Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[HartfordWhalers]

What's a good 3rd team that'd like Jarrett Allen in a Simmons to Cavs trade?

He isn't tradable until January 15th; I don't think it lasts till then, and if it does it might be that Simmons stays for the full year.

[Couch Potato]

Cavs have interests. But what are they offering? Love and either or back court player? Like a poster above suggested Simmons maybe would like to be paired up with Garland.

[Sportfan73]

Cavs have interests. But what are they offering? Love and either or back court player? Like a poster above suggested Simmons maybe would like to be paired up with Garland.

I think hartfords suggestion of Sexton, Rubio, filler, and picks/swaps is probably what’s being offered, or asked for. The pick parts would be the negotiation I’m sure.

[BoogieTime]

I think one area of creativity for Simmons trades that hasn't been explored enough is the production of a 33m TPE for Philly. These trades would involve OKC to some degree but OKC doesn't have to end up with Simmons but merely have interest in taking on some salary.

Example:

SAC give Hield+Mitchell+Hali+Len+SAC22FRP+SAC24FRP
SAC get Simmons+Curry+Springer
Fox, Curry, Simmons, Barnes, Holmes -- Springer, TD2, Harkless, Bagley, TT

PHI give Simmons+Curry+Springer
PHI get Mitchell+Hali+Len+TPE($33m)+SAC24FRP
Hali, Thybulle, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Mitchell, Maxey, Korkmaz, Reed, Drummond

OKC get Hield+SAC22FRP

Kings aren't moving that. Hali would end discussions IMO if included.

The only reports are Kings not moving him, and Sixers interested in him (Hali)

As far as Im concerned, Mitchell is arguably pretty talented a option by himself in a package (Hield/Barnes/pick(s)/ if the Kings would entertain him in talks. Compared to a lot of the options Ive seen on the thread. At least IMO

[zimpy27]

What's a good 3rd team that'd like Jarrett Allen in a Simmons to Cavs trade?

OKC is ideal IMO. Again I think a TPE for Philly could be a significant asset for future trade.

OKC get Allen

CLE get Simmons+Curry
Garland, Curry, Simmons, Mobley, Markannen -- Rubio, Windler, Cedi, Wade, Love

PHI get Sexton+Okoro+TPE($33m)+CLE22FRP+LAC22FRP(via OKC)
Sexton, Thybulle, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Okoro, Korkmaz, Reed, Drummond

[HartfordWhalers]

What's a good 3rd team that'd like Jarrett Allen in a Simmons to Cavs trade?

OKC is ideal IMO. Again I think a TPE for Philly could be a significant asset for future trade.

OKC get Allen

CLE get Simmons+Curry
Garland, Curry, Simmons, Mobley, Markannen -- Rubio, Windler, Cedi, Wade, Love

PHI get Sexton+Okoro+TPE($33m)+CLE22FRP+LAC22FRP(via OKC)
Sexton, Thybulle, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Okoro, Korkmaz, Reed, Drummond

TPE's really aren't ever significant assets. I feel like the best get I can think of was Fournier and that required 2nds and he was expiring and didn't make a difference...

But again, Allen isn't tradable until January.

[clippertown]

One would think if Ben was willing to be traded to a non-competing team, then the deal would already been completed. Every day that passes re-confirms that Klutch and Ben wont even talk to another team not on the list. Toronto, Minny, Portland, Sacramento, Cleveland and others have the assets, have shown the interest but still no smoke.

Klutch has a reputation to protect. When a star tells them he wants out, they say "where too?" and that the end of it. There is no way this does not end horribly for everyone involved. Still, Klutch will definitely win and the Sixers will definitely lose. Klutch will stand by their guy and fight tooth and nail to enforce their power. Philly will just get backlisted by all other agents.

[BoogieTime]

One would think if Ben was willing to be traded to a non-competing team, then the deal would already been completed. Every day that passes re-confirms that Klutch and Ben wont even talk to another team not on the list. Toronto, Minny, Portland, Sacramento, Cleveland and others have the assets, have shown the interest but still no smoke.

