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2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

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Grade the Suns off-season moves so far

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Post#4401 » by JDLAW » Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:59 pm

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That would have been great, though Horford seems like he would have been a better fit if he was playing with Amare and we wanted a guy with shooting range. They may have had him shooting 3s sooner.

But he was actually putting up better #s earlier than Noah. He was at nearly a double double in his 2nd year and like 14-15 ppg in his 3rd year 09-10.

He actually averaged more assists his first 4 or so years in the league than Noah too. Noah never averaged that many until like his 6th year.

And the year the Hawks added Horford they also got a lot better, which is why our pick we got from them was like 10th the next year.


Maybe. Guess I don't remember him as well since those Hawks teams were so unforgettable. He would've been fine too. Depends on who jumped into that 3rd pick slot I guess to if he's available.

Who was running the team then? Was Kerr our GM by then, I know we had Pringles but can't remember who the top guy was.


Well the trade I believe was Bryan Colangelo, so that is what counts...



You are correct. Colangelo executed the trade for Diaw, but it was under duress because Johnson wanted to leave for the Hawks. He wanted to be the main man on the Hawks, in part because of money, in part because of respect or disrespect as the case may be, and in part because he chaffed being the fourth option on the Suns. They all kind of fit together. The Suns wanted Boris Diaw for a long time. Bryan Colangelo had his eye on Diaw for a couple of years before he was acquired and attempted to trade a couple of 2nd round picks for him after Diaw's 2nd year in Atlanta. Atlanta wanted a 1st. Atlanta never really knew what to do with Diaw. There were a lot of Suns fans disappointed when they received Diaw as the player in the trade, only to later be pleased that he found his footing in Phoenix playing next to Marion and Nash - Amare was out for the year. The magical team from 2004-05 was torn asunder primarily because of Johnson's defection, but there were a lot of other changes (Q-Rich for Thomas) which made the 2005-06 team a completely different team in personnel and somewhat different in style because it lacked the explosive PnR game of the previous year. That team sort of resembled the Pre-KD GSW teams.

Q-Rich and a 1st were sent out for Kurt Thomas in large part to satisfy Amare because Amare did not want to center and it was thought that Thomas, even thought not very tall or long could handle the Center position while Amare shifted to PF. The trade of Q-Rich and never really did much after the Suns. It is kind of fun to think of what the Suns might have looked like if they had traded for Diaw, obtained Nash to go along with Amare, Joe Johnson and Marion.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4402 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:36 am


Is he on point? Or is Barnes just being Salty over his history with the suns?
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4403 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:10 am

Hoop Central (@TheHoopCentral) Tweeted:
2022 NBA Free-Agent Rankings: Bridges, Bagley among top-10 forwards

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Mikal Bridges ranked #2 Sounds pretty accurate. Although, I'm not sure he really shouldn't be ahead of Michael Porter Jr actually too.
2. Mikal Bridges - Phoenix Suns - Restricted

Another member of the 2018 draft class, Bridges isn't as offensively gifted as Porter Jr., but he has established himself as a phenomenally well-rounded player and integral part of a Suns team that advanced all the way to the NBA Finals last season. In the process, Bridges averaged a career-high 13.5 points, 4.3 rebounds and 1.9 threes while posting a True Shooting percentage of 66.7%. According to ESPN's Zach Lowe, rival executives expect Bridges to secure a deal in the neighborhood of $20 million per season on his next contract.

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Robert Covington, Otto Porter Jr., P.J. Tucker, Jeremy Lamb, Derrick Jones Jr., Carmelo Anthony, Nicolas Batum (player option), Bobby Portis (player option), Al-Farouq Aminu, Andre Iguodala, Taurean Prince.


Anyone from this list that catches people's eye as a potential key piece IF we're able to dump Saric in the Thaddeus Young deal? If we do the deal, And Young leaves and doesn't resign, we'll have around 14 million ( I think) in space to add someone from that list???

Depending upon the price ( we'll still have to resign Shamet too)! I'd like any of : Covington, Porter, Derrick Jones Jr, Bobby Portis, Nik Batum, or Al Fariq Aminu perhaps. Not sure about Prince honestly.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4404 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:42 am

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Is he on point? Or is Barnes just being Salty over his history with the suns?

