Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[Kobblehead]

I've seen a recent rush of people trying to defend that play.

Guys, the criticism has never solely been about that play, in a vacuum. That play is simply a microcosm of the entire Ben Simmons experience.

If true then TRADE HIM. Oh its not true? Ben is good and you want an all-star for him? Thanks for the input.

I wish Ben was on a contract that reflected his talent so we could trade him appropriately. Max guys are hard to move. Most other max guys are real allstars. So a role player on a max doesn't have a lot of trade value. Other teams aren't lining up to trade their star for a role player.

[Stanford]

If true then TRADE HIM.

Okay I will!

[Iverson Armband]

I've seen a recent rush of people trying to defend that play.

Guys, the criticism has never solely been about that play, in a vacuum. That play is simply a microcosm of the entire Ben Simmons experience.

If true then TRADE HIM. Oh its not true? Ben is good and you want an all-star for him? Thanks for the input.

He’s pathetic, but even you are atleast smart enough to know we’re not going to just give him away after all we’ve invested in him right?

Morey has been trying to trade your boy for about 12 months now. Problem is, nobody wants him.

[syntax]

I've seen a recent rush of people trying to defend that play.

Guys, the criticism has never solely been about that play, in a vacuum. That play is simply a microcosm of the entire Ben Simmons experience.

If true then TRADE HIM. Oh its not true? Ben is good and you want an all-star for him? Thanks for the input.

I wish Ben was on a contract that reflected his talent so we could trade him appropriately. Max guys are hard to move. Most other max guys are real allstars. So a role player on a max doesn't have a lot of trade value. Other teams aren't lining up to trade their star for a role player.

He's not a "real" all-star now? Nice mental gymnastics. Teams aren't lining up because Morey has zero leverage. Par for the course for disgruntled stars wanting out. When has a star requesting a trade netted equal value in return? Never? Why is this situation different? Morey needs his head read.

[Tomjas]

I've seen a recent rush of people trying to defend that play.

Guys, the criticism has never solely been about that play, in a vacuum. That play is simply a microcosm of the entire Ben Simmons experience.

If true then TRADE HIM. Oh its not true? Ben is good and you want an all-star for him? Thanks for the input.

I wish Ben was on a contract that reflected his talent so we could trade him appropriately. Max guys are hard to move. Most other max guys are real allstars. So a role player on a max doesn't have a lot of trade value. Other teams aren't lining up to trade their star for a role player.

Just lol

Beal completely sucks when it comes to winning games

Most Sixers fans would trade Simmons and gut our roster for Beal and we would be waaaaaaaay worse

Bbbbbut jumpers

[Kobblehead]

If true then TRADE HIM. Oh its not true? Ben is good and you want an all-star for him? Thanks for the input.

I wish Ben was on a contract that reflected his talent so we could trade him appropriately. Max guys are hard to move. Most other max guys are real allstars. So a role player on a max doesn't have a lot of trade value. Other teams aren't lining up to trade their star for a role player.

Just lol

Beal completely sucks when it comes to winning games

Most Sixers fans would trade Simmons and gut our roster for Beal and we would be waaaaaaaay worse

Bbbbbut jumpers

Who cares about Bradley Beal?

Ben Simmons just gave us 11.9 ppg in 12 playoff games making $30m+. Awful value.

[Tomjas]

I wish Ben was on a contract that reflected his talent so we could trade him appropriately. Max guys are hard to move. Most other max guys are real allstars. So a role player on a max doesn't have a lot of trade value. Other teams aren't lining up to trade their star for a role player.

Just lol

Beal completely sucks when it comes to winning games

Most Sixers fans would trade Simmons and gut our roster for Beal and we would be waaaaaaaay worse

Bbbbbut jumpers

Who cares about Bradley Beal?

Ben Simmons just gave us 11.9 ppg in 12 playoff games making $30m+. Awful value.

And smoked Beal & WB in the process

Be careful what you wish for

[Rastas]

I've seen a recent rush of people trying to defend that play.

Guys, the criticism has never solely been about that play, in a vacuum. That play is simply a microcosm of the entire Ben Simmons experience.

