Wizards Board COVID-19 Thread

[Kanyewest]

Getting the vaccination for younger people still saves everyone money by preventing hospitalizations even if it's a magnitude smaller than people over 50 - at least they are willing to take the vaccine - not to mention that younger children tend to transmit diseases better than anyone. From personal experience I have gotten sick from nephew/niece 4 times from their preschool in the 4 years prior to Covid and I didn't even live in the same state!

[DCZards]

All this talk about who should be vaccinated and who we shouldn’t worry about vaccinating is a dangerous diversion. The fact is that more people of all ages are dying and being hospitalized from being unvaccinated than they are from the vaccination itself. That should be reason enough to support getting as many people as possible vaccinated.

Sure there are health-related reasons why some people shouldn’t be vaccinated. I get that. But using people’s age and current state of health as an excuse for not worrying about them being vaccinated is a deeply flawed approach that threatens the health, safety and economic security of all of us…not just the unvaccinated.

[nate33]

Vaccinate the obese and diabetic people under 50. Not the healthy ones.

[nate33]

All this talk about who should be vaccinated and who we shouldn’t worry about vaccinating is a dangerous diversion. The fact is that more people of all ages are dying and being hospitalized from being unvaccinated than they are from the vaccination itself.

That's not a fact. For boys under 18, data is showing that the vaccine may well be more dangerous. And for those with natural immunity, the vaccine is a totally unnecessary risk.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

[tontoz]

All this talk about who should be vaccinated and who we shouldn’t worry about vaccinating is a dangerous diversion. The fact is that more people of all ages are dying and being hospitalized from being unvaccinated than they are from the vaccination itself.

That's not a fact. For boys under 18, data is showing that the vaccine may well be more dangerous. And for those with natural immunity, the vaccine is a totally unnecessary risk.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

Pretty big hole in this analysis.

The covid cases they are only looking at 7 day hospitalizations which will obviously be a small percentage of the actual cases. You have to be in really bad shape to be inpatient for 7 days or more.

he rate of CAE is 3.7 to 6.1 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk as of August 21, 2021 (7-day hospitalizations 1.5/100k population)

With the vaccine patients they found these cases through VAERS just by using keywords that would fit the CDC definition of myocarditis. No mention at all of the length of hospital stays, or if they were admitted to the hospital at all.

Symptom search criteria included the words chest pain, myocarditis, pericarditis and myopericarditis to identify children with evidence of cardiac injury. The word troponin was a required element in the laboratory findings. Inclusion criteria were aligned with the CDC working case definition for probable myocarditis. Stratified cardiac adverse event (CAE) rates were reported for age, sex and vaccination dose number. A harm-benefit analysis was conducted using existing literature on COVID-19-related hospitalization risks in this demographic.

The only way for the comparison to be valid if we only look at vaccine cases which resulted in 7+ day hospital stays.

Also there is the disclaimer that the study isn't peer reviewed.

[Ruzious]

More true death stories... I just talked to my work friend (yes, I only have one), and she told me her 59 year old cousin who was in great physical shape - a weight lifter and very good tennis player - died the other day from Covid. On his Facebook page, he posted a bunch of ads from anti-vax organizations. He obviously didn't get the vaccine. Shortly before he died he admitted what a fool he was to not get it. She's at her wit's end not understanding how this situation could have happened to a cousin who she's been close with her entire life. And thing is, his mother also died from Covid, but that was before the vaccine was available. He must have understood that if the vaccine had been available for his mother, it probably would have saved her life. And yet, he not only didn't take it, he fought against it on social media...

[dckingsfan]

Vaccinate the obese and diabetic people under 50. Not the healthy ones.

So, promoting this is willfully ignoring everything posted previously about hospitalizations.

Those that promote this are unintentionally killing people. Those who continue to post such material after being presented with the information are intentionally killing people although it might not break through their cognitive dissonance barriers.

[doclinkin]

All this talk about who should be vaccinated and who we shouldn’t worry about vaccinating is a dangerous diversion. The fact is that more people of all ages are dying and being hospitalized from being unvaccinated than they are from the vaccination itself.

