OT: Bears Talk - Justin Fields era begins

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What's with Lazor and all these quotes that appear to undercut Nagy's approach with Fields? Has anyone listened to these interviews? What is the context? It's wild if he is saying these things in a way that appears to conflict with what Nagy is doing/saying. How is Nagy allowing this?

It's almost assuredly taken out of context by this reporter in order to serve his agenda of getting Fields to take over.

I just don't get what the big rush is to move Fields in. Dalton did not play poorly, in fact I thought he looked pretty sharp. He didn't miss many passes. Until he plays poorly, and is the reason they aren't winning, I think Nagy will stick with him. It would be nice to see how he does with a full playbook at his disposal. Maybe we will get to see more of that this week.

Andy Dalton was Andy Dalton and that’s the issue. He’s not moving the needle nor the offense for that matter.. it’s probably no secret that Lazor possibly disagrees with sitting fields he sounds like a man who wants fields in their right now. It’s his best offensive weapon and likely knows that Dalton is not giving him the best chance to execute his playbook. But he’s just the OC, and to top things off Nagy took control of play calling this season. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was irritated with Nagy. Not being able to call the plays on top of not having who he likely thinks is the best QB on the field. What’s the point of having an OC if you can’t call the plays. Nagy is no Andy Reid, so it’s understandable to take the backseat to Reid in play calling but Nagy hasn’t proven anything.

The only logical explanation to sit Fields at this point is if you wanted to give the first 3 games to Dalton and have Fields in there against a soft team like the Lions in week 4. But if Andy is still a starter beyond that, without question Nagy needs to be fired end of the year.

[Dresden]

What's with Lazor and all these quotes that appear to undercut Nagy's approach with Fields? Has anyone listened to these interviews? What is the context? It's wild if he is saying these things in a way that appears to conflict with what Nagy is doing/saying. How is Nagy allowing this?

It's almost assuredly taken out of context by this reporter in order to serve his agenda of getting Fields to take over.

I just don't get what the big rush is to move Fields in. Dalton did not play poorly, in fact I thought he looked pretty sharp. He didn't miss many passes. Until he plays poorly, and is the reason they aren't winning, I think Nagy will stick with him. It would be nice to see how he does with a full playbook at his disposal. Maybe we will get to see more of that this week.

Fans are in a rush because of the many years we've been dealing with this pain. But not just that. Yes Dalton didn't play poorly, it was probably on par with Trubisky. But we aren't satisfied with that. We want our instant gratification. We are impatient. We want more than just mediocre play from your QB. We want to see what we think we have in Fields. We want to light up the scoreboard. We want to be able to keep up with the oppositions offense. We want to scream with excitement. Some of us are old and don't want to wait anymore. Some of us are young and don't want to wait either. We want to win. We want to win now. Do we have the team to win now? Who knows. But dangit I want the player that gives us the best chance to win now. And some of us think its Fields. He might just light a fire in the entire team. Put the best players out there period.

Its not hard to understand. Sure, its not the same opinion you have on the situation but there is no right or wrong here.

I do understand why fans want to see Fields. I'm anxious to see what he can do, too, and I'm jazzed that we picked him. But I think all this discussion about Fields v. Dalton is just a distraction. The team has bigger issues. Fans are hoping, as you mentioned, that Fields will get sent in and play like Pat Mahomes, or Colin Kapernick at the start of his 49'er career. But I just don't see much chance that that will happen, and when it doesn't, then where are you?

If the Bears offense was good, then Andy Dalton would look good playing QB in it, I think. But it's not, and having Fields as QB is not likely to make it any better, and I think there's a greater than 50/50 chance it looks worse with him in it right now. You might think it doesn't matter, that he should get the experience if it hurts the teams chances of winning, but I don't think the Bears mgt. sees it that way.

[Brothaman33]

It's almost assuredly taken out of context by this reporter in order to serve his agenda of getting Fields to take over.

I just don't get what the big rush is to move Fields in. Dalton did not play poorly, in fact I thought he looked pretty sharp. He didn't miss many passes. Until he plays poorly, and is the reason they aren't winning, I think Nagy will stick with him. It would be nice to see how he does with a full playbook at his disposal. Maybe we will get to see more of that this week.

