Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[RedSalsa]

Is this Murray for Ben a rumor or just hoping for Sixer fans? I have not read anything online at all about it.

The reason why you haven't seen anything outside of this sixers subforum is because it doesn't actually exist

I see a lottery pick for you guys next year
Ish

[Negrodamus]

Yup, and the first year back from an ACL is always a wash. Typically if everything is okay, and the player has no mental hurdles, they show their true self in March/April of the year they return. Then the following season is when they are back to full speed.

Hence the 2 years.

So one wasted year of Embiid’s prime, which appears to be happening anyway.

If we can get Fox it won't happen. If we can get a bunch of picks and young players you could swing that for Lillard or Beal at the trade deadline along with our stuff. There is still a chance to salvage the season.

It's 2 years, not 1 year. This year, is a gone according to you. Next year, Murray returns and he'll only be his true self in March/April (hopefully). With our medical staff I'm not so sure.

I think it's amusing that you guys want to go with someone who just had a devastating knee injury, knowing our record in rehabbing players. Apart from Jo, we have failed at dealing with players with big injuries forever. We are not the team to get this type of player.

If we’re going by LaVine’s timeline, Jamal will suck the second half of this upcoming year and be back to his form (or better) at the start of the following year. I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t be able to do that. It doesn’t require a full additional year to return to form.

[eyeatoma]

So one wasted year of Embiid’s prime, which appears to be happening anyway.

If we can get Fox it won't happen. If we can get a bunch of picks and young players you could swing that for Lillard or Beal at the trade deadline along with our stuff. There is still a chance to salvage the season.

It's 2 years, not 1 year. This year, is a gone according to you. Next year, Murray returns and he'll only be his true self in March/April (hopefully). With our medical staff I'm not so sure.

I think it's amusing that you guys want to go with someone who just had a devastating knee injury, knowing our record in rehabbing players. Apart from Jo, we have failed at dealing with players with big injuries forever. We are not the team to get this type of player.

If we’re going by LaVine’s timeline, Jamal will suck the second half of this upcoming year and be back to his form (or better) at the start of the following year. I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t be able to do that. It doesn’t require a full additional year to return to form.

Right fair enough. That being said, I really don't see Denver doing this deal, so in the end I feel it's a moot point.

[Sportfan73]

I understand the fascination with this. It's a cool plan, but it's not realistic. Jo is healthy now, he's not going to just sit. The Sixers aren't going to pull a Spurs and tank for Duncan. Jo just signed his max extension, you think Josh Harris wants his 200+ mill player sitting for a season?

Along the same line of thinking, this is why I don’t think the strictly pick package is happening, unless it’s being rerouted in the deal. I know everyone says he knows nothing but on multiple pods windhorst basically said Morey wants a star in return and wouldn’t take Minnesota’s package without Edwards and ect. I think Morey+ ownership+ Doc equals us not taking a pick package. EVEN IF IT IS THE BEST VALUE. I know a lot of you think that and I probably do too, but I recommend or come up with other ideas strictly because I don’t think they will do it

I don't think they'd take a pick package with a plan of taking all those picks, but given the quality of roster players available currently, I could absolutely see him making a deal for an armful picks and lying in wait for a big name to come open this season.

I think they won’t take one at all, and if one is on the table they will wait to make it a 3 team deal

[Rastas]

I think a Ben deal will involve a third team.
What more than just Ben is worth Ingram to you guys - 1 first or add a pickswap as well or additional player/players.
Because the teams with packages for Ben don't seem to be getting Morey's interest , however their packages plus the extra Philly assets could possibly tempt NO since they seem open to pleasing the Zion camp by removing Ingram.
Like the Wolves platter or Cavs platter along with Philly assets could tempt NO.
And if not for Ingram what other AllStar caliber Player (who appears getable) would you consider.

[76ciology]

I dont know why Pels would consider trading Ingram.

If Pels is trading Ingram, its a package to get a top tier star like Dame or probably Beal, similar to what we’re looking for

[Rastas]

I dont know why Pels would consider trading Ingram.

If Pels is trading Ingram, its a package to get a top tier star like Dame or probably Beal, similar to what we’re looking for

So for an Alpha to take even more plays away from Zion.
That's fine if the Pels plan to go in that direction , or if you want to make Zion's camp happy you trade for current and future assets to compliment him.

[76ciology]

I dont know why Pels would consider trading Ingram.

If Pels is trading Ingram, its a package to get a top tier star like Dame or probably Beal, similar to what we’re looking for

So for an Alpha to take even more plays away from Zion.
That's fine if the Pels plan to go in that direction , or if you want to make Zion's camp happy you trade for current and future assets to compliment him.

