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Post#1301 » by Milbucks96 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:04 am

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Milbucks96 wrote:Ddv is a lil better with more upside but I’ll pay Pat before I pay ddv. His ability to play 2-4 is so valuable and they’re the same caliber of shooter and while ddv is a better ball handler/passer/off the dribble shooter, Pat is sneaky better at attacking close outs just because he can actually finish at the rim without having to be wide open. Add in health and him most likely being cheaper, it would be an easy decision for me.

DDV is a better defender, younger, and will most likely improve a lot more whereas Pat is pretty close to a finished product.

Yea but Pat was huge in both our deep playoff runs whereas ddv was on the bench. Ddv is better but not by that much honestly and he’s had two serious injuries in his left foot and a serious injury in his right foot in college.

It’s cliche but your best ability is availability and you have to cross your fingers just for him to play deep into the playoffs. If I had to choose between paying pat 5-8 million and ddv 10-15 million I’m going with Pat.

Ddv is a better individual defender but Pat has more versatility being able to guard 1-4. I wouldn’t bank on Donte improving that much also as his short arms and need to jump off two feet for any lift is the thing that keeps him terrible around the rim. And he shot good from 3 this year but was that the product of no fans all year like jrue? He shot really bad from 2 and his overall percentage was just 42 percent.
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Post#1302 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:17 am

Foot injuries scare the hell out of me when deciding how much to offer DDV
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Post#1303 » by MVP2110 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:10 am

Either way, between Bobby, Donte, Grayson, & Pat I will be so curious to see who the Bucks keep around next offseason
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Post#1305 » by M-C-G » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:10 pm

I love DDV but Pat earned his stay here and now DDV needs to outperform Allen or I am guessing he is a one year prove it deal type guy


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Post#1306 » by jute2003 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:28 pm

If he can get back healthy and give good minutes, even off the bench, I would bet that some team will give him a decent contract. It might not be The Bucks but somebody will take a chance on the young guy that plays hard and is a good defender. The foot injuries are the suck though.


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Post#1307 » by M-C-G » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:35 pm

jute2003 wrote:If he can get back healthy and give good minutes, even off the bench, I would bet that some team will give him a decent contract. It might not be The Bucks but somebody will take a chance on the young guy that plays hard and is a good defender. The foot injuries are the suck though.


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If he can stay healthy, I agree, he gets hurt again and yikes.
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Post#1308 » by DrWood » Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:38 pm

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Ddv is a better individual defender but Pat has more versatility being able to guard 1-4. I wouldn’t bank on Donte improving that much also as his short arms and need to jump off two feet for any lift is the thing that keeps him terrible around the rim. And he shot good from 3 this year but was that the product of no fans all year like jrue? He shot really bad from 2 and his overall percentage was just 42 percent.

To be fair, Pat can only guard about half of the 1's and 4's in the league--the ones without much of an offensive game. DDV can probably guard a few more 1's, and fewer 4's.
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Post#1309 » by TroyD92 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:44 pm

DDV is starting the year with an injury right? Guy hasn't played a single full season in his entire career and he's 25 in January. He's missed some really key developmental time due to injuries.
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Post#1310 » by giannis and 1 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:59 pm

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giannis and 1 wrote:
Milbucks96 wrote:Ddv is a lil better with more upside but I’ll pay Pat before I pay ddv. His ability to play 2-4 is so valuable and they’re the same caliber of shooter and while ddv is a better ball handler/passer/off the dribble shooter, Pat is sneaky better at attacking close outs just because he can actually finish at the rim without having to be wide open. Add in health and him most likely being cheaper, it would be an easy decision for me.

DDV is a better defender, younger, and will most likely improve a lot more whereas Pat is pretty close to a finished product.

Yea but Pat was huge in both our deep playoff runs whereas ddv was on the bench. Ddv is better but not by that much honestly and he’s had two serious injuries in his left foot and a serious injury in his right foot in college.

It’s cliche but your best ability is availability and you have to cross your fingers just for him to play deep into the playoffs. If I had to choose between paying pat 5-8 million and ddv 10-15 million I’m going with Pat.

Ddv is a better individual defender but Pat has more versatility being able to guard 1-4. I wouldn’t bank on Donte improving that much also as his short arms and need to jump off two feet for any lift is the thing that keeps him terrible around the rim. And he shot good from 3 this year but was that the product of no fans all year like jrue? He shot really bad from 2 and his overall percentage was just 42 percent.