Fans are in a rush because of the many years we've been dealing with this pain. But not just that. Yes Dalton didn't play poorly, it was probably on par with Trubisky. But we aren't satisfied with that. We want our instant gratification. We are impatient. We want more than just mediocre play from your QB. We want to see what we think we have in Fields. We want to light up the scoreboard. We want to be able to keep up with the oppositions offense. We want to scream with excitement. Some of us are old and don't want to wait anymore. Some of us are young and don't want to wait either. We want to win. We want to win now. Do we have the team to win now? Who knows. But dangit I want the player that gives us the best chance to win now. And some of us think its Fields. He might just light a fire in the entire team. Put the best players out there period.

Its not hard to understand. Sure, its not the same opinion you have on the situation but there is no right or wrong here.

I do understand why fans want to see Fields. I'm anxious to see what he can do, too, and I'm jazzed that we picked him. But I think all this discussion about Fields v. Dalton is just a distraction. The team has bigger issues. Fans are hoping, as you mentioned, that Fields will get sent in and play like Pat Mahomes, or Colin Kapernick at the start of his 49'er career. But I just don't see much chance that that will happen, and when it doesn't, then where are you?

If the Bears offense was good, then Andy Dalton would look good playing QB in it, I think. But it's not, and having Fields as QB is not likely to make it any better, and I think there's a greater than 50/50 chance it looks worse with him in it right now. You might think it doesn't matter, that he should get the experience if it hurts the teams chances of winning, but I don't think the Bears mgt. sees it that way.

The level to which people are confident Fields is a great QB already is remarkable to me.

The GM that most want fired drafted him, AFTER drafting one of the biggest QB busts in Bears history, on a team that literally hasn't had a great QB in 50 f****** years, being coached by someone who most think can't call a game, behind an offensive line that is horrendous and hurt...

But yet apparently everything will be gravy once we "see what we have" and "he's fast with a big arm".

Yea...I hope he is good. But after 1 game, fans want everyone fired and hate everyone on the team (except Fields)...while at the same time head over heels about watching a rookie QB who some think is already a hall of famer lead us to the promise land.

Does anyone remember Trubisky's stats or the mood of the fanbase after his first preseason?

Yea, neither do I because no one cares or remembers. He just ended up being bad.

I have no problem having Fields sit a few games.

[TheStig]

It's almost assuredly taken out of context by this reporter in order to serve his agenda of getting Fields to take over.

I just don't get what the big rush is to move Fields in. Dalton did not play poorly, in fact I thought he looked pretty sharp. He didn't miss many passes. Until he plays poorly, and is the reason they aren't winning, I think Nagy will stick with him. It would be nice to see how he does with a full playbook at his disposal. Maybe we will get to see more of that this week.

Fans are in a rush because of the many years we've been dealing with this pain. But not just that. Yes Dalton didn't play poorly, it was probably on par with Trubisky. But we aren't satisfied with that. We want our instant gratification. We are impatient. We want more than just mediocre play from your QB. We want to see what we think we have in Fields. We want to light up the scoreboard. We want to be able to keep up with the oppositions offense. We want to scream with excitement. Some of us are old and don't want to wait anymore. Some of us are young and don't want to wait either. We want to win. We want to win now. Do we have the team to win now? Who knows. But dangit I want the player that gives us the best chance to win now. And some of us think its Fields. He might just light a fire in the entire team. Put the best players out there period.

Its not hard to understand. Sure, its not the same opinion you have on the situation but there is no right or wrong here.

I do understand why fans want to see Fields. I'm anxious to see what he can do, too, and I'm jazzed that we picked him. But I think all this discussion about Fields v. Dalton is just a distraction. The team has bigger issues. Fans are hoping, as you mentioned, that Fields will get sent in and play like Pat Mahomes, or Colin Kapernick at the start of his 49'er career. But I just don't see much chance that that will happen, and when it doesn't, then where are you?

