Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[eyeatoma]

If we could do it straight up, that would be an absolute steal for us.

Especially considering we would have to move Simmons plus picks to land Bradley Beal. Jamal Murray is basically a younger, bigger, possibly more talented version of Bradley Beal and you may be able to get him for a simple swap. A discounted rate due to his injury. Could be a huge payoff for the Sixers.

Murray loves the city, the coach and Jokic. If his rehab is going well, they're going to keep him at all costs. Maybe MPJ might be on the block, but I highly doubt they trade Murray. They would still lack a perimeter threat on Denver if they trade him.

[RedSalsa]

Is this Murray for Ben a rumor or just hoping for Sixer fans? I have not read anything online at all about it.

[Sixersftw]

Yeah where the **** did this come from? Do it yesterday.

[RedSalsa]

Yeah where the **** did this come from? Do it yesterday.

I can’t find anything on it I think it’s just wishful thinking. Why would Denver do it???

[Negrodamus]

Yup, this as well. Lol at everyone who want someone who won't be back to speed till the 23-24 season. Jo will be 29. Waste of 2 years.

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7-9 months is the typical rehab time (January 2022 worst case scenario). Where are you getting two years?

This season is going to be a waste anyway if we sit on Ben.

Yup, and the first year back from an ACL is always a wash. Typically if everything is okay, and the player has no mental hurdles, they show their true self in March/April of the year they return. Then the following season is when they are back to full speed.

Hence the 2 years.

So one wasted year of Embiid’s prime, which appears to be happening anyway.

[eyeatoma]

7-9 months is the typical rehab time (January 2022 worst case scenario). Where are you getting two years?

This season is going to be a waste anyway if we sit on Ben.

Yup, and the first year back from an ACL is always a wash. Typically if everything is okay, and the player has no mental hurdles, they show their true self in March/April of the year they return. Then the following season is when they are back to full speed.

Hence the 2 years.

So one wasted year of Embiid’s prime, which appears to be happening anyway.

If we can get Fox it won't happen. If we can get a bunch of picks and young players you could swing that for Lillard or Beal at the trade deadline along with our stuff. There is still a chance to salvage the season.

It's 2 years, not 1 year. This year, is a gone according to you. Next year, Murray returns and he'll only be his true self in March/April (hopefully). With our medical staff I'm not so sure.

I think it's amusing that you guys want to go with someone who just had a devastating knee injury, knowing our record in rehabbing players. Apart from Jo, we have failed at dealing with players with big injuries forever. We are not the team to get this type of player.

[GutUNC]

Yup, and the first year back from an ACL is always a wash. Typically if everything is okay, and the player has no mental hurdles, they show their true self in March/April of the year they return. Then the following season is when they are back to full speed.

Hence the 2 years.

So one wasted year of Embiid’s prime, which appears to be happening anyway.

If we can get Fox it won't happen. If we can get a bunch of picks and young players you could swing that for Lillard or Beal at the trade deadline along with our stuff. There is still a chance to salvage the season.

It's 2 years, not 1 year. This year, is a gone according to you. Next year, Murray returns and he'll only be his true self in March/April (hopefully). With our medical staff I'm not so sure.

I think it's amusing that you guys want to go with someone who just had a devastating knee injury, knowing our record in rehabbing players. Apart from Jo, we have failed at dealing with players with big injuries forever. We are not the team to get this type of player.

This isn't 1992. He tore it in April, he'll probably be back playing around mid-season and he'll be back to his normal self by Opening Night 2022, which is 18 months after the injury.

[eyeatoma]

So one wasted year of Embiid’s prime, which appears to be happening anyway.

If we can get Fox it won't happen. If we can get a bunch of picks and young players you could swing that for Lillard or Beal at the trade deadline along with our stuff. There is still a chance to salvage the season.

It's 2 years, not 1 year. This year, is a gone according to you. Next year, Murray returns and he'll only be his true self in March/April (hopefully). With our medical staff I'm not so sure.

I think it's amusing that you guys want to go with someone who just had a devastating knee injury, knowing our record in rehabbing players. Apart from Jo, we have failed at dealing with players with big injuries forever. We are not the team to get this type of player.

This isn't 1992. He tore it in April, he'll probably be back playing around mid-season and he'll be back to his normal self by Opening Night 2022, which is 18 months after the injury.

Same thing people said about Klay Thompson, Porzingis, Jabari Parker, Brandon Knight, Jarret Jack, Dante Exum. Let's not forget Derrick Rose. That's not really 1992 is it? That being said, I do acknowledge the ACL injury is no longer a career killer, but it's still a major injury, that has a good chance of impairing you from reaching or maintaining your peak production as a player.

[Kobblehead]

If we can get Fox it won't happen. If we can get a bunch of picks and young players you could swing that for Lillard or Beal at the trade deadline along with our stuff. There is still a chance to salvage the season.