What's your take on the Warriors being pencilled in at #2?
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4405 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:15 am

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Is he on point? Or is Barnes just being Salty over his history with the suns?

What's your take on the Warriors being pencilled in at #2?

Honestly, I don't think there's any legitimate way that they get/ hold the 2nd seed. Even as Klay returns, They'll have rust and a modicum of chemistry issues with getting all the new players acclimated with the system. I strongly believe that they'll come in near the end of the season around the 6th seed with Dallas holding down the 5th. Golden state will be exciting to watch. But they'll have some issues on getting back into form and rythym for sure.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4406 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:31 am

I think it's going to be Jazz, Suns and Lakers fighting for the top 3 seeds. They you'll have Warriors, Clippers, Nuggets and Mavs for the 4-6. Everything would have to go right (or other teams go wrong) for the Warriors to break into that top 3.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4407 » by Slim Charless » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:59 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Is he on point? Or is Barnes just being Salty over his history with the suns?

What's your take on the Warriors being pencilled in at #2?

Honestly, I don't think there's any legitimate way that they get/ hold the 2nd seed. Even as Klay returns, They'll have rust and a modicum of chemistry issues with getting all the new players acclimated with the system. I strongly believe that they'll come in near the end of the season around the 6th seed with Dallas holding down the 5th. Golden state will be exciting to watch. But they'll have some issues on getting back into form and rythym for sure.


I agree here, I think the Dubs are getting the 6-8th seed. Maybe even play-in. They have too many moving pieces and they'll actually need Klay to play like Old Klay. I'm not sure he will and the west is way to tough for them to be able to bring him along slowly.

I have us, LAL and Denver (if Murray can come back around the ASB) as the best teams in the west. Lakers are dependent on a lot of old dudes but they are pretty deep so they can survive some injuries. Dallas has Luka, but I'm real suspicious of KP to be able to be a true Robin for him. Little no faith in NOP and the Clips need PG13 to play like he did in the playoffs all season long...and even then it'll be tough.

I'll add if PDX can make a good trade of CJ they can make some noise. That's only if they get someone like Simmons to pair with Dame though.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4408 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:07 am

Regular Season Tiers:

1. Lakers
2. Utah
3. Phoenix
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4. GSW
5. Denver
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7. Portland
8. Dallas
9. New Orleans
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4409 » by Frank Lee » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:24 pm

Man… I get the long lost love for dogpiling Sarver, but trading Kurt T is all on Kerr. That was an amateur move that lacked any imagination/balls. Might have been one of his first deals. Furthermore, it is my understanding the lux tax does not get tallied until after the trade deadline.
Kerrnal Klink had ample time figure it out. One of the worst trades in the Nash era. Not letting him off the hook on a deal that has such a negative impact.

letting lonesome JoeJ go didn’t help either. But as mentioned by Diddy, it was an accommodating maneuver
At least we did get positive return.



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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4410 » by King4Day » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:55 pm

After hearing Flex speak about how the reason the Thad deal hasn't gone down is because they have to wait the 60 days and other players/teams may be involved, I wanted to see how people will react if he's right again.

It's a pretty specific thing to add. If he's right, I'm not saying people need to love this guy, but I'd have to think that's enough to believe the guy has real contacts and didn't get lucky on the Paul move.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4411 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:20 pm

60 day thing is annoying.

Earliest he'd be with us is 4th game of pre-season and if we're waiting there's no gaurantees.

Players are announced before their actual deals are ratified all the time though.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4412 » by Bogyo » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:57 pm

King4Day wrote:After hearing Flex speak about how the reason the Thad deal hasn't gone down is because they have to wait the 60 days and other players/teams may be involved, I wanted to see how people will react if he's right again.

It's a pretty specific thing to add. If he's right, I'm not saying people need to love this guy, but I'd have to think that's enough to believe the guy has real contacts and didn't get lucky on the Paul move.