If the Bears offense was good, then Andy Dalton would look good playing QB in it, I think. But it's not, and having Fields as QB is not likely to make it any better, and I think there's a greater than 50/50 chance it looks worse with him in it right now. You might think it doesn't matter, that he should get the experience if it hurts the teams chances of winning, but I don't think the Bears mgt. sees it that way.

The Cowboys had a good offense and Andy didn't look good in it. He was alright at best.

[Dresden]

Fans are in a rush because of the many years we've been dealing with this pain. But not just that. Yes Dalton didn't play poorly, it was probably on par with Trubisky. But we aren't satisfied with that. We want our instant gratification. We are impatient. We want more than just mediocre play from your QB. We want to see what we think we have in Fields. We want to light up the scoreboard. We want to be able to keep up with the oppositions offense. We want to scream with excitement. Some of us are old and don't want to wait anymore. Some of us are young and don't want to wait either. We want to win. We want to win now. Do we have the team to win now? Who knows. But dangit I want the player that gives us the best chance to win now. And some of us think its Fields. He might just light a fire in the entire team. Put the best players out there period.

Its not hard to understand. Sure, its not the same opinion you have on the situation but there is no right or wrong here.

I do understand why fans want to see Fields. I'm anxious to see what he can do, too, and I'm jazzed that we picked him. But I think all this discussion about Fields v. Dalton is just a distraction. The team has bigger issues. Fans are hoping, as you mentioned, that Fields will get sent in and play like Pat Mahomes, or Colin Kapernick at the start of his 49'er career. But I just don't see much chance that that will happen, and when it doesn't, then where are you?

If the Bears offense was good, then Andy Dalton would look good playing QB in it, I think. But it's not, and having Fields as QB is not likely to make it any better, and I think there's a greater than 50/50 chance it looks worse with him in it right now. You might think it doesn't matter, that he should get the experience if it hurts the teams chances of winning, but I don't think the Bears mgt. sees it that way.

The Cowboys had a good offense and Andy didn't look good in it. He was alright at best.

that might be a good point. I don't know the facts about his situation with the Cowboys. Was he playing with the same guys that Prescott was playing with, when the offense was so good? In any case, it's a bit apples and oranges. My point is that there are deficiencies in the Bears offense- the line can't pass block, they don't have a great receiving corps, their schemes may be sub-optimal, they don't have any real weapons on offense (other than perhaps Robinson). With all those deficits I just don't see Fields looking very good, or even giving us a better chance to win.

In any case, I repeat what I said before- it's a distraction and waste of time arguing over it. Either Dalton and the offense looks really good, the Bears win some games, in which case fans will likely calm down about Fields playing, OR Dalton and the offense will continue to struggle and we will get our chance to see if Fields makes any difference, which will please the fans, and at that point, we'll get to see if he really can revive the offense or not. But until Dalton and the offense have another 2-3 games to see what they can do, I don't see the point of rushing Fields out there, hoping that he'll perform a miracle.

[the ultimates]

Fans are in a rush because of the many years we've been dealing with this pain. But not just that. Yes Dalton didn't play poorly, it was probably on par with Trubisky. But we aren't satisfied with that. We want our instant gratification. We are impatient. We want more than just mediocre play from your QB. We want to see what we think we have in Fields. We want to light up the scoreboard. We want to be able to keep up with the oppositions offense. We want to scream with excitement. Some of us are old and don't want to wait anymore. Some of us are young and don't want to wait either. We want to win. We want to win now. Do we have the team to win now? Who knows. But dangit I want the player that gives us the best chance to win now. And some of us think its Fields. He might just light a fire in the entire team. Put the best players out there period.

Its not hard to understand. Sure, its not the same opinion you have on the situation but there is no right or wrong here.

I do understand why fans want to see Fields. I'm anxious to see what he can do, too, and I'm jazzed that we picked him. But I think all this discussion about Fields v. Dalton is just a distraction. The team has bigger issues. Fans are hoping, as you mentioned, that Fields will get sent in and play like Pat Mahomes, or Colin Kapernick at the start of his 49'er career. But I just don't see much chance that that will happen, and when it doesn't, then where are you?