If true then TRADE HIM. Oh its not true? Ben is good and you want an all-star for him? Thanks for the input.

He’s pathetic, but even you are atleast smart enough to know we’re not going to just give him away after all we’ve invested in him right?

Morey has been trying to trade your boy for about 12 months now. Problem is, nobody wants him.

What exactly has Philly invested in him?
Do you mean all the $ that every other team would have also given him.
Maybe the 3 x AllStar and All NBA Defensive Team seasons weren't good enough for some of you.
Do you all think Ben should just smile and take it the way Morey and many of you on here have treated him.
But to be truthful Morey and the Angry Fan's along with Doc's comment are all just little add on's , Ben mainly wants to leave Philly for the same reason no other Top 10 / 15 player wants to come - He does not want to Play Embiid Ball anymore.
If only Joel was willing to play a 25% plus role instead of demanding the almost 40% I'm the Dominator role we would not be experiencing this crazy Trade Ben offseason.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

lol the contract length is more for the smaller markets than anything.

The best players wouldn't mind being able to hold decision level events every FA.

Yall need to get over this idea that the team can just own players for as long as they want. If a dude wants out...he wants out. Its not really the normal boss/ employee relationship and more of a partnership if anything. Both sides need the other and thus each side gives and takes. Whining about how these players don't want to play in certain cities or only for certain situations is pointless. These dudes are young millionaires with great gifts...that comes with being able to make choices/demands that us not young millionaires with little to no gifts can't make. Thats life lol.

Ben asking out sucks because he needs to look in a damn mirror and realize he is the problem...BUT even if he did do that, him getting a fresh start elsewhere is probably for the best for both parties at this stage. AD asking out was the correct choice, not even using hindsight because the Pels weren't going to build a contender around him. Harden asking out was also correct because that team was capped out. Bron leaving the Cavs the first time made total sense because of similar reasons. Now each of these guys went about it in the worst ways...so they deserve heat for that but if you take a step back...you can understand their issues.

I think a lot of fans are simply too close to their respective teams that they take "player wants out" as "player hates me and everything I stand for" lol.

tldr: you are never going to be able to force people to stay in situations they don't like. No ammount of rule changes will help that.

When has the saying “don’t let the inmates run the asylum” ever worked out?

He signed a massive lucrative contract, honor it. If he asks to be traded, hit ‘em hard in the bank account. Daily.

These athletes have been catered to and never been told no their whole lives. That’s why someone like Ben has the balls to slap his organization and thinks he can get away with it…. All because they questioned his drive in the playoffs. He’s paid 35 to 40 million to play basketball where he severely lacks the most important skill to play the game. His market sucks because of that alone. Morey is finding this out now.

I think Ben sucks it up for the first time in his life and gets back out there when this is all said and done, for the sixers.

The problem is my man, Ben was encouraged all season by Doc by continue playing the way he always has. Then all of the sudden when the Sixers lose in the playoffs, Ben is thrown under the bus for playing the way the coaching staff have always told him to play. Obviosuly this is Doc covering his ass and shifting blame for blowing multiple double digit leads by sitting the starters (ie Ben). In this scenario, I would not ever want to play for said backstabbing pathetic excuse for an NBA "coach" again. So here we are.

Ah didn’t know that. Well doc and Ben should both man up and try to smooth things out. In an internet driven, social media world where nobody has ever been wrong, maybe this is a time where both can say they f’d up.

Doubtful tho.

[syntax]

I wish Ben was on a contract that reflected his talent so we could trade him appropriately. Max guys are hard to move. Most other max guys are real allstars. So a role player on a max doesn't have a lot of trade value. Other teams aren't lining up to trade their star for a role player.

Just lol

Beal completely sucks when it comes to winning games

Most Sixers fans would trade Simmons and gut our roster for Beal and we would be waaaaaaaay worse

Bbbbbut jumpers

Who cares about Bradley Beal?

Ben Simmons just gave us 11.9 ppg in 12 playoff games making $30m+. Awful value.

11.9 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 8.8 apg, 1.3 stl. 0.8 blk on .621 fg%.