Yes and no - I mean the 60 day period is a well know thing, read it elsewhere when Thad rumours only circulated on Suns forums, and weren't aired on national(ish) media. Flex only picked this reasoning up now(ish), his previous "reports" (read: tweets) were about "lots of moving parts", "might not come to fruition" "asking too much", etc... Those were NOT about this very simple and well known rule. Again, he is not bringing up groundbreaking stuff here. And again, I would have no problem with him if he were a poster here making logical points about the suns moves / possible moves in a normal fashion like we all do. But with him trying to grab fame and composing tweets in a deliberately vague way while trying to sound all smart and in the know is a bit much for my taste. #pukegif
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4413 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:54 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Man… I get the long lost love for dogpiling Sarver, but trading Kurt T is all on Kerr. That was an amateur move that lacked any imagination/balls. Might have been one of his first deals. Furthermore, it is my understanding the lux tax does not get tallied until after the trade deadline.
Kerrnal Klink had ample time figure it out. One of the worst trades in the Nash era. Not letting him off the hook on a deal that has such a negative impact.

letting lonesome JoeJ go didn’t help either. But as mentioned by Diddy, it was an accommodating maneuver
At least we did get positive return.



True to form, GoK all over the scrap pile, trying to salvage TBey 8-)


True to form, GoK all over the scrap pile, trying to salvage TBey 8-)

Lol......... Sure! :lol:
I just see Bey as a low usage glue guy that could be very versatile for us as a defensive playmaker off the bench. I think were at the point as a franchise, and with big contracts already being an imminent restrictive factor, That our end of bench considerations as a championship contending team should be centered around players that are low usage (as not to inhibit our core/ rotation growth), Yet still have specific potentially elite skillsets or attributes that can compliment our set rotation players.

I think Bey can be an elite rebounder ( as he's already shown) and also a potentially elite disruptive defender both on the perimeter and as a weakside recovery defender in the post as well. He maybe doesn't have the trajectory of a Mikal Bridges obviously, But I believe he could at the very least somewhat emulate the defensive compliment that Andre Roberson or Matisse Thybulle provided for their teams ( IF given actual minutes) over time. At the very least he could be a lesser version of Bridges off our bench to provide a very nice multipositional defensive compliment to our potent bench scorers in Payne/ Shamet/ Johnson. And if only on a training camp deal or a two way or exhibit 10, The commitment is a minimal risk with a potentially high reward if he fits well.

I see our team's missing remaining pieces being those tough, edgy, high energy, blue collar "glue guys" ( defensive playmakers) that can be disruptive and help energize our team as needed with big defensive plays and timely rebounds etc. AND IF Hutchinson can find his shooting consistency, And Bey can further develop his offensive consistency through actual playing time, our bench wing rotations could be very solid at a minimal cost.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4414 » by bwgood77 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:39 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Hoop Central (@TheHoopCentral) Tweeted:
2022 NBA Free-Agent Rankings: Bridges, Bagley among top-10 forwards

https://t.co/ubogaP3ae3
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Mikal Bridges ranked #2 Sounds pretty accurate. Although, I'm not sure he really shouldn't be ahead of Michael Porter Jr actually too.
2. Mikal Bridges - Phoenix Suns - Restricted

Another member of the 2018 draft class, Bridges isn't as offensively gifted as Porter Jr., but he has established himself as a phenomenally well-rounded player and integral part of a Suns team that advanced all the way to the NBA Finals last season. In the process, Bridges averaged a career-high 13.5 points, 4.3 rebounds and 1.9 threes while posting a True Shooting percentage of 66.7%. According to ESPN's Zach Lowe, rival executives expect Bridges to secure a deal in the neighborhood of $20 million per season on his next contract.

Best of the Rest

Robert Covington, Otto Porter Jr., P.J. Tucker, Jeremy Lamb, Derrick Jones Jr., Carmelo Anthony, Nicolas Batum (player option), Bobby Portis (player option), Al-Farouq Aminu, Andre Iguodala, Taurean Prince.


Anyone from this list that catches people's eye as a potential key piece IF we're able to dump Saric in the Thaddeus Young deal? If we do the deal, And Young leaves and doesn't resign, we'll have around 14 million ( I think) in space to add someone from that list???

