Ben Simmons trades go here (and here only): Expect warnings if not following forum rules

[zimpy27]

Sixers get CJ+Siakam+Dragic for Simmons+Harris+Curry
Dragic, CJ, Green, Siakam, Embiid -- Maxey, THybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond

Blazers get Simmons+Boucher+Curry for CJ+Nurkic+Simons+POR22FRP
Lillard, Powell, Simmons, Covington, Boucher -- Curry, Snell, McLemore, Nance, Zeller

Raptors get Harris+Nurkic+Simons+POR22FRP for Siakam+Dragic+Boucher
FVV, Trent, OG, Harris, Nurkic -- Flynn, Simons, Barnes, Achiuwa, Birch

I have Siakam as a worse fit next to Embiid than Harris.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

That may be true if they had Ben, but with Ben gone I think a big defensive wing with Embiid is useful and Harris's shooting doesn't seem as essential to me.

[Godaddycurse]

Sixers get CJ+Siakam+Dragic for Simmons+Harris+Curry
Dragic, CJ, Green, Siakam, Embiid -- Maxey, THybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond

Blazers get Simmons+Boucher+Curry for CJ+Nurkic+Simons+POR22FRP
Lillard, Powell, Simmons, Covington, Boucher -- Curry, Snell, McLemore, Nance, Zeller

Raptors get Harris+Nurkic+Simons+POR22FRP for Siakam+Dragic+Boucher
FVV, Trent, OG, Harris, Nurkic -- Flynn, Simons, Barnes, Achiuwa, Birch

hells no from raptors. portland also dont have 22FRP to trade. Apparently we told Siakam he's "the man" now. I highly highly doubt masai will trade him, let alone for an overpaid non allstar like harris. I dont see Harris/Nurkic as an upgrade at all to siakam/boucher. easy easy no for raptors.

Good catch on the pick, would need to be POR24FRP.
That aside, I'm surprised you see it that way. I think Harris is a more reliable scoring threat than Siakam and better all around shooter. Harris is not as good defensively as Siakam but Raptors are loaded with defensive wings and Nurkic is a great defensive C. I saw that combination of scoring and defense at PF and C being a definite upgrade for Raptors. Simons+FRP for Dragic is an overpay to motivate Raptors.

A) siakam have a much higher ceiling
B) we dont need a better shooter, we need a better creator, which harris is not
C) harris is paid more and i suspect will regress a bit away from embiid/simmons
D) i am skeptical of nurkic's health and contribution.

[Sportfan73]

Sixers get CJ+Siakam+Dragic for Simmons+Harris+Curry
Dragic, CJ, Green, Siakam, Embiid -- Maxey, THybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond

Blazers get Simmons+Boucher+Curry for CJ+Nurkic+Simons+POR22FRP
Lillard, Powell, Simmons, Covington, Boucher -- Curry, Snell, McLemore, Nance, Zeller

Raptors get Harris+Nurkic+Simons+POR22FRP for Siakam+Dragic+Boucher
FVV, Trent, OG, Harris, Nurkic -- Flynn, Simons, Barnes, Achiuwa, Birch

hells no from raptors. portland also dont have 22FRP to trade. Apparently we told Siakam he's "the man" now. I highly highly doubt masai will trade him, let alone for an overpaid non allstar like harris. I dont see Harris/Nurkic as an upgrade at all to siakam/boucher. easy easy no for raptors.

Terrible for TOR. Harris is one of most overpaid players in the league.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

And at this stage of the season he’s FAR more valuable to Philly than anyone else

[Sportfan73]

Sixers fan here. My view is that, regardless of whether Jimmy Butler in Philadelphia was ever a good idea or whether the Sixers could have kept him, Embiid basically told the truth. The Sixers have tried for years now to build a team that would work with Simmons' unusual mix of off-the-chart strengths and significant weaknesses. They didn't pull it off, and now it's somebody else's turn to do the same.

I agree with the posters who have said, basically, that nothing Embiid says can help or hurt Simmons' value much. There will be a deal whenever Morey gets something he thinks is worth taking. He seems to be prepared for the long game, even if that means Simmons sitting for months. And I think he will have enormous support here for taking that stance, both in the local press (predictably vicious towards Simmons) and among fans who do not want a bad deal and will, rightly or wrongly, derive some satisfaction from Simmons not getting paid.

Part of the reason the Sixers find themselves in the current situation is because they didn't game out a scenario where a hoped-for offer didn't come. I'd be interested in knowing what the plan is months from now if the hoped-for offer still hasn't come.

I think part of it is that they almost stopped taking offers. But at the same time I think all of this gets morey listening to offers again which gets enough of a bidding war to have him gone by opening night or sooner

[SNPA]

Baseline assumption…Pop really likes Davion Mitchell.

Spurs get - Mitchell/Bags
Kings get - Simmons
Philly get - Murray/Barnes/22 Kings 1st

I could see Sac throwing more at the Spurs if needed. A protected first or prospect like Ramsey.