It's 2 years, not 1 year. This year, is a gone according to you. Next year, Murray returns and he'll only be his true self in March/April (hopefully). With our medical staff I'm not so sure.

I think it's amusing that you guys want to go with someone who just had a devastating knee injury, knowing our record in rehabbing players. Apart from Jo, we have failed at dealing with players with big injuries forever. We are not the team to get this type of player.

This isn't 1992. He tore it in April, he'll probably be back playing around mid-season and he'll be back to his normal self by Opening Night 2022, which is 18 months after the injury.

Same thing people said about Klay Thompson.

Klay RUPTURED HIS ACHILLES ontop of his ACL. Completely different circumstance.

Both Porzingis and Lavine have dropped 20+ ppg every year post ACL tear.

[eyeatoma]

This isn't 1992. He tore it in April, he'll probably be back playing around mid-season and he'll be back to his normal self by Opening Night 2022, which is 18 months after the injury.

Same thing people said about Klay Thompson.

Klay RUPTURED HIS ACHILLES ontop of his ACL. Completely different circumstance.

Both Porzingis and Lavine have dropped 20+ ppg every year post ACL tear.

LOL really? Porzingis has been a injury nightmare for the last two years. The players who are still playing now, and are back to their old selves are Lavine and Dejounte Murray. Who else is there?

The Mavs could not rely on Porzingis during the playoffs last year, and he couldn't play in the Bubble. But yes, he's such a success story for an ACL recovery. What other BS are you going to tell me?

[stormi]

Jamal Murray (inj) for Simmons, 1 for 1, is the most fair deal I've ever seen.

[eyeatoma]

This isn't 1992. He tore it in April, he'll probably be back playing around mid-season and he'll be back to his normal self by Opening Night 2022, which is 18 months after the injury.

Same thing people said about Klay Thompson.

Klay RUPTURED HIS ACHILLES ontop of his ACL. Completely different circumstance.

Both Porzingis and Lavine have dropped 20+ ppg every year post ACL tear.

You really like to skew facts don't you?

Klay's original injury was the ACL, he didn't have the ACL and Achilles at the same time. The following year he was primed to return and he tore his Achilles. He was done with his rehab and then tore his ACL in a workout. He literally is the perfect example of why we should not go for Jamaal Murray.

[stormi]

Let Murray and Jo rehab next season. Tank for a top 3 pick. Throw Maxey, Springer, Thybulle, Milton and Reed to the fire and see who fights through. I'd assume Maxey takes a huge leap. Reed, Milton and Thybulle could emerge as legit playoff rotation players.

Come back in '22/'23 with a vengeance and a deep & rested squad and win a championship.

[eyeatoma]

Let Murray and Jo rehab next season. Tank for a top 3 pick. Throw Maxey, Springer, Thybulle, Milton and Reed to the fire and see who fights through. I'd assume Maxey takes a huge leap. Reed, Milton and Thybulle could emerge as legit playoff rotation players.

Come back in '22/'23 with a vengeance and a deep & rested squad and win a championship.

I understand the fascination with this. It's a cool plan, but it's not realistic. Jo is healthy now, he's not going to just sit. The Sixers aren't going to pull a Spurs and tank for Duncan. Jo just signed his max extension, you think Josh Harris wants his 200+ mill player sitting for a season?

[stormi]

Let Murray and Jo rehab next season. Tank for a top 3 pick. Throw Maxey, Springer, Thybulle, Milton and Reed to the fire and see who fights through. I'd assume Maxey takes a huge leap. Reed, Milton and Thybulle could emerge as legit playoff rotation players.

Come back in '22/'23 with a vengeance and a deep & rested squad and win a championship.

I understand the fascination with this. It's a cool plan, but it's not realistic. Jo is healthy now, he's not going to just sit. The Sixers aren't going to pull a Spurs and tank for Duncan. Jo just signed his max extension, you think Josh Harris wants his 200+ mill player sitting for a season?

Would need to see a trade return better than Jamal Murray (brutally inj) to change my viewpoint.

[Sportfan73]

Let Murray and Jo rehab next season. Tank for a top 3 pick. Throw Maxey, Springer, Thybulle, Milton and Reed to the fire and see who fights through. I'd assume Maxey takes a huge leap. Reed, Milton and Thybulle could emerge as legit playoff rotation players.

Come back in '22/'23 with a vengeance and a deep & rested squad and win a championship.

I understand the fascination with this. It's a cool plan, but it's not realistic. Jo is healthy now, he's not going to just sit. The Sixers aren't going to pull a Spurs and tank for Duncan. Jo just signed his max extension, you think Josh Harris wants his 200+ mill player sitting for a season?