Good job assessing his value in the playoff games.

Box plus minus 4.3. Win share 1.4.

Advanced metrics show this was Ben's best playoff performance to date. Sit down.

[Negrodamus]

The playoffs isn’t the first time Ben has been criticized for his game. If that is a prevailing thought, then they haven’t been following this team or is completely detached from this team.

Ben’s shortcomings on offense has been a multi year ordeal now.

[Eyeamok]

It's insane that Ben Simmons is this (ocean sized) chasm of being a willing 27% from 3 shooter away from being a jacked up and much more skilled version of a top five playoff performer (12 ppg) from this decade.

Ship this head-case out so he can activate his career second wind & be free.

Shouldn't have been trying to make him into a 3 point shooter, should have just been encouraging his aggressiveness, mid-range game and FT shooting this whole time. It was the poor FT shooting that marred him this last playoffs.

Hopefully wherever he goes next they just focus on improving on what he was doing out of college.

Been saying this all along. This ridiculous obsession with three pointers, Brown's public demands of shot quotas, all of it missed the real point, which as you said should have been about creating an aggressive mindset. Simply becoming a solid free throw shooter (70+%), developing a couple pet post moves and maybe a floater, and just learning to finish around the rim combined with his defense and passing would have made him a top 10 player in the sport.

This is all moot at this point, of course, but the thoughts of what could have been will always be frustrating.

Absolutely not. Ben may have been pushed to take more 3 point shots...but guess what he did not. So what was he doing all this time ? All these years ? Practicing 3 point shots and just waiting to unleash them at the right moment?

Ben has not been interested in improving in any area that he does not deem important. What could have been is what is.

You have a subborn, flawed yet talented young player that has insulated himself from any outside suggestions of improvement and just wants to do things his way. And this is the result. Embiid was just as raw if not more so than Ben and yet he improved. Player development was a big theme for this team for a long time. Look at players like TJ, Holmes and Grant all improved and became better players than when they were drafted. Do you know why because they worked on their game and deficits. They listened learned and took some initiative, something that seems lacking in Simmons.

[syntax]

The playoffs isn’t the first time Ben has been criticized for his game. If that is a prevailing thought, then they haven’t been following this team or is completely detached from this team.

Ben’s shortcomings on offense has been a multi year ordeal now.

The stats and metrics don't show this but hey, keep that head in the sand and parrot the narrative. He isn't a "real" all-star afterall.

[syntax]

If true then TRADE HIM. Oh its not true? Ben is good and you want an all-star for him? Thanks for the input.

He’s pathetic, but even you are atleast smart enough to know we’re not going to just give him away after all we’ve invested in him right?

Morey has been trying to trade your boy for about 12 months now. Problem is, nobody wants him.

What exactly has Philly invested in him?
Do you mean all the $ that every other team would have also given him.
Maybe the 3 x AllStar and All NBA Defensive Team seasons weren't good enough for some of you.
Do you all think Ben should just smile and take it the way Morey and many of you on here have treated him.
But to be truthful Morey and the Angry Fan's along with Doc's comment are all just little add on's , Ben mainly wants to leave Philly for the same reason no other Top 10 / 15 player wants to come - He does not want to Play Embiid Ball anymore.
If only Joel was willing to play a 25% plus role instead of demanding the almost 40% I'm the Dominator role we would not be experiencing this crazy Trade Ben offseason.

Sixers need to take notes from the Rockets.

Wall is owed almost $100mil over 2 years but the Rockets have agreed to trade him and let him sit out until he is traded.

Earth to Morey, this is how you deal with the situation with dignity and respect for both parties.

[Samson]

LMFAO @ "Dignity & Respect".

When you're getting HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PLAY A CHILDS GAME FOR A FEW HOURS A DAY, LESS THAN HALF OF THE YEAR, and you act like a PUNK SNITCH BEEATCH, you can take your Dignity & Respect and place them directly on The Sticking Place, because you obviously don't have your COURAGE affixed to The Sticking Place.

I mean really now. How bout you STFU and do the job you're contracted to do, the one you promised you'd do if and when got your SuperMax ...

