Team vaccination status

[Norm2953]

With what is going elsewhere in California and New York and apparently what is going on with Kyrie Irving, it'd be interesting to know the teams vaccination status if the state decides to follow other states in mandating home players be vaccinated in order to play. Presumably the team is not 100% vaccinated which means guys will be sitting

[DusterBuster]

Kyrie and his family are full on nut jobs. Beyond the vaccine, they believe in secret societies and flat earth crap. Why anyone would be a fan of Kyrie or want him on their team is beyond me.

I would assume the team isn’t 100%, but I bet it’s pretty close. I know Nurk is, I believe Dame said he was, I would assume CJ as well. Obviously not as clear with the rest of the team, but my guess is it’s pretty close to 100%.

What a dumb hill to die (and lose money) on… a GD vaccine that’s been administered to billions of people by now.

[PDXKnight]

I personally got the vaccine but i think it should be a personal choice whether or not one wishes to receive it. Indeed some of this conspiracy about the vaccine has gone off the deep end but i also think to mandate it on someone who doesn’t want it really doesn’t do much in the end as the vaccinated are protected and the unvaccinated remain vulnerable. If they choose not to vaccinate it is a life risking/ questionable decision but that decision is theirs and shouldn’t lie in the hands of the govt.

Firing people for not vaccinating isn’t doing much to mitigate the spread, the population who will not vaccinate are not gonna vaccinate one way or another and the disease will spread sporadically (or has already shall we say?) because viruses are good at doing just that - whether or not people are removed from the work force. Indeed many have ideas one may not agree with but if i’m protected from covid i don’t see a threat from someone i work with not receiving said vaccine over xyz objection

[RTG HD]

Not only did Kyrie believe the earth is flat, he has been on an airplane to China before and still believed the earth to be flat. He now blames YouTube for the flat earth thing.

[Matt800]

I personally got the vaccine but i think it should be a personal choice whether or not one wishes to receive it. Indeed some of this conspiracy about the vaccine has gone off the deep end but i also think to mandate it on someone who doesn’t want it really doesn’t do much in the end as the vaccinated are protected and the unvaccinated remain vulnerable. If they choose not to vaccinate it is a life risking/ questionable decision but that decision is theirs and shouldn’t lie in the hands of the govt.

Firing people for not vaccinating isn’t doing much to mitigate the spread, the population who will not vaccinate are not gonna vaccinate one way or another and the disease will spread sporadically (or has already shall we say?) because viruses are good at doing just that - whether or not people are removed from the work force. Indeed many have ideas one may not agree with but if i’m protected from covid i don’t see a threat from someone i work with not receiving said vaccine over xyz objection

From what I've read mandates have gotten people to get vaccinated. And data suggests vaccination vastly lowers chance of infection. Data in my area shows something like vaccinated are 7x less likely to get infected. So I can see an argument for why a mandate may be a good idea. Its a tough call though because obviously people need their freedoms.

I don't know who on the team wouldn't be vaccinated. I'm pretty sure CJ would be though, he has been outspoken about being anti-germs and taking the pandemic seriously.

[The Sebastian Express]

I personally got the vaccine but i think it should be a personal choice whether or not one wishes to receive it. Indeed some of this conspiracy about the vaccine has gone off the deep end but i also think to mandate it on someone who doesn’t want it really doesn’t do much in the end as the vaccinated are protected and the unvaccinated remain vulnerable. If they choose not to vaccinate it is a life risking/ questionable decision but that decision is theirs and shouldn’t lie in the hands of the govt.

Firing people for not vaccinating isn’t doing much to mitigate the spread, the population who will not vaccinate are not gonna vaccinate one way or another and the disease will spread sporadically (or has already shall we say?) because viruses are good at doing just that - whether or not people are removed from the work force. Indeed many have ideas one may not agree with but if i’m protected from covid i don’t see a threat from someone i work with not receiving said vaccine over xyz objection

This isn't true. Corporate policies mandating vaccines or be fired/fined have shown a credible uptick in vaccinations by those previously unvaccinated.

Also this isn't only about spread of the disease. It's about overwhelming services and hospitals. You might not see a threat from someone you work with not receiving vaccination because you're vaccinated, but what happens when there's not enough beds in hospitals/ICU beds (been happening the last two months) and people with other sicknesses are turned away? Surgeries have to be rescheduled? Choices have to be made about who gets treated or not?

We have run our health care workers ragged for almost two years to the point where we are losing hospital staff because they cannot handle it anymore. We have traumatized multiple generation of healthcare workers. We have pushed and surpassed the limits of our healthcare network and foundation in many states. We have made these workers have to choose between who gets care and who doesn't.

