Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Kobblehead]

I doubt the Bulls would do Pat Williams for Ben straight up

I don't know how high they are on Williams. Personally, I'm not really impressed with him. I'd probably look to eventually re-route him. Probably have a long Marvin William-ish career, but I think he was grossly overdrafted.

[Jailblazers7]

What is a third team going to give Minnesota and for what assets they have? This whole third team to give something for nothing is ridiculous.

3 way deal with the Blazers works very well imo for all parties, we all get what we want.

... Trouble is Ben’s group can’t think properly and have tanked their own perceived value instead of actually going about it the right way.

Nah, the trouble is that Dame isn’t pushing his way out of Portland just yet and Minny won’t trade Edwards (for now). If those two things change, then nothing Ben has done will matter. It’ll be tough for Portland to beat a deal where both Philly and Minny are willing to unload a bunch of assets to get Ben to Minny and Dame to Philly.

[spikeslovechild]

What is a third team going to give Minnesota and for what assets they have? This whole third team to give something for nothing is ridiculous.

Agree Minnesota has nothing to offer anyone if they think Kat and Ant are untouchable. Has Kat ever won over 35 games without Jimmy Butler??

Pretty much this.

What other assets does Minnesota have? The whole idea that Morey should just give Ben away because he is unhappy is strange to me. He has four years left. There should be no rush on our end.

[spikeslovechild]

What is a third team going to give Minnesota and for what assets they have? This whole third team to give something for nothing is ridiculous.

3 way deal with the Blazers works very well imo for all parties, we all get what we want.

... Trouble is Ben’s group can’t think properly and have tanked their own perceived value instead of actually going about it the right way.

Nah, the trouble is that Dame isn’t pushing his way out of Portland just yet and Minny won’t trade Edwards (for now). If those two things change, then nothing Ben has done will matter. It’ll be tough for Portland to beat a deal where both Philly and Minny are willing to unload a bunch of assets to get Ben to Minny and Dame to Philly.

The rest of the league is playing a game of chicken with Morey seeing if he will blink. People think the longer this drags out the less value Simmons has while the opposite may be true if i wasn't a Sixer fan I'd find this more fascinating then aggravating.

[RedSalsa]

What is a third team going to give Minnesota and for what assets they have? This whole third team to give something for nothing is ridiculous.

Agree Minnesota has nothing to offer anyone if they think Kat and Ant are untouchable. Has Kat ever won over 35 games without Jimmy Butler??

Pretty much this.

What other assets does Minnesota have? The whole idea that Morey should just give Ben away because he is unhappy is strange to me. He has four years left. There should be no rush on our end.

Spot on. I’d let him sit all year if we Do not get a trade that helps us.

[the_process]

I wonder how many unprotected firsts we can squeeze from Minnasota. If Edwards is truly not available in a Ben trade, they are a team that we could roll the dice on firsts. D-Lo is what he is, but we could use him short term I guess.

Reality

Read on Twitter

Wolfson is talking about how he spoke to Gersson Rosas, unless I’m reading that tweet wrong. We already knew Rosas wouldn’t trade Edwards. Sachin Gupta, on the other hand, is supposedly “going to work his ass off” to get Ben.

The only teams that I think are not trying to win this year: Orlando, Houston, Oklahoma City, Toronto, and Detroit.

Does one of them have players good enough to trade Ben for? Would one of them also be willing to take Minnesota’s pick package for their players?

[mjkvol]

The rest of the league is playing a game of chicken with Morey seeing if he will blink. People think the longer this drags out the less value Simmons has while the opposite may be true if i wasn't a Sixer fan I'd find this more fascinating then aggravating.

This x 1000. There is no reason whatsoever that Morey should do anything but sit and wait for the right deal. There is no way Sixer fans will put this on anyone but the guy who has gone completely out of his way to be the villain here. If Simmons was an expiring contract it might be different, but he is tied up for four years and has squandered any possible 'victim' PR play.

It's laughable to read national media accounts that portray the Sixers as "up against the wall" and having no leverage - it's really the opposite. If the right deal can be made before the deadline, we will have had half a season to see Maxey and Thybulle grow into prominent roles, and the Sixers might just be the team that no one wants to face come playoff time.

Wishful thinking, perhaps, but I'm actually excited about the possibilities of this season and beyond.

[Tomjas]

I wonder how many unprotected firsts we can squeeze from Minnasota. If Edwards is truly not available in a Ben trade, they are a team that we could roll the dice on firsts. D-Lo is what he is, but we could use him short term I guess.

Reality

Read on Twitter

Wolfson is talking about how he spoke to Gersson Rosas, unless I’m reading that tweet wrong. We already knew Rosas wouldn’t trade Edwards. Sachin Gupta, on the other hand, is supposedly “going to work his ass off” to get Ben.

The only teams that I think are not trying to win this year: Orlando, Houston, Oklahoma City, Toronto, and Detroit.

Does one of them have players good enough to trade Ben for? Would one of them also be willing to take Minnesota’s pick package for their players?