If the Bears offense was good, then Andy Dalton would look good playing QB in it, I think. But it's not, and having Fields as QB is not likely to make it any better, and I think there's a greater than 50/50 chance it looks worse with him in it right now. You might think it doesn't matter, that he should get the experience if it hurts the teams chances of winning, but I don't think the Bears mgt. sees it that way.

The level to which people are confident Fields is a great QB already is remarkable to me.

The GM that most want fired drafted him, AFTER drafting one of the biggest QB busts in Bears history, on a team that literally hasn't had a great QB in 50 f****** years, being coached by someone who most think can't call a game, behind an offensive line that is horrendous and hurt...

But yet apparently everything will be gravy once we "see what we have" and "he's fast with a big arm".

Yea...I hope he is good. But after 1 game, fans want everyone fired and hate everyone on the team (except Fields)...while at the same time head over heels about watching a rookie QB who some think is already a hall of famer lead us to the promise land.

Does anyone remember Trubisky's stats or the mood of the fanbase after his first preseason?

Yea, neither do I because no one cares or remembers. He just ended up being bad.

I have no problem having Fields sit a few games.

This isn't about confidence in Fields being a great QB or hall of famer it's about a rookie that should be starting and learning, Him watching bad Andy Dalton from the sidelines does nothing for development. Since this is mainly a basketball board think about in these terms. If a team trades up into the lottery for a player he's going to start from day one, he's not going to sit behind some 33 year old on a one year deal.

[Hold That]

I do understand why fans want to see Fields. I'm anxious to see what he can do, too, and I'm jazzed that we picked him. But I think all this discussion about Fields v. Dalton is just a distraction. The team has bigger issues. Fans are hoping, as you mentioned, that Fields will get sent in and play like Pat Mahomes, or Colin Kapernick at the start of his 49'er career. But I just don't see much chance that that will happen, and when it doesn't, then where are you?

If the Bears offense was good, then Andy Dalton would look good playing QB in it, I think. But it's not, and having Fields as QB is not likely to make it any better, and I think there's a greater than 50/50 chance it looks worse with him in it right now. You might think it doesn't matter, that he should get the experience if it hurts the teams chances of winning, but I don't think the Bears mgt. sees it that way.

The level to which people are confident Fields is a great QB already is remarkable to me.

The GM that most want fired drafted him, AFTER drafting one of the biggest QB busts in Bears history, on a team that literally hasn't had a great QB in 50 f****** years, being coached by someone who most think can't call a game, behind an offensive line that is horrendous and hurt...

But yet apparently everything will be gravy once we "see what we have" and "he's fast with a big arm".

Yea...I hope he is good. But after 1 game, fans want everyone fired and hate everyone on the team (except Fields)...while at the same time head over heels about watching a rookie QB who some think is already a hall of famer lead us to the promise land.

Does anyone remember Trubisky's stats or the mood of the fanbase after his first preseason?

Yea, neither do I because no one cares or remembers. He just ended up being bad.

I have no problem having Fields sit a few games.

This isn't about confidence in Fields being a great QB or hall of famer it's about a rookie that should be starting and learning, Him watching bad Andy Dalton from the sidelines does nothing for development. Since this is mainly a basketball board think about in these terms. If a team trades up into the lottery for a player he's going to start from day one, he's not going to sit behind some 33 year old on a one year deal.

Exactly… what is Justin fields learning by watching andy Dalton fail? I can see Winston learning from Brees, I can see Brady learning from Bledsoe, I can see Mahomes learning from Alex Smith, I can see Rodgers learning from Favre…

But there is literally absolutely NOTHING Fields is learning from Dalton outside of what not to do. Put the kid in.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

We already know what Dalton is. And yes I would take Trubisky over Dalton, Trubisky haters save yourselves the time I’m not going to argue it. Dalton gets us nowhere especially with the defense falling off. But what i really want is to open that present in the corner with the great big bow on it. Now that shiny new toy could possibly entertain me this year, next year, heck maybe a decade. And thats what I watch this team for. Entertainment. I want a show, I want my money’s worth. Stop cheating me. Its been way too many years of getting ripped off.