Klutch has a reputation to protect. When a star tells them he wants out, they say "where too?" and that the end of it. There is no way this does not end horribly for everyone involved. Still, Klutch will definitely win and the Sixers will definitely lose. Klutch will stand by their guy and fight tooth and nail to enforce their power. Philly will just get backlisted by all other agents.

Is this a way to reason the Clippers somehow acquiring him without Kawhi/George (IMO there is no avenue)?

The Kings are on his reported short list. It was the Lakers who weren't a part of the three team Cali report.

I don't think we have any evidence that he only prefers to be riding coat tails at this juncture

[Sportfan73]

One would think if Ben was willing to be traded to a non-competing team, then the deal would already been completed. Every day that passes re-confirms that Klutch and Ben wont even talk to another team not on the list. Toronto, Minny, Portland, Sacramento, Cleveland and others have the assets, have shown the interest but still no smoke.

Klutch has a reputation to protect. When a star tells them he wants out, they say "where too?" and that the end of it. There is no way this does not end horribly for everyone involved. Still, Klutch will definitely win and the Sixers will definitely lose. Klutch will stand by their guy and fight tooth and nail to enforce their power. Philly will just get backlisted by all other agents.

Multiple people have said he is open to Cleveland because of Klutch

[BoogieTime]

One would think if Ben was willing to be traded to a non-competing team, then the deal would already been completed. Every day that passes re-confirms that Klutch and Ben wont even talk to another team not on the list. Toronto, Minny, Portland, Sacramento, Cleveland and others have the assets, have shown the interest but still no smoke.

Klutch has a reputation to protect. When a star tells them he wants out, they say "where too?" and that the end of it. There is no way this does not end horribly for everyone involved. Still, Klutch will definitely win and the Sixers will definitely lose. Klutch will stand by their guy and fight tooth and nail to enforce their power. Philly will just get backlisted by all other agents.

Multiple people have said he is open to Cleveland because of Klutch

Did anyone reputable write that Simmons had interest because of Klutch? I see that blurb may have come from a Cavalier reporter from the site Right Down Euclid

[babyjax13]

I love that Cleveland is getting involved. I think Sexton would be a great fit in Philly, and Simmons is a nice piece to go with Garland/Mobley. But, this does seem like it forces a decision with Allen &/or Lauri later in the season (not that you complain about this).

Cleveland trades: Rubio, Sexton, Osman, Okoro
Cleveland receives: Simmons
Get rid of some of the poor floor spacers in the rotation (Rubio, Okoro) while also adding a star player to go with Garland and Mobley.

Thunder trade: Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2025 PHI 1st (1-6, 1-4, 1-4, 2027 2nd)
Thunder receive: Osman, Okoro
Trade 2 1sts and a good rotation player for a recent high lottery pick with good potential (I'm still a fan of Okoro).

Philadelphia trades: Simmons
Philadelphia receives: Sexton, Rubio, Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2025 PHI 1st (1-6, 1-4, 1-4, 2027 2nd)
Get a high-scoring backcourt partner for Embiid + add two rotation players that make some sense for them and two firsts while cutting a bit of salary.

This trade has to wait for Rubio to be eligible to be moved, which I think is the 30th of this month.

[Sportfan73]

I love that Cleveland is getting involved. I think Sexton would be a great fit in Philly, and Simmons is a nice piece to go with Garland/Mobley. But, this does seem like it forces a decision with Allen &/or Lauri later in the season (not that you complain about this).

Cleveland trades: Rubio, Sexton, Osman, Okoro
Cleveland receives: Simmons
Get rid of some of the poor floor spacers in the rotation (Rubio, Okoro) while also adding a star player to go with Garland and Mobley.

Thunder trade: Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2025 PHI 1st (1-6, 1-4, 1-4, 2027 2nd)
Thunder receive: Osman, Okoro
Trade 2 1sts and a good rotation player for a recent high lottery pick with good potential (I'm still a fan of Okoro).