Very few will take that Minny package but there’s others that aren’t trying to lose but not good enough either

Unless it’s outright for a “star”, more likely to be a multi team deal in order for us to get a big return that potentially can be moved for one

[WindyCityBorn]

I doubt the Bulls would do Pat Williams for Ben straight up

I don't know how high they are on Williams. Personally, I'm not really impressed with him. I'd probably look to eventually re-route him. Probably have a long Marvin William-ish career, but I think he was grossly overdrafted.

EXTREMELY high on him. I also think they are very happy with Ball as our PG. Simmons is bad fit in Chicago with current roster. Maybe if Derozan was part of trade and he would need to be for salary and fit purposes, but that would be a bad look to move him right after he signed with us for a guy that isn’t even a real star acting like complete diva.

[Stanford]

Oh good, Bulls fans are here now too

[SixthStreet]

They'll all come eventually. I'm sure in a week or two a Rockets fan will chime in with a Ben for Sengun + the mummified body/contract of Eric Gordon offer.

[the_process]

I doubt the Bulls would do Pat Williams for Ben straight up

I don't know how high they are on Williams. Personally, I'm not really impressed with him. I'd probably look to eventually re-route him. Probably have a long Marvin William-ish career, but I think he was grossly overdrafted.

EXTREMELY high on him. I also think they are very happy with Ball as our PG. Simmons is bad fit in Chicago with current roster. Maybe if Derozan was part of trade and he would need to be for salary and fit purposes, but that would be a bad look to move him right after he signed with us for a guy that isn’t even a real star acting like complete diva.

DeRozan would definitely not be a part of the trade.

Vuc, Simmons, Williams, DeRozan, Ball looks like a hell of a lineup to me.

[WindyCityBorn]

They'll all come eventually. I'm sure in a week or two a Rockets fan will chime in with a Ben for Sengun + the mummified body/contract of Eric Gordon offer.

I don’t want Simmons at all. A guy on max contract that can’t score is a terrible deal.

[WindyCityBorn]

I don't know how high they are on Williams. Personally, I'm not really impressed with him. I'd probably look to eventually re-route him. Probably have a long Marvin William-ish career, but I think he was grossly overdrafted.

EXTREMELY high on him. I also think they are very happy with Ball as our PG. Simmons is bad fit in Chicago with current roster. Maybe if Derozan was part of trade and he would need to be for salary and fit purposes, but that would be a bad look to move him right after he signed with us for a guy that isn’t even a real star acting like complete diva.

DeRozan would definitely not be a part of the trade.

Vuc, Simmons, Williams, DeRozan, Ball looks like a hell of a lineup to me.

Yeah you can forget about Zach being part of any deal for Simmons. We’ve already been over that.

Also Derozan/Simmons would be some of the worst spacing in the NBA. Two guys that don’t even think about shooting 3s. Awful fit together.

[76ersfan96]

Hoping for a trade like

76ers
Jaden McDaniel’s
2 Timberwolves unprotected firsts
Pat bev
Malik Beasley
Collin Sexton

Cavs
Timberwolves top 7 protected pick
76ers first

Timberwolves
Simmons

[Skates]

Other teams visiting here is fun, we get to see how badly they all overrate every prospect they have on the roster too and act like they control what their front office does. Makes us seem almost normal.

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Ben can be the no1.

[erving4ever]

If the 76ers start off reasonably well in the reg season, Ben Simmons news will be increasingly in the rear view mirror. Now, Doc and Joel will have to deliver. This is key. This will give the 76ers more leverage and Ben Simmons even more desperate.

That is the plan. It will make Morey regain control as he is able to better spot out weaker negotiating points from the other teams. So I dont see a trade anytime soon. Lets get used to this. Focus on the team we have.

[the_process]

If the 76ers start off reasonably well in the reg season, Ben Simmons news will be increasingly in the rear view mirror. Now, Doc and Joel will have to deliver. This is key. This will give the 76ers more leverage and Ben Simmons even more desperate.

That is the plan. It will make Morey regain control as he is able to better spot out weaker negotiating points from the other teams. So I dont see a trade anytime soon. Lets get used to this. Focus on the team we have.

Then I would propose:

Tobias to SAC
Bagley and Milton to TOR
Barnes and Dragic to PHI

Maxey/Dragic/(Simmons)
Green/Curry/Springer
Korkmaz/Thybulle/Joe
Barnes/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

[syntax]

If the 76ers start off reasonably well in the reg season, Ben Simmons news will be increasingly in the rear view mirror. Now, Doc and Joel will have to deliver. This is key. This will give the 76ers more leverage and Ben Simmons even more desperate.

That is the plan. It will make Morey regain control as he is able to better spot out weaker negotiating points from the other teams. So I dont see a trade anytime soon. Lets get used to this. Focus on the team we have.

31,63,64,51,51

These are the number of games Joel has played in the last 5 seasons. When Joel misses another 20+ games, what do you expect the Sixers record to be? 5-8th seed at best.