Whether any NBA player wants to acknowledge it or not, they're EMPLOYEES. Nothing less, nothing more.

[syntax]

LMFAO @ "Dignity & Respect".

When you're getting HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PLAY A CHILDS GAME FOR A FEW HOURS A DAY, LESS THAN HALF OF THE YEAR, and you act like a PUNK SNITCH BEEATCH, you can take your Dignity & Respect and place them directly on The Sticking Place, because you obviously don't have your COURAGE affixed to The Sticking Place.

I mean really now. How bout you STFU and do the job you're contracted to do, the one you promised you'd do if and when got your SuperMax ...

Whether any NBA player wants to acknowledge it or not, they're EMPLOYEES. Nothing less, nothing more.

Good job calling Shaq, Barkley, CP3, Kyrie, Kawhi, Wall, Harden, AD and numerous others who requested out "PUNK SNITCH BEEATCH" with no "COURAGE". A disgruntled superstar NBA player is not like a pissed off "EMPLOYEE" like Karen from accounting. Good input though.

[Mik317]

I don't understand how the Ben bois constantly find new ways to cape for their guy but it is rather impressive.

The strawmen and goal post moving is amazing.

Ben is a good player that can help a team win games.

Ben has hit a wall in each of his playoff runs.

Ben brings things to the table that this team will miss and find hard to fully replace.

Ben is the last move we can make.

Ben is such a weird player that making a move is hard because the other team needs to be specifically built for him and he has not proven to be good enough to justify it.

This isn't a situation in which Ben either sucks or he is the greatest thing ever. Its somewhere in the middle and it is fluid. However the fact is that due to previous mistakes, moving off Ben is the only major move to make. So regardless if you think he's great or not, thats the bottom line. Thus you canvas the league for his value and hope someone bites and gives up all you can get and go from there. Its not an inditement on Ben persay but rather the reality of the situation. Ben however has not exactly made that as hard of a choice as you'd think it should be. Dude has flamed out in every single playoff. That is the reality of the situation. B-but Embiid had bad games too tho...yeah he has but he also often went down swinging. Ben didn't even try. Yeah some dick heads would still be mad but if Ben came out in game 7 and shot like hot ass, forced the issue, missed FTs and at least attempted to fail..that would be better than him legitamately running away from the ball and then having the gall to go...but my assists tho and Trae didn't shoot that well doe. Embiid for all of his issues...never blames his injuries or fitness..or points to his points in a loss. Even after his big "throw Ben under the bus" moment, he went on to say he has to be better and his turnovers were also a reason we loss. Thats why when Embiid fails, people aren't as harsh on him. So next goal post...'bu-but Tobias tho". Yeah he was bad but I don't think anyone is caping for Tobias. He is what he is. He's not the guy. We all know that but Elton paaaaaid him so we are stuck with him. AND again to his credit, prior to him reverting to his worst qualities, he put in work this whole season and at least showed some attempts at being better at some of those flaws.... Ben has not. Ben doesn't even take those **** turn around shots any more. He doesn't even take his messed up hook shots. He regressed. And why is that? We have more shooters than ever before. He is still the main ball handler. You can attempt to blame Biid but that wasn't a problem in years prior.

Like yall need to hold your boy to the fire occasionally. Embiid was a fat POS in years prior. Dude also needs to stop trying to be superman. He has his issues. But I know despite those flaws (and lets be real everyone has flaws and will always have them) we all know he is going to try his hardest...often to a fault out there. Which makes those short comings less annoying. I too worry about building around a big oaf center in todays NBA but unlike Okafor or say Drummond, Embiid gives a **** and will at the very least make an attempt.

I don't want to just give Ben away. I am tired as **** of these conversations and while it would be great to purge this board of all of the dudes who worship him...that would just be hurting the team longterm. Ben is a good NBA player. He can be better. I just don't know if he will do it here and at this stage I don't know if he even has the self awareness to improve. Which is exactly why you look to see what you can get for him


AGain this isn't rocket science.

[Mik317]

like dude is really out here caping for Ben's playoff performance?

he shot 31% from the FT line.

Didn't take a shot in MULTIPLE 4th quarters.