[Susan]

I do understand why fans want to see Fields. I'm anxious to see what he can do, too, and I'm jazzed that we picked him. But I think all this discussion about Fields v. Dalton is just a distraction. The team has bigger issues. Fans are hoping, as you mentioned, that Fields will get sent in and play like Pat Mahomes, or Colin Kapernick at the start of his 49'er career. But I just don't see much chance that that will happen, and when it doesn't, then where are you?

If the Bears offense was good, then Andy Dalton would look good playing QB in it, I think. But it's not, and having Fields as QB is not likely to make it any better, and I think there's a greater than 50/50 chance it looks worse with him in it right now. You might think it doesn't matter, that he should get the experience if it hurts the teams chances of winning, but I don't think the Bears mgt. sees it that way.

The Cowboys had a good offense and Andy didn't look good in it. He was alright at best.

that might be a good point. I don't know the facts about his situation with the Cowboys. Was he playing with the same guys that Prescott was playing with, when the offense was so good? In any case, it's a bit apples and oranges. My point is that there are deficiencies in the Bears offense- the line can't pass block, they don't have a great receiving corps, their schemes may be sub-optimal, they don't have any real weapons on offense (other than perhaps Robinson). With all those deficits I just don't see Fields looking very good, or even giving us a better chance to win.

In any case, I repeat what I said before- it's a distraction and waste of time arguing over it. Either Dalton and the offense looks really good, the Bears win some games, in which case fans will likely calm down about Fields playing, OR Dalton and the offense will continue to struggle and we will get our chance to see if Fields makes any difference, which will please the fans, and at that point, we'll get to see if he really can revive the offense or not. But until Dalton and the offense have another 2-3 games to see what they can do, I don't see the point of rushing Fields out there, hoping that he'll perform a miracle.

You really don't think David Montgomery is a difference maker?

[TheStig]

I do understand why fans want to see Fields. I'm anxious to see what he can do, too, and I'm jazzed that we picked him. But I think all this discussion about Fields v. Dalton is just a distraction. The team has bigger issues. Fans are hoping, as you mentioned, that Fields will get sent in and play like Pat Mahomes, or Colin Kapernick at the start of his 49'er career. But I just don't see much chance that that will happen, and when it doesn't, then where are you?

If the Bears offense was good, then Andy Dalton would look good playing QB in it, I think. But it's not, and having Fields as QB is not likely to make it any better, and I think there's a greater than 50/50 chance it looks worse with him in it right now. You might think it doesn't matter, that he should get the experience if it hurts the teams chances of winning, but I don't think the Bears mgt. sees it that way.

The Cowboys had a good offense and Andy didn't look good in it. He was alright at best.

that might be a good point. I don't know the facts about his situation with the Cowboys. Was he playing with the same guys that Prescott was playing with, when the offense was so good? In any case, it's a bit apples and oranges. My point is that there are deficiencies in the Bears offense- the line can't pass block, they don't have a great receiving corps, their schemes may be sub-optimal, they don't have any real weapons on offense (other than perhaps Robinson). With all those deficits I just don't see Fields looking very good, or even giving us a better chance to win.

In any case, I repeat what I said before- it's a distraction and waste of time arguing over it. Either Dalton and the offense looks really good, the Bears win some games, in which case fans will likely calm down about Fields playing, OR Dalton and the offense will continue to struggle and we will get our chance to see if Fields makes any difference, which will please the fans, and at that point, we'll get to see if he really can revive the offense or not. But until Dalton and the offense have another 2-3 games to see what they can do, I don't see the point of rushing Fields out there, hoping that he'll perform a miracle.

I don't think the Bears thought they could get a Fields. I think that's why they brought Dalton in. Now that they have Fields and got past the game that they played the top tier defense, it's time to let him play.

I'll be honest, I don't even really get why they brought in Dalton. Is he really a big upgrade over Foles? I think Mitch is the best out of the 3 for this team. Dalton needs to go somewhere like Indy to have a chance. He's just not a starter in this league anymore. Time to see what Fields can do and let him learn this year.

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Please just stop with the propaganda that Dalton did a good job completing easy passes that the Rams let him have therefore he did a good job.