Philadelphia trades: Simmons
Philadelphia receives: Sexton, Rubio, Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2025 PHI 1st (1-6, 1-4, 1-4, 2027 2nd)
Get a high-scoring backcourt partner for Embiid + add two rotation players that make some sense for them and two firsts while cutting a bit of salary.

This trade has to wait for Rubio to be eligible to be moved, which I think is the 30th of this month.

27th actually and the 28th is training camp sooo… fits perfect

[babyjax13]

I love that Cleveland is getting involved. I think Sexton would be a great fit in Philly, and Simmons is a nice piece to go with Garland/Mobley. But, this does seem like it forces a decision with Allen &/or Lauri later in the season (not that you complain about this).

Cleveland trades: Rubio, Sexton, Osman, Okoro
Cleveland receives: Simmons
Get rid of some of the poor floor spacers in the rotation (Rubio, Okoro) while also adding a star player to go with Garland and Mobley.

Thunder trade: Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2025 PHI 1st (1-6, 1-4, 1-4, 2027 2nd)
Thunder receive: Osman, Okoro
Trade 2 1sts and a good rotation player for a recent high lottery pick with good potential (I'm still a fan of Okoro).

Philadelphia trades: Simmons
Philadelphia receives: Sexton, Rubio, Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2025 PHI 1st (1-6, 1-4, 1-4, 2027 2nd)
Get a high-scoring backcourt partner for Embiid + add two rotation players that make some sense for them and two firsts while cutting a bit of salary.

This trade has to wait for Rubio to be eligible to be moved, which I think is the 30th of this month.

27th actually and the 28th is training camp sooo… fits perfect

And Taurean Prince would be the same deal in Minnesota, so it feels even more likely Simmons will be either in Minneapolis or Cleveland come the end of the month.

[Sportfan73]

I love that Cleveland is getting involved. I think Sexton would be a great fit in Philly, and Simmons is a nice piece to go with Garland/Mobley. But, this does seem like it forces a decision with Allen &/or Lauri later in the season (not that you complain about this).

Cleveland trades: Rubio, Sexton, Osman, Okoro
Cleveland receives: Simmons
Get rid of some of the poor floor spacers in the rotation (Rubio, Okoro) while also adding a star player to go with Garland and Mobley.

Thunder trade: Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2025 PHI 1st (1-6, 1-4, 1-4, 2027 2nd)
Thunder receive: Osman, Okoro
Trade 2 1sts and a good rotation player for a recent high lottery pick with good potential (I'm still a fan of Okoro).

Philadelphia trades: Simmons
Philadelphia receives: Sexton, Rubio, Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2025 PHI 1st (1-6, 1-4, 1-4, 2027 2nd)
Get a high-scoring backcourt partner for Embiid + add two rotation players that make some sense for them and two firsts while cutting a bit of salary.

This trade has to wait for Rubio to be eligible to be moved, which I think is the 30th of this month.

27th actually and the 28th is training camp sooo… fits perfect

And Taurean Prince would be the same deal in Minnesota, so it feels even more likely Simmons will be either in Minneapolis or Cleveland come the end of the month.

Calling it right now either way Sexton ends up in Philly.

4 days ago look at that caption

[Godaddycurse]

Spurs out: Young, Aminu, White, Murray, 2022 top 4 protected 1st
Spurs In: Simmons, Love

Cleveland out: Love, Sexton, 2022 lotto protected x3 yrs 1st
Cleveland in: White, Aminu, Milton

Philly trades: Simmons, Milton
Philly receives: Murray, Young, Sexton, 2022 SAS top 4 protected 1st, 2022 CLE lotto protected 1st

[zimpy27]

What's a good 3rd team that'd like Jarrett Allen in a Simmons to Cavs trade?

OKC is ideal IMO. Again I think a TPE for Philly could be a significant asset for future trade.

