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[Ballerhogger]

Kings future first draft pick bagely and buddy is looking more and more likely. You pair fox and Simmons with hailburton have nice 3 guard team …

[BullyKing]

Kings future first draft pick bagely and buddy is looking more and more likely. You pair fox and Simmons with hailburton have nice 3 guard team …

Sorry but your takes are just awful. There is no chance Philly ever accepts that offer and you just keep repeating yourself despite no one agreeing with you.

[JRoy]

OKC trades 2025 PHI 1st (top 6 protected) for 2028 unprotected PHI 1st. Allows trade of:

Portland gets:

Ben Simmons
Tyrese Maxey
Matisse Thybulle
2022 PHI 1st, 2023 PHI swap, 2024 PHI 1st, 2025 PHI swap, 2026 PHI 1st, 2027 PHI swap

Philadelphia gets:

Damian Lillard
Tony Snell

OKC gets:
Furkan Korkmaz (in return for top 55 protected 2nd or something but really for making the 25/28 swap).

Philly gives up the house for having 2 stars. Portland gets a pretty damn good return for Lillard and Olshey gets pressure off for a while.

Lillard isn’t on the table right now. Period. Shouldn’t be hard for Morey/fans to understand that fact.

With that said, does Portland really want Simmons if trading Dame? Portland fans would have to chime in.

No.

CJ + for YSBS

Lillard not on the table

[Ballerhogger]

Kings future first draft pick bagely and buddy is looking more and more likely. You pair fox and Simmons with hailburton have nice 3 guard team …

Sorry but your takes are just awful. There is no chance Philly ever accepts that offer and you just keep repeating yourself despite no one agreeing with you.

If you think your getting a value for value for Ben after the season starts then be my guest to think that .

[Ballerhogger]

Morey has the 1st to get him traded before Ben makes half of his contract.

[BullyKing]

Kings future first draft pick bagely and buddy is looking more and more likely. You pair fox and Simmons with hailburton have nice 3 guard team …

Sorry but your takes are just awful. There is no chance Philly ever accepts that offer and you just keep repeating yourself despite no one agreeing with you.

If you think your getting a value for value for Ben after the season starts then be my guest to think that .

There's a difference between getting equal value for Simmons and trading him for the slop you are throwing around. Bagley is a negative contract. Hield is a negative contract. The first maybe overcomes their negative contracts if I'm being generous. None of that even starts to get into Simmons' value and I don't think these are really debatable positions.

[Ballerhogger]

Sorry but your takes are just awful. There is no chance Philly ever accepts that offer and you just keep repeatingt yourself despite no one agreeing with you.

If you think your getting a value for value for Ben after the season starts then be my guest to think that .

There's a difference between getting equal value for Simmons and trading him for the slop you are throwing around. Bagley is a negative contract. Hield is a negative contract. The first maybe overcomes their negative contracts if I'm being generous. None of that even starts to get into Simmons' value and I don't think these are really debatable positions.

There are very few teams that could use Ben Simmons . Clippers , blazers , Kings that’s it . The wolves aren’t willing let go dlo . The 76ers options limited . To think otherwise is naive

[BullyKing]

If you think your getting a value for value for Ben after the season starts then be my guest to think that .

There's a difference between getting equal value for Simmons and trading him for the slop you are throwing around. Bagley is a negative contract. Hield is a negative contract. The first maybe overcomes their negative contracts if I'm being generous. None of that even starts to get into Simmons' value and I don't think these are really debatable positions.

There are very few teams that could use Ben Simmons . Clippers , blazers , Kings that’s it . The wolves aren’t willing let go dlo . The 76ers options limited . To think otherwise is naive

Yep, ok, sure. I'm naive for thinking the Sixers won't trade Simmons for Bagley, Hield and some unarticulated "first". You've shown me the errors of my logic merely by repeating yourself a million times.

[GutUNC]

If you think your getting a value for value for Ben after the season starts then be my guest to think that .

There's a difference between getting equal value for Simmons and trading him for the slop you are throwing around. Bagley is a negative contract. Hield is a negative contract. The first maybe overcomes their negative contracts if I'm being generous. None of that even starts to get into Simmons' value and I don't think these are really debatable positions.

There are very few teams that could use Ben Simmons . Clippers , blazers , Kings that’s it . The wolves aren’t willing let go dlo . The 76ers options limited . To think otherwise is naive

You're offering negative value. They can get more then negative value.

STOP

[Ballerhogger]

There's a difference between getting equal value for Simmons and trading him for the slop you are throwing around. Bagley is a negative contract. Hield is a negative contract. The first maybe overcomes their negative contracts if I'm being generous. None of that even starts to get into Simmons' value and I don't think these are really debatable positions.

There are very few teams that could use Ben Simmons . Clippers , blazers , Kings that’s it . The wolves aren’t willing let go dlo . The 76ers options limited . To think otherwise is naive

Yep, ok, sure. I'm naive for thinking the Sixers won't trade Simmons for Bagley, Hield and some unarticulated "first". You've shown me the errors of my logic merely by repeating yourself a million times.

ok this getting old ill break it down one last time
The best offer the 76ers can get is from the Blazers ROC+CJ scoring and defense . Its quite obivous the 76ers need keep up with the hawks, Nets, Bucks .This is the best trade they can get.