[Sportfan73]

Baseline assumption…Pop really likes Davion Mitchell.

Spurs get - Mitchell/Bags
Kings get - Simmons
Philly get - Murray/Barnes/22 Kings 1st

I could see Sac throwing more at the Spuds if needed. A protected first or prospect like Ramsey.

I was actually thinking of a deal with the same type of structure but Cleveland as the third team swapping Mitchell for sexton. Obviously adding value wherever if needed but

Cavs get Mitchell/shake

Kings get Simmons

Sixers get sexton, Barnes, bags, kings 1st

Throw shake to Cleveland if they want a little immediate guard help as well

[LAL1947]

I'd much rather see Jonathan Isaac in Dallas... but Orlando might make a good trading partner, since they also have Gary Harris twiddling his thumbs over there.

Philly gets Isaac + Gary
Orlando get Simmons

Philly will need to get on the phones to find a PG using Thybulle, Korkmaz and/or picks. Cleveland might be open to trading Sexton for them.

PHI: Sexton/Maxey, Gary/Curry, Tobias/Green, Isaac/Reed, Embiid/Drummond
ORL: Fultz/Anthony, Suggs/Hampton, Franz/Chuma, Simmons/Moritz, Carter/Bamba
CLE: Garland/Rubio, Thybulle/Okoro, Korkmaz/Osman, Markannen/Love, Allen/Mobley

The Turks unite... and CLE also knows what they need to complete their roster from the draft or trades... a big-time SF.

[SNPA]

Baseline assumption…Pop really likes Davion Mitchell.

Spurs get - Mitchell/Bags
Kings get - Simmons
Philly get - Murray/Barnes/22 Kings 1st

I could see Sac throwing more at the Spuds if needed. A protected first or prospect like Ramsey.

I was actually thinking of a deal with the same type of structure but Cleveland as the third team swapping Mitchell for sexton. Obviously adding value wherever if needed but

Cavs get Mitchell/shake

Kings get Simmons

Sixers get sexton, Barnes, bags, kings 1st

Throw shake to Cleveland if they want a little immediate guard help as well

Sure, that works. Just depends on what type of guard they want back and the details.

[Godaddycurse]

Baseline assumption…Pop really likes Davion Mitchell.

Spurs get - Mitchell/Bags
Kings get - Simmons
Philly get - Murray/Barnes/22 Kings 1st

I could see Sac throwing more at the Spuds if needed. A protected first or prospect like Ramsey.

I was actually thinking of a deal with the same type of structure but Cleveland as the third team swapping Mitchell for sexton. Obviously adding value wherever if needed but

Cavs get Mitchell/shake

Kings get Simmons

Sixers get sexton, Barnes, bags, kings 1st

Throw shake to Cleveland if they want a little immediate guard help as well

why does cleveland want mitchell?

[Sportfan73]

Baseline assumption…Pop really likes Davion Mitchell.

Spurs get - Mitchell/Bags
Kings get - Simmons
Philly get - Murray/Barnes/22 Kings 1st

I could see Sac throwing more at the Spuds if needed. A protected first or prospect like Ramsey.

I was actually thinking of a deal with the same type of structure but Cleveland as the third team swapping Mitchell for sexton. Obviously adding value wherever if needed but

Cavs get Mitchell/shake

Kings get Simmons

Sixers get sexton, Barnes, bags, kings 1st

Throw shake to Cleveland if they want a little immediate guard help as well

why does cleveland want mitchell?

Off ball young guard to pair with garland along with not wanting to or not having to pay sexton and instead getting a guy who’s cheap for 4 years in Mitchell? Just an idea

[jbk1234]

Baseline assumption…Pop really likes Davion Mitchell.

Spurs get - Mitchell/Bags
Kings get - Simmons
Philly get - Murray/Barnes/22 Kings 1st

I could see Sac throwing more at the Spuds if needed. A protected first or prospect like Ramsey.

I was actually thinking of a deal with the same type of structure but Cleveland as the third team swapping Mitchell for sexton. Obviously adding value wherever if needed but

Cavs get Mitchell/shake

Kings get Simmons

Sixers get sexton, Barnes, bags, kings 1st

Throw shake to Cleveland if they want a little immediate guard help as well

I don't see the Cavs trading Sexton if Mitchell is the main piece coming back. He's clearly not who the Cavs need or who they would've picked at that spot. They have Okoro and 24 ppg would be walking out the door.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

[Darthlukey]

Part of the reason the Sixers find themselves in the current situation is because they didn't game out a scenario where a hoped-for offer didn't come. I'd be interested in knowing what the plan is months from now if the hoped-for offer still hasn't come.

Thats the age old question, mid season what do they do? If they are a safe top 6 seed, but with no takers but they arent paying Simmons do they ride it out and continue to hope for the best? Worst case scenario is Simmons reports and claims a fake injury, where the are paying him but he isnt playing. Then it comes to hard ball, do they challenge the fake diagnosis and attempt to cease payment again?