Does Ben/Klutch pay you or something?

[Rastas]

LMFAO @ "Dignity & Respect".

When you're getting HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PLAY A CHILDS GAME FOR A FEW HOURS A DAY, LESS THAN HALF OF THE YEAR, and you act like a PUNK SNITCH BEEATCH, you can take your Dignity & Respect and place them directly on The Sticking Place, because you obviously don't have your COURAGE affixed to The Sticking Place.

I mean really now. How bout you STFU and do the job you're contracted to do, the one you promised you'd do if and when got your SuperMax ...

Whether any NBA player wants to acknowledge it or not, they're EMPLOYEES. Nothing less, nothing more.

Oh Dear
You may well think of them as Employees, but Reality is they are the Talent.
Very Expensive and Very Valuable Talent.

[syntax]

I don't understand how the Ben bois constantly find new ways to cape for their guy but it is rather impressive.

The strawmen and goal post moving is amazing.

Ben is a good player that can help a team win games.

Ben has hit a wall in each of his playoff runs.

Ben brings things to the table that this team will miss and find hard to fully replace.

Ben is the last move we can make.

Ben is such a weird player that making a move is hard because the other team needs to be specifically built for him and he has not proven to be good enough to justify it.

This isn't a situation in which Ben either sucks or he is the greatest thing ever. Its somewhere in the middle and it is fluid. However the fact is that due to previous mistakes, moving off Ben is the only major move to make. So regardless if you think he's great or not, thats the bottom line. Thus you canvas the league for his value and hope someone bites and gives up all you can get and go from there. Its not an inditement on Ben persay but rather the reality of the situation. Ben however has not exactly made that as hard of a choice as you'd think it should be. Dude has flamed out in every single playoff. That is the reality of the situation. B-but Embiid had bad games too tho...yeah he has but he also often went down swinging. Ben didn't even try. Yeah some dick heads would still be mad but if Ben came out in game 7 and shot like hot ass, forced the issue, missed FTs and at least attempted to fail..that would be better than him legitamately running away from the ball and then having the gall to go...but my assists tho and Trae didn't shoot that well doe. Embiid for all of his issues...never blames his injuries or fitness..or points to his points in a loss. Even after his big "throw Ben under the bus" moment, he went on to say he has to be better and his turnovers were also a reason we loss. Thats why when Embiid fails, people aren't as harsh on him. So next goal post...'bu-but Tobias tho". Yeah he was bad but I don't think anyone is caping for Tobias. He is what he is. He's not the guy. We all know that but Elton paaaaaid him so we are stuck with him. AND again to his credit, prior to him reverting to his worst qualities, he put in work this whole season and at least showed some attempts at being better at some of those flaws.... Ben has not. Ben doesn't even take those **** turn around shots any more. He doesn't even take his messed up hook shots. He regressed. And why is that? We have more shooters than ever before. He is still the main ball handler. You can attempt to blame Biid but that wasn't a problem in years prior.

Like yall need to hold your boy to the fire occasionally. Embiid was a fat POS in years prior. Dude also needs to stop trying to be superman. He has his issues. But I know despite those flaws (and lets be real everyone has flaws and will always have them) we all know he is going to try his hardest...often to a fault out there. Which makes those short comings less annoying. I too worry about building around a big oaf center in todays NBA but unlike Okafor or say Drummond, Embiid gives a **** and will at the very least make an attempt.

I don't want to just give Ben away. I am tired as **** of these conversations and while it would be great to purge this board of all of the dudes who worship him...that would just be hurting the team longterm. Ben is a good NBA player. He can be better. I just don't know if he will do it here and at this stage I don't know if he even has the self awareness to improve. Which is exactly why you look to see what you can get for him


AGain this isn't rocket science.

Want the stats and metrics again for Ben's playoff games?

11.9 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 8.8 apg, 1.3 stl. 0.8 blk on .621 fg%.

Box plus minus 4.3. Win share 1.4.

His best playoff stats/metrics yet.

If you think it's Ben's job to score in the playoffs, when that wasn't his job all year in the RS, time to get outraged over something else.