Middle of the Road offer Morris and eric Bledose . The main reason would be the clippers have the best backourt defensively in the west. The 76ers add veteran depth and get out this situation.


What will probably end up happening just to get him out town around the deadline

Bagley + Buddy 2023 ,2025 first round draft picks

Buddy gives you another shooter. and you get 2 first rounders for Ben Simmons.. Buddy is easily flipped next off season.

No other team really wants or needs Ben Simmons. I think that's quite obvious by now.

[BullyKing]

Literally hundreds of pages of fans posting trades to get Simmons to their team but in reality "no other team really wants or needs Ben Simmons."

[bondom34]

And that's why I think extending the asset until that guys are available is the move. I think the more time Ben actually starts missing the more teams are going to hard ball/become disinterested.

Though I have a hard time seeing Ben see this through and actually sit games without pay

Wanted to come back to this, just read a local reporter from yesterday:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/ben-simmons-latest-rumors-trade-damian-lillard-daryl-morey-eastern-conference-doc-rivers-news-update/

Seems to indicate they don't want futures based assets in return.

[K_chile22]

And that's why I think extending the asset until that guys are available is the move. I think the more time Ben actually starts missing the more teams are going to hard ball/become disinterested.

Though I have a hard time seeing Ben see this through and actually sit games without pay

Wanted to come back to this, just read a local reporter from yesterday:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/ben-simmons-latest-rumors-trade-damian-lillard-daryl-morey-eastern-conference-doc-rivers-news-update/

Seems to indicate they don't want futures based assets in return.

I mean, yeah, it's not ideal, you'd prefer to be able to just get the good player right away... But I just don't think that's out there from anyone

[bondom34]

And that's why I think extending the asset until that guys are available is the move. I think the more time Ben actually starts missing the more teams are going to hard ball/become disinterested.

Though I have a hard time seeing Ben see this through and actually sit games without pay

Wanted to come back to this, just read a local reporter from yesterday:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/ben-simmons-latest-rumors-trade-damian-lillard-daryl-morey-eastern-conference-doc-rivers-news-update/

Seems to indicate they don't want futures based assets in return.

I mean, yeah, it's not ideal, you'd prefer to be able to just get the good player right away... But I just don't think that's out there from anyone

Seems that way right now. Think that's a bit of what was mentioned wrt preseason optimism around the league too. Right now everyone thinks they're a contender.

Still don't see this getting done before the season, we're just going to get the same repeated "news" about them meeting in August one or two more times and going to do this song and dance again for a day or two. Seems like if they've pushed those offers back so far, and known this since August, they're willing to wait.

[OGSactownballer]

There's a difference between getting equal value for Simmons and trading him for the slop you are throwing around. Bagley is a negative contract. Hield is a negative contract. The first maybe overcomes their negative contracts if I'm being generous. None of that even starts to get into Simmons' value and I don't think these are really debatable positions.

There are very few teams that could use Ben Simmons . Clippers , blazers , Kings that’s it . The wolves aren’t willing let go dlo . The 76ers options limited . To think otherwise is naive

Yep, ok, sure. I'm naive for thinking the Sixers won't trade Simmons for Bagley, Hield and some unarticulated "first". You've shown me the errors of my logic merely by repeating yourself a million times.

And you continue to rudely downgrade other teams players also so where are we? Two people who disagree and have ridiculous positions that don’t make any sense.

Sound familiar? It should. This is the kind of nonsense that Darryl Morey is slipping out through his media mouthpieces asking fir a ransom for a player with some very serious issues in his game and a now huge question about both his work ethic and his attitude.

At the same time, that offer is a joke - and I’m a Kings fan.

That being said, we have some reality check items to list off here.

First, Simmons has put Philly over a barrel and on the clock. And like everything else in this situation, this is not a simple single issue. There is the half the years salary factor on the first - which a trading team will NOT be reimbursing. There is the factor of in a few days when he makes good and no shows to camp his return value immediately plummets like a rock. Right now Morey can still get some good value. After camp starts? Forget it. Other GM’s aren’t dumb and are likely circling like sharks.

Second, the alleged interest in Beal and Lilliard.
Let’s all be adults here and be realistic. This isn’t going to happen in the short available time frame. Philly fans can talk big about “let him sit and rot” and all that nonsense. How about a reality check? You want to find the single fastest way back into ten years if “the Process” and NBA hell? Try doing that to a Klutch client at this particular juncture. You will not see a free agent for at least that long. Add to that that this is a complete pipe dream. Washington has literally cleared every other guy who could remotely be their number one guy off the roster and built around Beal. He’s not going anywhere. And Lilliard IS Portland for the foreseeable future. Ok et will cintinue to shovel pieces around him until they either make a Finals run or he is in his final year and then he will rebuild on the fly. That’s how they do business. They don’t give up their key star. So those hopes are fools gold.

Third, the League.