That's not a fact. For boys under 18, data is showing that the vaccine may well be more dangerous. And for those with natural immunity, the vaccine is a totally unnecessary risk.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

medRxiv (pronounced "med-archive") is an Internet site distributing unpublished eprints about health sciences.[1][2][3][4] It distributes complete but unpublished manuscripts in the areas of medicine, clinical research, and related health sciences without charge to the reader. Such manuscripts have yet to undergo peer review and the site notes that preliminary status and that the manuscripts should not be considered for clinical application, nor relied upon for news reporting as established information

Now we read where co-author Josh Stevenson is on the board of "Rational Ground", a public policy advocacy group created to counter government policy on COVID. The bios of other key members of this group include statements like:

"Len grew up in South Florida and is the son of Cuban immigrants who fled communist persecution in 1961 so he’s a little touchy about government overreach."

This affiliation was not disclosed

Competing Interest Statement
The authors have declared no competing interest.

[tontoz]

28 yr old anitvaxer asks people to pray for her

.In so much pain’: Political activist Laura Loomer, who wished for COVID, now has it


Outspoken anti vaxxer and alt-right agitator Laura Loomer is feeling the effects of COVID-19.

The 28-year-old Barry University alum
announced she had contracted the virus on conservative social media platform Gettr Wednesday

“I had a fever, chills, a runny nose, sore throat, nausea and severe body aches that made my whole body feel like I got hit by a bus,

“Just pray for me, please. Can’t even begin to explain how brutal the body aches and nausea that come with COVID are. I am in so much pain.”

https://news.yahoo.com/much-pain-political-activist-laura-203143470.html

[Ruzious]

28 yr old anitvaxer asks people to pray for her

.In so much pain’: Political activist Laura Loomer, who wished for COVID, now has it


Outspoken anti vaxxer and alt-right agitator Laura Loomer is feeling the effects of COVID-19.

The 28-year-old Barry University alum
announced she had contracted the virus on conservative social media platform Gettr Wednesday

“I had a fever, chills, a runny nose, sore throat, nausea and severe body aches that made my whole body feel like I got hit by a bus,

“Just pray for me, please. Can’t even begin to explain how brutal the body aches and nausea that come with COVID are. I am in so much pain.”

https://news.yahoo.com/much-pain-political-activist-laura-203143470.html

I can't wish that on her. Hope she gets better.

[DCZards]

CNN just ran a story about how hospitals in Idaho are so overwhelmed with unvaccinated people that they are faced with denying service to cancer patients and patients needing transplants. Idaho is begging hospitals in Washington state to take some of its Covid patients.

Idaho is 49th in the country in the % of people vaccinated at around 40% and Washington state is 9th in the nation at around 61%.

Tell me again how the “personal choice” not to get vaccinated only affects the individual making that “personal choice.”

[Dat2U]

CNN just ran a story about how hospitals in Idaho are so overwhelmed with unvaccinated people that they are faced with denying service to cancer patients and patients needing transplants. Idaho is begging hospitals in Washington state to take some of its Covid patients.

Idaho is 49th in the country in the % of people vaccinated at around 40% and Washington state is 9th in the nation at around 61%.

Tell me again how the “personal choice” not to get vaccinated only affects the individual making that “personal choice.”

It's personal choice when someone has a terrible diet but no one suggests denying care to folks that intake sugar, fast foods at unhealthy levels. That might hit too close to home for many.

Taking illegal drugs is a personal choice but no one says let's deny care to the person having an overdose.

Drinking alcohol is a personal choice but frankly why should anyone care or pay if you decide to wreck your liver. But we do.

Many engage in self-destructive behaviors that hurt themselves and potentially negatively impact others .... but we as society still treat and care for these people despite the decisions made.

Why is this vaccine so different? Where folks can now literally make snap judgements about each other's character solely based on their vax status? Why are we willing to treat all other self-destructive behaviors but not getting the vax is where the line is drawn?

[doclinkin]

CNN just ran a story about how hospitals in Idaho are so overwhelmed with unvaccinated people that they are faced with denying service to cancer patients and patients needing transplants. Idaho is begging hospitals in Washington state to take some of its Covid patients.