Which was all avoidable after the vaccines were created. For those who are physically capable of getting the vaccination (excluding those who have health reasons they cannot) to not get it at this point is one of the most selfish and cruel decisions a person can make. It shows a person does not care about literally anyone else but themselves.

[The Sebastian Express]

Kyrie and his family are full on nut jobs. Beyond the vaccine, they believe in secret societies and flat earth crap. Why anyone would be a fan of Kyrie or want him on their team is beyond me.

I would assume the team isn’t 100%, but I bet it’s pretty close. I know Nurk is, I believe Dame said he was, I would assume CJ as well. Obviously not as clear with the rest of the team, but my guess is it’s pretty close to 100%.

What a dumb hill to die (and lose money) on… a GD vaccine that’s been administered to billions of people by now.

IIRC last year during them getting their moderna shots, it was reported all but one player received the vaccination.

[Renegade]

I personally got the vaccine but i think it should be a personal choice whether or not one wishes to receive it.

It is a personal choice. No one is being forced to get vaccinated. However, choices can have consequences.

[PDXKnight]

I personally got the vaccine but i think it should be a personal choice whether or not one wishes to receive it. Indeed some of this conspiracy about the vaccine has gone off the deep end but i also think to mandate it on someone who doesn’t want it really doesn’t do much in the end as the vaccinated are protected and the unvaccinated remain vulnerable. If they choose not to vaccinate it is a life risking/ questionable decision but that decision is theirs and shouldn’t lie in the hands of the govt.

Firing people for not vaccinating isn’t doing much to mitigate the spread, the population who will not vaccinate are not gonna vaccinate one way or another and the disease will spread sporadically (or has already shall we say?) because viruses are good at doing just that - whether or not people are removed from the work force. Indeed many have ideas one may not agree with but if i’m protected from covid i don’t see a threat from someone i work with not receiving said vaccine over xyz objection

This isn't true. Corporate policies mandating vaccines or be fired/fined have shown a credible uptick in vaccinations by those previously unvaccinated.

Also this isn't only about spread of the disease. It's about overwhelming services and hospitals. You might not see a threat from someone you work with not receiving vaccination because you're vaccinated, but what happens when there's not enough beds in hospitals/ICU beds (been happening the last two months) and people with other sicknesses are turned away? Surgeries have to be rescheduled? Choices have to be made about who gets treated or not?

We have run our health care workers ragged for almost two years to the point where we are losing hospital staff because they cannot handle it anymore. We have traumatized multiple generation of healthcare workers. We have pushed and surpassed the limits of our healthcare network and foundation in many states. We have made these workers have to choose between who gets care and who doesn't.

Which was all avoidable after the vaccines were created. For those who are physically capable of getting the vaccination (excluding those who have health reasons they cannot) to not get it at this point is one of the most selfish and cruel decisions a person can make. It shows a person does not care about literally anyone else but themselves.

Well indeed holding peoples jobs with a gun to their head over the vaccine may increase vaccination rate, but shall we just fire 15 percent of the work force who refuses after being told repeatedly that herd immunity would be reached once we reach 70 percent vaccination? These are members of the community who, while maybe misinformed assuredly are in many cases valuable members of society as much as someone who was first in line for a vaccine. We are at 70 percent vaccination and even in nations like israel where vaccination is through the roof covid is running rampant. I would prefer people vaccinate but i think it should be a choice and not held over ones head if he or she refuses. Just feels like if you want to be protected you’ll have likely received the vaccine already so primarily those hurt from not vaccination are those who elect not to vaccinate. I’m Not sure who denying the vaccine is selfish to other than oneself?

Hospitalizations yes i get that argument but i’m not sure i can judge ones character (selfish/unselfish etc) here. Who knows what the rationale is behind denying, maybe there’s medical conditions or religious objections at play as well? I do think the denier camp goes off the deep end but i also think there’s an irreparable amount of damage to the us economy supposing we wipe out 15 percent of the work force on the dime

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I have a couple vaccinated family members who got sick, and one who has died, from their unvaccinated grandchildren/nephews/nieces.

Breakthrough cases, while more rare and usually less virulent, still do happen. Your choice not to vaccinate can still hurt those vulnerable people who did get vaccinated.


Again, I personally have a (distant) family member who basically killed their grandfather by thinking the vaccine made grandad safe and thus they didn't have to vax themselves.


Plus, the more people that are unvaccinated and continuing to get sick create more opportunities for mutations and new strains to arise, strains that could be more effective against the vaccinated population.