Along the same line of thinking, this is why I don’t think the strictly pick package is happening, unless it’s being rerouted in the deal. I know everyone says he knows nothing but on multiple pods windhorst basically said Morey wants a star in return and wouldn’t take Minnesota’s package without Edwards and ect. I think Morey+ ownership+ Doc equals us not taking a pick package. EVEN IF IT IS THE BEST VALUE. I know a lot of you think that and I probably do too, but I recommend or come up with other ideas strictly because I don’t think they will do it

[GutUNC]

If we can get Fox it won't happen. If we can get a bunch of picks and young players you could swing that for Lillard or Beal at the trade deadline along with our stuff. There is still a chance to salvage the season.

It's 2 years, not 1 year. This year, is a gone according to you. Next year, Murray returns and he'll only be his true self in March/April (hopefully). With our medical staff I'm not so sure.

I think it's amusing that you guys want to go with someone who just had a devastating knee injury, knowing our record in rehabbing players. Apart from Jo, we have failed at dealing with players with big injuries forever. We are not the team to get this type of player.

This isn't 1992. He tore it in April, he'll probably be back playing around mid-season and he'll be back to his normal self by Opening Night 2022, which is 18 months after the injury.

Same thing people said about Klay Thompson, Porzingis, Jabari Parker, Brandon Knight, Jarret Jack, Dante Exum. Let's not forget Derrick Rose. That's not really 1992 is it? That being said, I do acknowledge the ACL injury is no longer a career killer, but it's still a major injury, that has a good chance of impairing you from reaching or maintaining your peak production as a player.

Picking a bunch of guys who weren't good when they were "good", a 32-year old, a guy who had a completely separate injury on his return and a guy who was overweight long before he hurt his knee is.....interesting. Porzingis is the only one who a case can be made for and even that is highly debatable considering his numbers are similar and his "deficiencies" seem more about his max contract then his athleticism.

Achilles injuries can sometimes lead to other issues on the leg, ACLs don't subsequently lead to Achilles problems. To draw a correlation there is just false.

[GutUNC]

Let Murray and Jo rehab next season. Tank for a top 3 pick. Throw Maxey, Springer, Thybulle, Milton and Reed to the fire and see who fights through. I'd assume Maxey takes a huge leap. Reed, Milton and Thybulle could emerge as legit playoff rotation players.

Come back in '22/'23 with a vengeance and a deep & rested squad and win a championship.

I understand the fascination with this. It's a cool plan, but it's not realistic. Jo is healthy now, he's not going to just sit. The Sixers aren't going to pull a Spurs and tank for Duncan. Jo just signed his max extension, you think Josh Harris wants his 200+ mill player sitting for a season?

Along the same line of thinking, this is why I don’t think the strictly pick package is happening, unless it’s being rerouted in the deal. I know everyone says he knows nothing but on multiple pods windhorst basically said Morey wants a star in return and wouldn’t take Minnesota’s package without Edwards and ect. I think Morey+ ownership+ Doc equals us not taking a pick package. EVEN IF IT IS THE BEST VALUE. I know a lot of you think that and I probably do too, but I recommend or come up with other ideas strictly because I don’t think they will do it

I don't think they'd take a pick package with a plan of taking all those picks, but given the quality of roster players available currently, I could absolutely see him making a deal for an armful picks and lying in wait for a big name to come open this season.

[eyeatoma]

This isn't 1992. He tore it in April, he'll probably be back playing around mid-season and he'll be back to his normal self by Opening Night 2022, which is 18 months after the injury.

Same thing people said about Klay Thompson, Porzingis, Jabari Parker, Brandon Knight, Jarret Jack, Dante Exum. Let's not forget Derrick Rose. That's not really 1992 is it? That being said, I do acknowledge the ACL injury is no longer a career killer, but it's still a major injury, that has a good chance of impairing you from reaching or maintaining your peak production as a player.

Picking a bunch of guys who weren't good when they were "good", a 32-year old, a guy who had a completely separate injury on his return and a guy who was overweight long before he hurt his knee is.....interesting. Porzingis is the only one who a case can be made for and even that is highly debatable considering his numbers are similar and his "deficiencies" seem more about his max contract then his athleticism.

Achilles injuries can sometimes lead to other issues on the leg, ACLs don't subsequently lead to Achilles problems. To draw a correlation there is just false.

People started complaining about Jabari's weight after he injured himself, not prior. Most thought he was productive before the injury. I don't recall a lot about his weight being an issue around the draft or during his rookie year, I may be wrong. Dante Exum was supposed to be pretty damn good before injuries robbed him of his athleticism. Brandon Knight, was a decent player who could have averaged 18-20 ppg in the right situation. Think you forgot to mention Rose. His play style was a large contributor to his injuries, but he's another recent example.

[NinjaBro]

Is this Murray for Ben a rumor or just hoping for Sixer fans? I have not read anything online at all about it.

The reason why you haven't seen anything outside of this sixers subforum is because it doesn't actually exist