Idaho is 49th in the country in the % of people vaccinated at around 40% and Washington state is 9th in the nation at around 61%.

Tell me again how the “personal choice” not to get vaccinated only affects the individual making that “personal choice.”

It's personal choice when someone has a terrible diet but no one suggests denying care to folks that intake sugar, fast foods at unhealthy levels. That might hit too close to home for many.

Taking illegal drugs is a personal choice but no one says let's deny care to the person having an overdose.

Drinking alcohol is a personal choice but frankly why should anyone care or pay if you decide to wreck your liver. But we do.

Many engage in self-destructive behaviors that hurt themselves and potentially negatively impact others .... but we as society still treat and care for these people despite the decisions made.

Why is this vaccine so different? Where folks can now literally make snap judgements about each other's character solely based on their vax status? Why are we willing to treat all other self-destructive behaviors but not getting the vax is where the line is drawn?

You cannot contract obesity if a fat guy breathes on you. You will not catch an overdose from sitting at a bar next to a junkie. Your grandmother won't choke to death with a tube down her throat because you chose to drink a handle of whiskey. Studies show that in not taking a vaccine means you are 71% more likely to pass the infection on to a family member living in the same house than if you had been vaccinated and caught a break thru infection. (Study on the Delta variant I read from a link at the CIDRAP website.)

This is not just SELF destructive behavior, but is about reducing the collective viral load to prevent the virus from spreading. And to prevent new and more dangerous mutations.

The vaccine is a plane load of fire retardant dumped on trees ahead of a wildfire. If a mess of spruces said "we refuse to get wet, we don't know what might happen if that stuff is poured over here, what if I drown, I read a story once where a trinidad fir tree got swollen pine cones when they took a chinese fire retardant, I want to do my own research by reading facebook posts from people who agree with me politically" .... All while that wild fire is spreading towards town. Then yeah the personal choice of those trees is dangerous when they act as the tinder that immolates the ancient sequoias in the old growth section of the forest.

Now you can say, well, it is natural and healthy for a forest to catch fire and burn some times to clear up dead brush etc. But if you did in this case you are a cold hard heartless bastard for saying: well he made a bad choice to overeat or not take pains to live a healthy lifestyle, etc etc. The numbers are not numbers. They are people choking to death with a tube down their throat. Every digit of that 600,000+ in america is a spark of humanity that also loved their mom or is missed by their five year old daughter. ANYTHING we can to to prevent needless death is the duty of all caring human beings. And protecting the safety and health of those individual people drowning in their own decaying lungs is the point and purpose of government. Even if those individual digits don't feel like it is their duty to help any other neighboring digit because they value their personal choice over anybody else's whole damn life. Otherwise why have civilization and government in the first place. We agree to follow certain rules so life is generally more livable and we don't have to protect ourselves against the dude who lives next door. Obeying law is a personal choice, but the laws are there so even if you don't feel like it you still have to make decisions that protect the greater good.

One poke in the arm and a day of a booboo in the injection site of a miracle of science that was swiftly invented and has proven remarkably free of side effects so far in the world's largest mass trial of a new medicine. Yeah, you might be anxious with various what ifs. Still, those what ifs are far less likely to kill someone than this sudden aerosol infection that has killed 1 in 500 americans.

[doclinkin]

Kizzmekia Corbett. I live under a rock. I did not know the lead scientist of the NIH/Moderna vaccine was a black woman. A cool thing to show my daughter.

[Ruzious]

CNN just ran a story about how hospitals in Idaho are so overwhelmed with unvaccinated people that they are faced with denying service to cancer patients and patients needing transplants. Idaho is begging hospitals in Washington state to take some of its Covid patients.

Idaho is 49th in the country in the % of people vaccinated at around 40% and Washington state is 9th in the nation at around 61%.

Tell me again how the “personal choice” not to get vaccinated only affects the individual making that “personal choice.”

It's personal choice when someone has a terrible diet but no one suggests denying care to folks that intake sugar, fast foods at unhealthy levels. That might hit too close to home for many.

Taking illegal drugs is a personal choice but no one says let's deny care to the person having an overdose.

Drinking alcohol is a personal choice but frankly why should anyone care or pay if you decide to wreck your liver. But we do.

