nd to go with and that's good?