Van_Trump wrote:Siakam + stuff = Ben Simmons
f no. its simmons + stuff for siakam. and even then i say no
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Van_Trump wrote:Siakam + stuff = Ben Simmons
Los_29 wrote:Can you imagine trading Siakam + stuff for a complete headcase in Ben Simmons?
Ranger One wrote:We aren't winning anything with these two as our go to guys. They are decent to good players, not really true all stars. Thats about their ceiling. And as you all know we need an actual Superstar to get anywhere in the playoffs. And these two aint it. Also, they've already peaked and have nowhere to go but down from this point forward. We should be looking to move them at the earliest opportunity available for picks/young prospects that can grow/develop together with Barnes. We sure as hell arent acquiring anyone that will move the needle for us in Free Agency. Thus, our only path to another championship is getting lucky and drafting/developing that Superstar ourselves.
Los_29 wrote:Tofubeque wrote:And then the 2025 class will be even BETTER! I've been researching some crazy middle school mixtapes. Hopefully we trade for some 2023 picks and then flip them for 2025 picks, all in baby
I heard the 2030 class is looking pretty good.
OhCanada1091 wrote:Los_29 wrote:Tofubeque wrote:And then the 2025 class will be even BETTER! I've been researching some crazy middle school mixtapes. Hopefully we trade for some 2023 picks and then flip them for 2025 picks, all in baby
I heard the 2030 class is looking pretty good.
Pretty sure the 2032 class will be stronger. If I'm not mistaken Karter Lowry will be draft eligible that year.
OhCanada1091 wrote:Ranger One wrote:We aren't winning anything with these two as our go to guys. They are decent to good players, not really true all stars. Thats about their ceiling. And as you all know we need an actual Superstar to get anywhere in the playoffs. And these two aint it. Also, they've already peaked and have nowhere to go but down from this point forward. We should be looking to move them at the earliest opportunity available for picks/young prospects that can grow/develop together with Barnes. We sure as hell arent acquiring anyone that will move the needle for us in Free Agency. Thus, our only path to another championship is getting lucky and drafting/developing that Superstar ourselves.
They have not "peaked". To think a 27 year old can't improve is just insanity. Really is. Name a weakness of Siakam. Now ask yourself is it possible to improve that weakness? If so then he obviously hasn't "peaked".
Ranger One wrote:OhCanada1091 wrote:Ranger One wrote:We aren't winning anything with these two as our go to guys. They are decent to good players, not really true all stars. Thats about their ceiling. And as you all know we need an actual Superstar to get anywhere in the playoffs. And these two aint it. Also, they've already peaked and have nowhere to go but down from this point forward. We should be looking to move them at the earliest opportunity available for picks/young prospects that can grow/develop together with Barnes. We sure as hell arent acquiring anyone that will move the needle for us in Free Agency. Thus, our only path to another championship is getting lucky and drafting/developing that Superstar ourselves.
They have not "peaked". To think a 27 year old can't improve is just insanity. Really is. Name a weakness of Siakam. Now ask yourself is it possible to improve that weakness? If so then he obviously hasn't "peaked".
I mean thats great and all, but at the end of the day neither Siakam or Van Vleet have enough talent to get is to where we want to be, so why bank our future on them? Unless your goal is to be a perennial 1st or 2nd round exit, you move on from them in the next year or two.
Van_Trump wrote:Siakam + stuff = Ben Simmons
Ranger One wrote:OhCanada1091 wrote:Ranger One wrote:We aren't winning anything with these two as our go to guys. They are decent to good players, not really true all stars. Thats about their ceiling. And as you all know we need an actual Superstar to get anywhere in the playoffs. And these two aint it. Also, they've already peaked and have nowhere to go but down from this point forward. We should be looking to move them at the earliest opportunity available for picks/young prospects that can grow/develop together with Barnes. We sure as hell arent acquiring anyone that will move the needle for us in Free Agency. Thus, our only path to another championship is getting lucky and drafting/developing that Superstar ourselves.
They have not "peaked". To think a 27 year old can't improve is just insanity. Really is. Name a weakness of Siakam. Now ask yourself is it possible to improve that weakness? If so then he obviously hasn't "peaked".
I mean thats great and all, but at the end of the day neither Siakam or Van Vleet have enough talent to get is to where we want to be, so why bank our future on them? Unless your goal is to be a perennial 1st or 2nd round exit, you move on from them in the next year or two.
OhCanada1091 wrote:RapsFan008 wrote:Hard to say...
Fred probably nets you a prospect + 1 FRP in terms of value.
Pascal's value is probably close to Simmons, but the media seems to hype up Simmons more. So, I'm guessing his perceived value is a little less than what Simmons gets traded for. Somewhere between Vuc and Simmons.
Simmons is gonna get traded for nothing. He has no value. They ruined that by him demanding a trade and not reporting to training camp Philly is screwed. The media does not dictate a players value they only speculate.
Johnny Bball wrote:I don't even know where to start with how bad the OP is.
Nobody is going to tank now for two years from now because you aren't comfortable and because you have zero risk tolerance.
That being said I actually really like our team. Lets just make that clear. I think we can push for a home seed this year if everyone is healthy and we may see an emergence like when Demar and Kyle first turned the ship around with Dwayne Casey. Then it becomes a game of 'how good can Scottie get to improve our chances of winning it all' or another 'trade for a Kawhi calibur player that wants out waiting game' to push us over the hump. If they are a winning team.
KL78192020 wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:I don't even know where to start with how bad the OP is.
Nobody is going to tank now for two years from now because you aren't comfortable and because you have zero risk tolerance.
Its a hypothetical question being asked on a basketball forum. Chill out, OP clearly stated:That being said I actually really like our team. Lets just make that clear. I think we can push for a home seed this year if everyone is healthy and we may see an emergence like when Demar and Kyle first turned the ship around with Dwayne Casey. Then it becomes a game of 'how good can Scottie get to improve our chances of winning it all' or another 'trade for a Kawhi calibur player that wants out waiting game' to push us over the hump. If they are a winning team.
People aren't allowed to post ideas anymore without others getting so butt hurt.
KL78192020 wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:I don't even know where to start with how bad the OP is.
Nobody is going to tank now for two years from now because you aren't comfortable and because you have zero risk tolerance.
Its a hypothetical question being asked on a basketball forum. Chill out, OP clearly stated:That being said I actually really like our team. Lets just make that clear. I think we can push for a home seed this year if everyone is healthy and we may see an emergence like when Demar and Kyle first turned the ship around with Dwayne Casey. Then it becomes a game of 'how good can Scottie get to improve our chances of winning it all' or another 'trade for a Kawhi calibur player that wants out waiting game' to push us over the hump. If they are a winning team.
People aren't allowed to post ideas anymore without others getting so butt hurt.
Los_29 wrote:KL78192020 wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:I don't even know where to start with how bad the OP is.
Nobody is going to tank now for two years from now because you aren't comfortable and because you have zero risk tolerance.
Its a hypothetical question being asked on a basketball forum. Chill out, OP clearly stated:That being said I actually really like our team. Lets just make that clear. I think we can push for a home seed this year if everyone is healthy and we may see an emergence like when Demar and Kyle first turned the ship around with Dwayne Casey. Then it becomes a game of 'how good can Scottie get to improve our chances of winning it all' or another 'trade for a Kawhi calibur player that wants out waiting game' to push us over the hump. If they are a winning team.
People aren't allowed to post ideas anymore without others getting so butt hurt.
Most people are laughing at the ridiculous notion of trading our best players so we can draft players that are currently in grade 10.