In short, your decision to to vaccinate is not actually a personal decision and can directly lead to the death of others. I don't think it's unfair at all to mandate vaccines if people want to join crowded events. If you don't want to vaccinate then go live in an isolated cabin and stay away from the rest of us. Otherwise if you want to be a social human being then act in pro-social ways. Antisocial and selfish behavior is fine to criticize and punish IMHO.

[PDXKnight]

I personally got the vaccine but i think it should be a personal choice whether or not one wishes to receive it.

It is a personal choice. No one is being forced to get vaccinated. However, choices can have consequences.

indeed choices have consequences, i wish everyone got the vaccine but i’m of the camp that if one is willing to risk said consequences let him or her suffer those consequences if they arise. Treat them but yes if they want to play russian roulette with their lives knowing the risk then i guess that’s their call. It’s sad of course but at some point a govt can’t control every last person

[PDXKnight]

I have a couple vaccinated family members who got sick, and one who has died, from their unvaccinated grandchildren/nephews/nieces.

Breakthrough cases, while more rare and usually less virulent, still do happen. Your choice not to vaccinate can still hurt those vulnerable people who did get vaccinated.


Again, I personally have a (distant) family member who basically killed their grandfather by thinking the vaccine made grandad safe and thus they didn't have to vax themselves.


Plus, the more people that are unvaccinated and continuing to get sick create more opportunities for mutations and new strains to arise, strains that could be more effective against the vaccinated population.


In short, your decision to to vaccinate is not actually a personal decision and can directly lead to the death of others. I don't think it's unfair at all to mandate vaccines if people want to join crowded events. If you don't want to vaccinate then go live in an isolated cabin and stay away from the rest of us. Otherwise if you want to be a social human being then act in pro-social ways. Antisocial and selfish behavior is fine to criticize and punish IMHO.

I mean as a socially awkward individual i try to avoid crowds as much as possible even being vaccinated

I think controlling large crowds is difficult. I don’t know how we stop a significant percentage of large crowds from using fraudulent cards.

[DusterBuster]

I have a couple vaccinated family members who got sick, and one who has died, from their unvaccinated grandchildren/nephews/nieces.

Breakthrough cases, while more rare and usually less virulent, still do happen. Your choice not to vaccinate can still hurt those vulnerable people who did get vaccinated.

I’ve been vaxxed since last April and had a breakthrough case myself back in August. Honestly felt like I just was having bad allergies and never really got worse than that. I had been around family during my infectious period because I didn’t even realize I had it and only tested for it because of an unvaxxed 2nd hand contact that said her friend tested positive. In the end, none of my family got it, that includes all vaxxed family members and unvaxxed kids who aren’t eligible for the vaccine.

Long story short, vaccines are awesome.

[Matt800]

I personally got the vaccine but i think it should be a personal choice whether or not one wishes to receive it.

It is a personal choice. No one is being forced to get vaccinated. However, choices can have consequences.

It’s sad of course but at some point a govt can’t control every last person

It is definitely complicated. When there is danger to a community that requires everyone to do something for safety, then mandates make sense. But also forcing people to do anything can/will cause problems as well. So there has to be some sort of appropriate ratio of how bad the situation is compared to how much people are forced to respond in a certain way.

Too much of forcing people to do things could lead to more societal harm than the original problem. Like say if we get worker strikes in critical fields or rioting... that would be bad. But on the other side if we let people disregard the pandemic and it gets crazy, workers would be quitting due to that. There were concerns about that early in the pandemic with truckers and supply line people being upset at the risk they were taking, and if they quit that's not good. And obviously health care workers.

So long story short it's a tough line to walk. In order to keep things decently smooth we need to exercise communication and cooperation as much as possible over mandates. But people do seem to tolerate some mandating, where they will grumble but comply. Its not ideal but if nothing else is working it can be the best known option.

[Renegade]

I personally got the vaccine but i think it should be a personal choice whether or not one wishes to receive it.

It is a personal choice. No one is being forced to get vaccinated. However, choices can have consequences.

indeed choices have consequences, i wish everyone got the vaccine but i’m of the camp that if one is willing to risk said consequences let him or her suffer those consequences if they arise. Treat them but yes if they want to play russian roulette with their lives knowing the risk then i guess that’s their call. It’s sad of course but at some point a govt can’t control every last person

When I said consequences I wasn’t thinking of a person contracting an illness. I was thinking that businesses have a responsibility to their employees and stockholders. Covid is a transmittable disease and one that has proven to be deadly. There are liability and ethical concerns to be considered from the business perspective. I see no problem with an organization requiring workers to be vaccinated. If the employee refuses the vaccination, then I think the business has the right to terminate their employment.