Come on. We both know that’s a reach.

Zion would be ecstatic to play with Dame.

[Rastas]

I dont know why Pels would consider trading Ingram.

If Pels is trading Ingram, its a package to get a top tier star like Dame or probably Beal, similar to what we’re looking for

So for an Alpha to take even more plays away from Zion.
That's fine if the Pels plan to go in that direction , or if you want to make Zion's camp happy you trade for current and future assets to compliment him.

Come on. We both know that’s a reach.

Zion would be ecstatic to play with Dame.

I'm guessing you have too much Simmonitus from the Philly board to have been paying closer attention to tit bits here n there on other teams boards.
At end of season , Zion's camp expressed their displeasure at Zion's usage shall we say - guess who was taking most of that usage away from him.
Pel's may soon be put in another situation, or can go the Full Zion route similar to 76ers Full Joel route.
I think Zion and his Camp wants him to be a near 40% usage Dominator also.

[pepe1991]

Ideal trade imo, would be for you guys to find third team to make trade around Brogdon as third party would unload Myles Turner

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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2948030-2016-nba-re-draft-is-ben-simmons-still-no-1

[Rastas]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2948030-2016-nba-re-draft-is-ben-simmons-still-no-1

Shhhhhh we want these guys to do the Trade.

[76ciology]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2948030-2016-nba-re-draft-is-ben-simmons-still-no-1

Shhhhhh we want these guys to do the Trade.

Morey probably paid those kids to write him this article

[syntax]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2948030-2016-nba-re-draft-is-ben-simmons-still-no-1

Shhhhhh we want these guys to do the Trade.

Morey probably paid those kids to write him this article

Andy Bailey - Writer for forbes, bleacher report and a lawyer. Apparently a "kid" according to 76ciology - I mean irrelevant kid on a message board.

[76ciology]

Shhhhhh we want these guys to do the Trade.

Morey probably paid those kids to write him this article

Andy Bailey - Writer for forbes, bleacher report and a lawyer. Apparently a "kid" according to 76ciology - I mean irrelevant kid on a message board.

Maybe to you, he’s like your dad but Im 99 years old

[Stanford]

Maybe to you, he’s like your dad but Im 99 years old

Wait, 76ciology from Franklin High School, graduating class 1940? It's me, Stanford!

[Sixersftw]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2948030-2016-nba-re-draft-is-ben-simmons-still-no-1

Shhhhhh we want these guys to do the Trade.

Morey probably paid those kids to write him this article

Adele bought Bleacher report? you'd think that would be bigger news.

[sodmoraes]

My opinion is that if we dont get a good package for Ben we should take an off year. Let Ben sit(without pay) and we let Maxey and Thybulle play a lot so we can see what we have with these players. I know we will waste one year of Embiid´s prime, but we already signed him, so he´s locked for the long run.
We get a good pick and wait for a good package for Ben, and next year we get back at full force. Better than trade Ben for scraps.

[GutUNC]

Same thing people said about Klay Thompson, Porzingis, Jabari Parker, Brandon Knight, Jarret Jack, Dante Exum. Let's not forget Derrick Rose. That's not really 1992 is it? That being said, I do acknowledge the ACL injury is no longer a career killer, but it's still a major injury, that has a good chance of impairing you from reaching or maintaining your peak production as a player.

Picking a bunch of guys who weren't good when they were "good", a 32-year old, a guy who had a completely separate injury on his return and a guy who was overweight long before he hurt his knee is.....interesting. Porzingis is the only one who a case can be made for and even that is highly debatable considering his numbers are similar and his "deficiencies" seem more about his max contract then his athleticism.

Achilles injuries can sometimes lead to other issues on the leg, ACLs don't subsequently lead to Achilles problems. To draw a correlation there is just false.

People started complaining about Jabari's weight after he injured himself, not prior. Most thought he was productive before the injury. I don't recall a lot about his weight being an issue around the draft or during his rookie year, I may be wrong. Dante Exum was supposed to be pretty damn good before injuries robbed him of his athleticism. Brandon Knight, was a decent player who could have averaged 18-20 ppg in the right situation. Think you forgot to mention Rose. His play style was a large contributor to his injuries, but he's another recent example.

As a big UNC fan, I can assure you that concerns about Jabari's weight were there before he turned pro - long before his injury.

Dante Exum never showed anything in the league, before or after his injury.

Rose is a better example, though I think his decline was more about chronic injuries then his isolated ACL tear against the Sixers. If you want to draw a correlation between his ACL tear to the meniscus issues I guess you can, but it's unlikely there's a connection.
And he obviously relied on his quickness/athleticism far more then most.

[GutUNC]

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