OKC get Allen

CLE get Simmons+Curry
Garland, Curry, Simmons, Mobley, Markannen -- Rubio, Windler, Cedi, Wade, Love

PHI get Sexton+Okoro+TPE($33m)+CLE22FRP+LAC22FRP(via OKC)
Sexton, Thybulle, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Okoro, Korkmaz, Reed, Drummond

TPE's really aren't ever significant assets. I feel like the best get I can think of was Fournier and that required 2nds and he was expiring and didn't make a difference...

But again, Allen isn't tradable until January.

I understand but they are not bad when they could fit CJ McCollum from a Blazers team trying to cut salary and blow their team up.

There are a few teams on the boil that could see that TPE as very interesting. Of course you ned to add assets to get it.

[babyjax13]

Spurs out: Young, Aminu, White, Murray, 2022 top 4 protected 1st
Spurs In: Simmons, Love

Cleveland out: Love, Sexton, 2022 lotto protected x3 yrs 1st
Cleveland in: White, Aminu, Milton

Philly trades: Simmons, Milton
Philly receives: Murray, Young, Sexton, 2022 SAS top 4 protected 1st, 2022 CLE lotto protected 1st

I don't see why Cleveland wouldn't just drop the Love part, and take Simmons for themselves.

[Dadouv47]

I love that Cleveland is getting involved. I think Sexton would be a great fit in Philly, and Simmons is a nice piece to go with Garland/Mobley. But, this does seem like it forces a decision with Allen &/or Lauri later in the season (not that you complain about this).

Cleveland trades: Rubio, Sexton, Osman, Okoro
Cleveland receives: Simmons
Get rid of some of the poor floor spacers in the rotation (Rubio, Okoro) while also adding a star player to go with Garland and Mobley.

Thunder trade: Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2025 PHI 1st (1-6, 1-4, 1-4, 2027 2nd)
Thunder receive: Osman, Okoro
Trade 2 1sts and a good rotation player for a recent high lottery pick with good potential (I'm still a fan of Okoro).

Philadelphia trades: Simmons
Philadelphia receives: Sexton, Rubio, Williams, 2022 LAC 1st, 2025 PHI 1st (1-6, 1-4, 1-4, 2027 2nd)
Get a high-scoring backcourt partner for Embiid + add two rotation players that make some sense for them and two firsts while cutting a bit of salary.

This trade has to wait for Rubio to be eligible to be moved, which I think is the 30th of this month.

I wouldn't do this. Guess we disagree on Okoro and the LAC pick still has some potential with Kawhi injury (Philly pick too).

Also Presti values Kenrich pretty highly so I doubt we will give up that much for Okoro.

[DWhiteMamba]

Spurs out: Young, Aminu, White, Murray, 2022 top 4 protected 1st
Spurs In: Simmons, Love

Cleveland out: Love, Sexton, 2022 lotto protected x3 yrs 1st
Cleveland in: White, Aminu, Milton

Philly trades: Simmons, Milton
Philly receives: Murray, Young, Sexton, 2022 SAS top 4 protected 1st, 2022 CLE lotto protected 1st

1) That's too much to pay for Simmons by far
2) Love is bad and on a bad contract, we don't want him. He's washed out.

[beb0p]

One would think if Ben was willing to be traded to a non-competing team, then the deal would already been completed. Every day that passes re-confirms that Klutch and Ben wont even talk to another team not on the list. Toronto, Minny, Portland, Sacramento, Cleveland and others have the assets, have shown the interest but still no smoke.

Klutch has a reputation to protect. When a star tells them he wants out, they say "where too?" and that the end of it. There is no way this does not end horribly for everyone involved. Still, Klutch will definitely win and the Sixers will definitely lose. Klutch will stand by their guy and fight tooth and nail to enforce their power. Philly will just get backlisted by all other agents.

It takes two to tangle. What team can use a guy like Simmons? Not that many, imo. I'm not saying he's not talented because he is, but he is so unique that not every team can just fit him into the lineup. Plus, the asking price is way too high.

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