Do not think fir one second that the League - ie Adam Silver - is not watching this with a microscope. The NBA is allergic to negative press. And there will come a pint where quiet pressure happens to make this quiet down and go away. And that pressure will be on Philly and Morey, not Ben and Klutch - guaranteed. They will only allow this to go so far and I am positive that their perception is that PHILLY allowed this to blow up by not muzzling their star and coach and letting the media rage out of control and roast Ben and they will want it fixed and gone before the season.

So with all that my sense of what it will take is a similar player package - maybe a bit more - but not stars because you just don’t ever get that in a star trade. Period. When you trade stars in the NBA it is never a dollar for a dollar. It just doesn’t happen. Nobody looking to pick up that dollar is giving up their dollars to get it because that is a lateral move. And I mean REAL stars not borderline or role guys who have one career year. You hope to get a fifty cent piece and some quarters but usually you’re going to get a mush mash of change and you try to make it pieces that fit needs. I think that SAC will need to include at least two unprotected firsts - the 2025 to replace the one Philly has lost and hopefully a 2023. Then likely a pick swap which could be either next year or ‘24.

There is no world where I see any of our young three guys going out because there is no pint to trading that way. And it doesn’t actually make sense. Philly wants to win now. You need vets for that not young guys. And they have to do that because Embiid is not getting a union get and DOES have an injury history to be concerned about.

Anyway, that’s what I see happening and I don’t see anyone else I. The possibles that can afford to pony up two or three picks and be considered still competitive and trending upward.

[Ballerhogger]

Wanted to come back to this, just read a local reporter from yesterday:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/ben-simmons-latest-rumors-trade-damian-lillard-daryl-morey-eastern-conference-doc-rivers-news-update/

Seems to indicate they don't want futures based assets in return.

I mean, yeah, it's not ideal, you'd prefer to be able to just get the good player right away... But I just don't think that's out there from anyone

Seems that way right now. Think that's a bit of what was mentioned wrt preseason optimism around the league too. Right now everyone thinks they're a contender.

Still don't see this getting done before the season, we're just going to get the same repeated "news" about them meeting in August one or two more times and going to do this song and dance again for a day or two. Seems like if they've pushed those offers back so far, and known this since August, they're willing to wait.

if that's what they are willing to do , I don't see any teams changing their minds by the deadline.

[BullyKing]

There are very few teams that could use Ben Simmons . Clippers , blazers , Kings that’s it . The wolves aren’t willing let go dlo . The 76ers options limited . To think otherwise is naive

Yep, ok, sure. I'm naive for thinking the Sixers won't trade Simmons for Bagley, Hield and some unarticulated "first". You've shown me the errors of my logic merely by repeating yourself a million times.

And you continue to rudely downgrade other teams players also so where are we? Two people who disagree and have ridiculous positions that don’t make any sense.


At the same time, that offer is a joke - and I’m a Kings fan.

So I have a ridiculous position .... that you agree with?

[Ballerhogger]

Wanted to come back to this, just read a local reporter from yesterday:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/ben-simmons-latest-rumors-trade-damian-lillard-daryl-morey-eastern-conference-doc-rivers-news-update/

Seems to indicate they don't want futures based assets in return.

I mean, yeah, it's not ideal, you'd prefer to be able to just get the good player right away... But I just don't think that's out there from anyone

Seems that way right now. Think that's a bit of what was mentioned wrt preseason optimism around the league too. Right now everyone thinks they're a contender.

Still don't see this getting done before the season, we're just going to get the same repeated "news" about them meeting in August one or two more times and going to do this song and dance again for a day or two. Seems like if they've pushed those offers back so far, and known this since August, they're willing to wait.

if that's what they are willing to do , I don't see any teams changing their minds by the deadline.

[Tomjas]

I mean, yeah, it's not ideal, you'd prefer to be able to just get the good player right away... But I just don't think that's out there from anyone

Seems that way right now. Think that's a bit of what was mentioned wrt preseason optimism around the league too. Right now everyone thinks they're a contender.

Still don't see this getting done before the season, we're just going to get the same repeated "news" about them meeting in August one or two more times and going to do this song and dance again for a day or two. Seems like if they've pushed those offers back so far, and known this since August, they're willing to wait.

if that's what they are willing to do , I don't see any teams changing their minds by the deadline.

Teams performing below expectations typically look to change

[OGSactownballer]

Yep, ok, sure. I'm naive for thinking the Sixers won't trade Simmons for Bagley, Hield and some unarticulated "first". You've shown me the errors of my logic merely by repeating yourself a million times.

And you continue to rudely downgrade other teams players also so where are we? Two people who disagree and have ridiculous positions that don’t make any sense.


At the same time, that offer is a joke - and I’m a Kings fan.

So I have a ridiculous position .... that you agree with?

Way to quote a selected piece of a multi paragraph post.

And you wonder why he keeps throwing an undervalued trade at your team.

The complete statement was essentially that you are BOTH stuck on foolish positions. You are hearing the homer music (which btw the article is pretty much just that and more feed from Morey to try to stoke value that is tanking by the minute) and he is searching for too much bargain basement. Both positions are ridiculous. That was the point.

Then I went on to explain in detail why.

Take your insulting belittlement somewhere where the dumb people hang out it won’t work with me.