Depending upon the price ( we'll still have to resign Shamet too)! I'd like any of : Covington, Porter, Derrick Jones Jr, Bobby Portis, Nik Batum, or Al Fariq Aminu perhaps. Not sure about Prince honestly.


Bagley sucks...especially for a guy wanting the max.

Odd they put his name in the title since he's ranked 9th...and Blake Griffin 8th? At least Bridges is 2nd.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4415 » by bwgood77 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:45 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Is he on point? Or is Barnes just being Salty over his history with the suns?

What's your take on the Warriors being pencilled in at #2?


I like it...IF Klay is back to form. Him and Curry together are unstoppable. Curry has the MOST gravity in the league, and Klay is the best shooter in the league, or one of the best. KD made it back and Klay relies on less.

Curry was unstoppable last year.

Then people underestimate Draymond as a 3rd guy and perfect complement to those two when they are healthy. Obviously he can't be the #1 or #2 guy on your team.

Then Wiggins is better. If Otto Porter gets even close to previous self, that is a dangerous team.

Then Wiseman in year 2 probably makes a major leap, and they got, what two top 7 rookies? They are probably at least solid reserves...or at least one of them.

Iguodala back for leadership, Kevon Looney is solid, Moses Moody solid big last year, Bjelica decent backup.

Pretty deep with high end starting talent and a top 3-4 player in the NBA in my opinion.

Also you can't discount a TON of finals experience.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4416 » by bwgood77 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:48 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Man… I get the long lost love for dogpiling Sarver, but trading Kurt T is all on Kerr. That was an amateur move that lacked any imagination/balls. Might have been one of his first deals. Furthermore, it is my understanding the lux tax does not get tallied until after the trade deadline.
Kerrnal Klink had ample time figure it out. One of the worst trades in the Nash era. Not letting him off the hook on a deal that has such a negative impact.

letting lonesome JoeJ go didn’t help either. But as mentioned by Diddy, it was an accommodating maneuver
At least we did get positive return.

True to form, GoK all over the scrap pile, trying to salvage TBey 8-)


Yeah, but Kerr obviously wouldn't have made that trade if not for Sarver ultimatum. Could he have done better? Maybe. That remains unknown but I'm sure he looked at various deals. I imagine he could have done better, and its the worst trade ever given no value back and big value just to move, but I won't put that all on Kerr, not even more than maybe 20%.

It's obviously not a deal a GM wants to make unless he has directions to do what it takes to get rid of the KT contract.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4417 » by bwgood77 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:54 pm

King4Day wrote:After hearing Flex speak about how the reason the Thad deal hasn't gone down is because they have to wait the 60 days and other players/teams may be involved, I wanted to see how people will react if he's right again.

It's a pretty specific thing to add. If he's right, I'm not saying people need to love this guy, but I'd have to think that's enough to believe the guy has real contacts and didn't get lucky on the Paul move.


It's a well known requirement.

I am curious what contacts you think he has? Inside the front office? Doesn't seem they leak, and if they did, my guess is that a bigger name would report on this...almost certainly. Even if they did leak this to CP3 or something..you think he immediately gives Flex a call?

You think he has connections to the Spurs?

I think the OKC Paul trade was well known with the house search.

He makes a lot of predictions. I didn't hear anything regarding Jalen Smith...or real unexpected insight. Thad was reported early when received by the Spurs that they may move him and Phx could be a destination and he jumped on it as a possibility as have others.

What possible legit source really calls him up? This FO isn't so careless. I think they deserve a little more respect.

Like I've said, I think it could definitely go down, but it is decent speculative guess based on rumored potential Thad destinations.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4418 » by bwgood77 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:56 pm

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King4Day wrote:After hearing Flex speak about how the reason the Thad deal hasn't gone down is because they have to wait the 60 days and other players/teams may be involved, I wanted to see how people will react if he's right again.

It's a pretty specific thing to add. If he's right, I'm not saying people need to love this guy, but I'd have to think that's enough to believe the guy has real contacts and didn't get lucky on the Paul move.