I think Pat will be looking for 8m minimum. At that point we have to walk away. DDV will be worth 14-15m. He is just sooo much better at defending. That is really valuable.
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Post#1311 » by giannis and 1 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:21 am

I’m fine with moving on from DDV but if we lose him for nothing, that would be terrible. You can’t just lose assets for nothing. He’s a 24 year old with a lot of growth left in his game. He has a lot fo value to us and it would be a mistake to not get something back for him.
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Post#1314 » by Milbucks96 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:49 am

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giannis and 1 wrote:DDV is a better defender, younger, and will most likely improve a lot more whereas Pat is pretty close to a finished product.

Yea but Pat was huge in both our deep playoff runs whereas ddv was on the bench. Ddv is better but not by that much honestly and he’s had two serious injuries in his left foot and a serious injury in his right foot in college.

It’s cliche but your best ability is availability and you have to cross your fingers just for him to play deep into the playoffs. If I had to choose between paying pat 5-8 million and ddv 10-15 million I’m going with Pat.

Ddv is a better individual defender but Pat has more versatility being able to guard 1-4. I wouldn’t bank on Donte improving that much also as his short arms and need to jump off two feet for any lift is the thing that keeps him terrible around the rim. And he shot good from 3 this year but was that the product of no fans all year like jrue? He shot really bad from 2 and his overall percentage was just 42 percent.

I think Pat will be looking for 8m minimum. At that point we have to walk away. DDV will be worth 14-15m. He is just sooo much better at defending. That is really valuable.

We can agree to disagree but not paying a guy who played 30mpg in the finals and was probably the 5th best player on the team during that series 8 million vs paying a guy 15 million that you don’t know if he can get to that point is crazy to me. The idea of Donte is worth 15 million to but the reality is far from it, even when healthy IMO.
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Post#1316 » by giannis and 1 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:55 am

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Milbucks96 wrote:Yea but Pat was huge in both our deep playoff runs whereas ddv was on the bench. Ddv is better but not by that much honestly and he’s had two serious injuries in his left foot and a serious injury in his right foot in college.

It’s cliche but your best ability is availability and you have to cross your fingers just for him to play deep into the playoffs. If I had to choose between paying pat 5-8 million and ddv 10-15 million I’m going with Pat.

Ddv is a better individual defender but Pat has more versatility being able to guard 1-4. I wouldn’t bank on Donte improving that much also as his short arms and need to jump off two feet for any lift is the thing that keeps him terrible around the rim. And he shot good from 3 this year but was that the product of no fans all year like jrue? He shot really bad from 2 and his overall percentage was just 42 percent.

I think Pat will be looking for 8m minimum. At that point we have to walk away. DDV will be worth 14-15m. He is just sooo much better at defending. That is really valuable.

We can agree to disagree but not paying a guy who played 30mpg in the finals and was probably the 5th best player on the team during that series 8 million vs paying a guy 15 million that you don’t know if he can get to that point is crazy to me. The idea of Donte is worth 15 million to but the reality is far from it, even when healthy IMO.

When both are healthy, DDV is the better player. You really think Pat would have got those minutes with DDV heathy?

DDV right now is worth 11-12m imo, 15m is just what I think he will be worth when he’s a finished product. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that improvement. Furthermore, if we sign Pat, we would be paying him into his 30’s as opposed to DDV being in his mid 20’s.
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Post#1317 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:40 am

DDV has been injured 2 of his 3 seasons and will likely be out awhile to start this season. No way is he worth $11-12 million "right now". When healthy yes but he needs to stay on the court. Too many NBA players careers have suffered due to various foot injuries.
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Post#1318 » by Daver » Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:45 am

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Milbucks96 wrote:
giannis and 1 wrote:I think Pat will be looking for 8m minimum. At that point we have to walk away. DDV will be worth 14-15m. He is just sooo much better at defending. That is really valuable.

We can agree to disagree but not paying a guy who played 30mpg in the finals and was probably the 5th best player on the team during that series 8 million vs paying a guy 15 million that you don’t know if he can get to that point is crazy to me. The idea of Donte is worth 15 million to but the reality is far from it, even when healthy IMO.

When both are healthy, DDV is the better player. You really think Pat would have got those minutes with DDV heathy?

DDV right now is worth 11-12m imo, 15m is just what I think he will be worth when he’s a finished product. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that improvement. Furthermore, if we sign Pat, we would be paying him into his 30’s as opposed to DDV being in his mid 20’s.
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Post#1319 » by Daver » Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:47 am

How do you know that what we are seeing right now out of DDV isnt the finished product already.Can u honestly say you saw that big of improvement from DDV from 2nd year to last year
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Post#1320 » by raferfenix » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:59 am

I like Donte and have high hopes for him.

However until proven otherwise I’m hoping Grayson Allen plays so well that he seizes the starting 2 spot and we never look back.

Donte was never meant to be a starter here. It only happened due to Bogdan.

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