Many engage in self-destructive behaviors that hurt themselves and potentially negatively impact others .... but we as society still treat and care for these people despite the decisions made.

Why is this vaccine so different? Where folks can now literally make snap judgements about each other's character solely based on their vax status? Why are we willing to treat all other self-destructive behaviors but not getting the vax is where the line is drawn?

Taking a vaccine involves taking a shot twice - that's 2 decisions, 2 things to do.

Eating poorly enough to get sick literally involves millions of decisions and choices made.

The difference there is impossible not to understand. And yet here we are.

[tontoz]

You can't lose 60 pounds by taking a couple of shots. People can be obese for decades before ending up in the ICU. And so on and on....

Some of these comparisons don't make sense.

I lost 30 pounds a few years ago. It was tough and took several months. It was easier for me than it would be for most people because I've been going to the gym my entire adult life. All I had to do was change my eating habits which sounds easy but in practice it wasn't.

[DCZards]

CNN just ran a story about how hospitals in Idaho are so overwhelmed with unvaccinated people that they are faced with denying service to cancer patients and patients needing transplants. Idaho is begging hospitals in Washington state to take some of its Covid patients.

Idaho is 49th in the country in the % of people vaccinated at around 40% and Washington state is 9th in the nation at around 61%.

Tell me again how the “personal choice” not to get vaccinated only affects the individual making that “personal choice.”

It's personal choice when someone has a terrible diet but no one suggests denying care to folks that intake sugar, fast foods at unhealthy levels. That might hit too close to home for many.

Taking illegal drugs is a personal choice but no one says let's deny care to the person having an overdose.

Drinking alcohol is a personal choice but frankly why should anyone care or pay if you decide to wreck your liver. But we do.

Many engage in self-destructive behaviors that hurt themselves and potentially negatively impact others .... but we as society still treat and care for these people despite the decisions made.

Why is this vaccine so different? Where folks can now literally make snap judgements about each other's character solely based on their vax status? Why are we willing to treat all other self-destructive behaviors but not getting the vax is where the line is drawn?

Obesity, alcoholism, taking illegal drugs, etc., has never put thousands (if not millions) out of work pretty much overnight; closed hundreds (if not thousands) of restaurants and other businesses; shutdown air travel; made schools and colleges have to go entirely virtual; forced us to wear masks and social distance; prevented families from being with their loved ones in the last days of their lives or giving them a proper homegoing; stopped fans from being present at sporting events; put burdens on hospitals to the point where they had to set up tents and beds in the parking lot…and I could go on.

There’s a BIG difference between something that causes a pandemic and those other illnesses you talk about.

[tontoz]

We also have to consider the doctors and nurses on the front lines of this battle. Just imagine what their work days are like right now.

My workday is just sitting at home on my computer all day. They are struggling just trying to keep people alive but there isn't much they can do. Watching so many people die day after day, week after week, month after month from something that could have easily been prevented has to take a toll. They are begging us to get vaccinated. They aren't asking for much.

[tontoz]

Idaho's vaccination rate is 40.6%. How is that working out for them?

Idaho Is Rationing Health Care Statewide As It Struggles To Cope With COVID-19

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Idaho public health leaders on Thursday expanded health care rationing statewide amid a massive increase in the number of coronavirus patients requiring hospitalization.

The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare made the announcement after St. Luke's Health System, Idaho's largest hospital network, on Wednesday asked state health leaders to allow "crisis standards of care" because the increase in COVID-19 patients has exhausted the state's medical resources.

Idaho is one of the least vaccinated U.S. states, with only about 40% of its residents fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Only Wyoming and West Virginia have lower vaccination rates.

Crisis care standards mean that scarce resources such as ICU beds will be allotted to the patients most likely to survive. Other patients will be treated with less effective methods or, in dire cases, given pain relief and other palliative care.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/16/1037987107/idaho-rations-health-care-statewide-covid-19-coronavirus-hospital

[Kanyewest]

In Maryland, the 0-19 age group is right around 30% of all cases in the past 14 days. They could be on the verge of surpassing the 20-39 age group for highest proportion of cases.