Yes and no - I mean the 60 day period is a well know thing, read it elsewhere when Thad rumours only circulated on Suns forums, and weren't aired on national(ish) media. Flex only picked this reasoning up now(ish), his previous "reports" (read: tweets) were about "lots of moving parts", "might not come to fruition" "asking too much", etc... Those were NOT about this very simple and well known rule. Again, he is not bringing up groundbreaking stuff here. And again, I would have no problem with him if he were a poster here making logical points about the suns moves / possible moves in a normal fashion like we all do. But with him trying to grab fame and composing tweets in a deliberately vague way while trying to sound all smart and in the know is a bit much for my taste. #pukegif


I don't mind him wanting his 15 minutes and taking advantage to all those people on twitter craving sources and falling under the spell, but I am just surprised so many actually do take it seriously, particularly knowledgeable long time Suns fans.

But I understand how he is entertaining to some. I listened a little to his Bridges/Ayton extension thing and a lot of what he said has already been talked about extensively here...some of it almost verbatim.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4419 » by Blonde » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:51 pm

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King4Day wrote:After hearing Flex speak about how the reason the Thad deal hasn't gone down is because they have to wait the 60 days and other players/teams may be involved, I wanted to see how people will react if he's right again.

It's a pretty specific thing to add. If he's right, I'm not saying people need to love this guy, but I'd have to think that's enough to believe the guy has real contacts and didn't get lucky on the Paul move.


It's a well known requirement.

I am curious what contacts you think he has? Inside the front office? Doesn't seem they leak, and if they did, my guess is that a bigger name would report on this...almost certainly. Even if they did leak this to CP3 or something..you think he immediately gives Flex a call?

You think he has connections to the Spurs?

I think the OKC Paul trade was well known with the house search.

He makes a lot of predictions. I didn't hear anything regarding Jalen Smith...or real unexpected insight. Thad was reported early when received by the Spurs that they may move him and Phx could be a destination and he jumped on it as a possibility as have others.

What possible legit source really calls him up? This FO isn't so careless. I think they deserve a little more respect.

Like I've said, I think it could definitely go down, but it is decent speculative guess based on rumored potential Thad destinations.


Whether I think he has legitimate, consistent sources or not, Flex was the first person to break that the Suns/Thunder were discussing a Paul deal. That is an objective fact. I don’t think he was shooting in the dark on that one like he probably has been since that point. There’s really no reason to put the guy down (or any other self proclaimed “insider”). Nobody here thinks he’s the next Woj, they’re just having some fun discussing rumors.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#4420 » by bwgood77 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:58 pm

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King4Day wrote:After hearing Flex speak about how the reason the Thad deal hasn't gone down is because they have to wait the 60 days and other players/teams may be involved, I wanted to see how people will react if he's right again.

It's a pretty specific thing to add. If he's right, I'm not saying people need to love this guy, but I'd have to think that's enough to believe the guy has real contacts and didn't get lucky on the Paul move.


It's a well known requirement.

I am curious what contacts you think he has? Inside the front office? Doesn't seem they leak, and if they did, my guess is that a bigger name would report on this...almost certainly. Even if they did leak this to CP3 or something..you think he immediately gives Flex a call?

You think he has connections to the Spurs?

I think the OKC Paul trade was well known with the house search.

He makes a lot of predictions. I didn't hear anything regarding Jalen Smith...or real unexpected insight. Thad was reported early when received by the Spurs that they may move him and Phx could be a destination and he jumped on it as a possibility as have others.

What possible legit source really calls him up? This FO isn't so careless. I think they deserve a little more respect.

Like I've said, I think it could definitely go down, but it is decent speculative guess based on rumored potential Thad destinations.


Whether I think he has legitimate, consistent sources or not, Flex was the first person to break that the Suns/Thunder were discussing a Paul deal. That is an objective fact. I don’t think he was shooting in the dark on that one like he probably has been since that point. There’s really no reason to put the guy down (or any other self proclaimed “insider”). Nobody here thinks he’s the next Woj, they’re just having some fun discussing rumors.


Yeah, obviously he enjoys it as do many many others just like with Gambo.

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