[molepharmer]

What's with Lazor and all these quotes that appear to undercut Nagy's approach with Fields? Has anyone listened to these interviews? What is the context? It's wild if he is saying these things in a way that appears to conflict with what Nagy is doing/saying. How is Nagy allowing this?

It's almost assuredly taken out of context by this reporter in order to serve his agenda of getting Fields to take over.

I just don't get what the big rush is to move Fields in. Dalton did not play poorly, in fact I thought he looked pretty sharp. He didn't miss many passes. Until he plays poorly, and is the reason they aren't winning, I think Nagy will stick with him. It would be nice to see how he does with a full playbook at his disposal. Maybe we will get to see more of that this week.

Andy Dalton was Andy Dalton and that’s the issue. He’s not moving the needle nor the offense for that matter.. it’s probably no secret that Lazor possibly disagrees with sitting fields he sounds like a man who wants fields in their right now. It’s his best offensive weapon and likely knows that Dalton is not giving him the best chance to execute his playbook. But he’s just the OC, and to top things off Nagy took control of play calling this season. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was irritated with Nagy. Not being able to call the plays on top of not having who he likely thinks is the best QB on the field. What’s the point of having an OC if you can’t call the plays. Nagy is no Andy Reid, so it’s understandable to take the backseat to Reid in play calling but Nagy hasn’t proven anything.

The only logical explanation to sit Fields at this point is if you wanted to give the first 3 games to Dalton and have Fields in there against a soft team like the Lions in week 4. But if Andy is still a starter beyond that, without question Nagy needs to be fired end of the year.

You can watch the Lazor presser on youtube

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Lazor does not seem to be in 100% agreement with Nagy and his play calling. Lazor even answers a question with something to the effect of "I'm was not calling the plays."
Fields and the preseason comment was at ~8:10

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Lazor does not seem to be in 100% agreement with Nagy and his play calling. Lazor even answers a question with something to the effect of "I'm not calling the plays."
Fields and the preseason comment was at ~8:10

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[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I like Lazor’s answer to Dalton missing a read to a wide open Kmet. Not sure where Dalton would be today if he didn’t have AJ Green back in the day. Anyways I don’t want to bash the guy, I actually like him and wanted the Bears to sign him last season. But as a backup not a starter. I’ll root for him when he’s in there but this team has so many more opportunities to do more if you play your better players. Fields is not Trubisky. Trubisky needed to be developed more as a qb. He wasn’t confident, he just didn’t have the natural instincts yet. Fields looks like a natural at the position so far. He knows how to play the position and he isn’t afraid of the bright lights and the pressure. He’s cool as a cucumber and just has that swag. I’ll try to be patient, I’m sure he’ll be starting before we know it. But I’m just having a hard time trusting Nagy.

[ATRAIN53]

so all this talk of replacing Nagy-

is there a list of replacements that were salivating over?

There aren't many legends or retreads left.
Jobs seem to go to the hot coordinator of thew week - which is how we ended up with TRESTMAN and Nagy.

I don't think he's great, but he does have experience now which is more than like say us hiring the next hot coordinator of the week that doesn't have any head coaching experience.....

Do we want a hot young college coach?

I never thought I'd miss Lovie Smith so much......

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

so all this talk of replacing Nagy-

is there a list of replacements that were salivating over?

There aren't many legends or retreads left.
Jobs seem to go to the hot coordinator of thew week - which is how we ended up with TRESTMAN and Nagy.

I don't think he's great, but he does have experience now which is more than like say us hiring the next hot coordinator of the week that doesn't have any head coaching experience.....

Do we want a hot young college coach?

I never thought I'd miss Lovie Smith so much......

I just want Nagy to give up play calling again

Fields can work his way in as a starter then lets see what we have.

[sco]

please become good!

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/bears-sign-intriguing-tackle-alex-taylor-to-practice-squad/

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8-) please become good!

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/bears-sign-intriguing-tackle-alex-taylor-to-practice-squad/

Yes, Castillo can take these guys off the sidewalk because, Castillo. Hes THAT good. According to Pace, he’s the best

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Hardly surprising.