[Pattycakes]

The only safe place has finally been infiltrated, back to the cave.

[BlazersBroncos]

Driving drunk is a personal choice until you hit someone.

The same can be said about the vaccine.

[shunt]

I'm old and had to get vaccinated when I went to school. Mandates for that were far (and still are) stricter and had more life impacts than being able to attend games. I remember just 2-3 years ago those against vaccines were either the deeply troubled weird church folks from that Oregon City cult that refused all medical care (and made the news for essentially killing a baby due to neglect), or weird rich middle aged women who drank too much wine and thought eating Acai berries would grant them immortality.

That a vaccine to a deadly virus became politicized is everything wrong with this country. Folks would rather trend towards the absurd and dive into conspiracies than be seen working together.

[DusterBuster]

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[The Sebastian Express]

I personally got the vaccine but i think it should be a personal choice whether or not one wishes to receive it. Indeed some of this conspiracy about the vaccine has gone off the deep end but i also think to mandate it on someone who doesn’t want it really doesn’t do much in the end as the vaccinated are protected and the unvaccinated remain vulnerable. If they choose not to vaccinate it is a life risking/ questionable decision but that decision is theirs and shouldn’t lie in the hands of the govt.

Firing people for not vaccinating isn’t doing much to mitigate the spread, the population who will not vaccinate are not gonna vaccinate one way or another and the disease will spread sporadically (or has already shall we say?) because viruses are good at doing just that - whether or not people are removed from the work force. Indeed many have ideas one may not agree with but if i’m protected from covid i don’t see a threat from someone i work with not receiving said vaccine over xyz objection

This isn't true. Corporate policies mandating vaccines or be fired/fined have shown a credible uptick in vaccinations by those previously unvaccinated.

Also this isn't only about spread of the disease. It's about overwhelming services and hospitals. You might not see a threat from someone you work with not receiving vaccination because you're vaccinated, but what happens when there's not enough beds in hospitals/ICU beds (been happening the last two months) and people with other sicknesses are turned away? Surgeries have to be rescheduled? Choices have to be made about who gets treated or not?

We have run our health care workers ragged for almost two years to the point where we are losing hospital staff because they cannot handle it anymore. We have traumatized multiple generation of healthcare workers. We have pushed and surpassed the limits of our healthcare network and foundation in many states. We have made these workers have to choose between who gets care and who doesn't.

Which was all avoidable after the vaccines were created. For those who are physically capable of getting the vaccination (excluding those who have health reasons they cannot) to not get it at this point is one of the most selfish and cruel decisions a person can make. It shows a person does not care about literally anyone else but themselves.

Well indeed holding peoples jobs with a gun to their head over the vaccine may increase vaccination rate, but shall we just fire 15 percent of the work force who refuses after being told repeatedly that herd immunity would be reached once we reach 70 percent vaccination? These are members of the community who, while maybe misinformed assuredly are in many cases valuable members of society as much as someone who was first in line for a vaccine. We are at 70 percent vaccination and even in nations like israel where vaccination is through the roof covid is running rampant. I would prefer people vaccinate but i think it should be a choice and not held over ones head if he or she refuses. Just feels like if you want to be protected you’ll have likely received the vaccine already so primarily those hurt from not vaccination are those who elect not to vaccinate. I’m Not sure who denying the vaccine is selfish to other than oneself?

Hospitalizations yes i get that argument but i’m not sure i can judge ones character (selfish/unselfish etc) here. Who knows what the rationale is behind denying, maybe there’s medical conditions or religious objections at play as well? I do think the denier camp goes off the deep end but i also think there’s an irreparable amount of damage to the us economy supposing we wipe out 15 percent of the work force on the dime

And what do you think the damage to the US economy, since you think that's an issue, when hundreds of thousands people die from a disease?

You don't understand that rejecting getting the vaccine is selfish to others when people who are unvaccinated clog up the health care system? You don't think it's selfish to be part of a group of people who are running health services to the brink and preventing others from getting care is selfish? If you are ill with a serious disease, but one that's treatable should you reach it in time, and I stand in the hospital doorway and block you from entering because I've broken my leg by taking a hammer to my leg, am I not selfish?

Not taking the vaccine when you've no physical health complications preventing you from doing so is willfully hitting yourself in the leg with a hammer in this scenario. This is a transmissible disease spread through close proximity air exchange. Stop letting people off the hook. Vaccines have wiped out major disease and prevent unneeded suffering, mandated in the past. This isn't new. We are responsible to each other, that's part of being a society.