I can imagine a few scenarios that are worse than Ben reporting and claiming an injury.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

What do you have in mind? Im trying to conjure up worst case scenarios but cant think of much worse than a fake injury and full pay

[jbk1234]

Thats the age old question, mid season what do they do? If they are a safe top 6 seed, but with no takers but they arent paying Simmons do they ride it out and continue to hope for the best? Worst case scenario is Simmons reports and claims a fake injury, where the are paying him but he isnt playing. Then it comes to hard ball, do they challenge the fake diagnosis and attempt to cease payment again?

I can imagine a few scenarios that are worse than Ben reporting and claiming an injury.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

What do you have in mind? Im trying to conjure up worst case scenarios but cant think of much worse than a fake injury and full pay

The pay thing is just punitive. It doesn't actually help the Sixers. They can't spend the money now anyway.

The goal should be trying to get the best return as possible with as little disruption to the team as possible.

So Ben could not report all season and then the Sixers lose his services for the season while getting back nothing. This could have long-term consequences for the Sixers for free agents as well if they're viewed as being unwilling to trade guys who truly want out.

Ben could return, not fake an injury, and then the Sixers have to ask whether it's worth it to have him around given everything that would likely entail with the team and fanbase. The Lakers trying to force the issue with Kobe and Shaq didn't work out well once that bridge was burnt.

Ben could return, play, and get a real injury, or play poorly, which further reduces his trade value.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

[Darthlukey]

I can imagine a few scenarios that are worse than Ben reporting and claiming an injury.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

What do you have in mind? Im trying to conjure up worst case scenarios but cant think of much worse than a fake injury and full pay

The pay thing is just punitive. It doesn't actually help the Sixers. They can't spend the money now anyway.

The goal should be trying to get the best return as possible with as little disruption to the team as possible.

So Ben could not report all season and then the Sixers lose his services for the season while getting back nothing. This could have long-term consequences for the Sixers for free agents as well if they're viewed as being unwilling to trade guys who truly want out.

Ben could return, not fake an injury, and then the Sixers have to ask whether it's worth it to have him around given everything that would likely entail with the team and fanbase. The Lakers trying to force the issue with Kobe and Shaq didn't work out well once that bridge was burnt.

Ben could return, play, and get a real injury, or play poorly, which further reduces his trade value.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

Fair enough on all points. But letting home go for an appalling value is still the worst case scenario in my mind (once Simmons is moved, not in the meantime) and that the only outcome the 6ers can control. Everything else is still out of their control

[jbk1234]

What do you have in mind? Im trying to conjure up worst case scenarios but cant think of much worse than a fake injury and full pay

The pay thing is just punitive. It doesn't actually help the Sixers. They can't spend the money now anyway.

The goal should be trying to get the best return as possible with as little disruption to the team as possible.

So Ben could not report all season and then the Sixers lose his services for the season while getting back nothing. This could have long-term consequences for the Sixers for free agents as well if they're viewed as being unwilling to trade guys who truly want out.

Ben could return, not fake an injury, and then the Sixers have to ask whether it's worth it to have him around given everything that would likely entail with the team and fanbase. The Lakers trying to force the issue with Kobe and Shaq didn't work out well once that bridge was burnt.

Ben could return, play, and get a real injury, or play poorly, which further reduces his trade value.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

Fair enough on all points. But letting home go for an appalling value is still the worst case scenario in my mind (once Simmons is moved, not in the meantime) and that the only outcome the 6ers can control. Everything else is still out of their control

I don't know what you consider appalling value, but the Sixers can only control whether he's traded, or not. They can't control what other teams are willing to offer. There are reasons the Sixers were willing to put him on the block instead of Embiid. It's worth asking if some of those reasons might be why they're not getting the type of offers they want.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J327A using RealGM mobile app

[babyjax13]

Sacramento would have to take back some minimum contracts for roster purposes, but here's a big stupid idea:

Dallas trades: KP
Dallas receives: Harrison Barnes, Richaun Holmes
Dallas moves KP for cheaper players and I don't think they get any worse on the court. Barnes and Holmes are also more durable, which is a plus.

Philadelphia trades: Ben Simmons, 2022 PHI 1st (lottery protected, 2 2nds)
Philadelphia receives: Davion Mitchell, Collin Sexton
Philadelphia saves a ton of money and gets two nice young backcourt players. They may have to do some kind of follow-up, but this at least does not leave them accepting a bunch of stuff that doesn't have trade value for Simmons, and I'm sure one of Sexton/Mitchell will be a long-term fit.

Sacramento trades: Buddy Heild, Marvin Bagley, Tristan Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Richaun Holmes, Davion Mitchell, 2024 SAC 1st (lottery protected, 2 2nds) [out: $78.6 x 1.25 = ~$98 million]
Sacramento receives: Ben Simmons, Kristaps Porzingis, Kevin Love [in: ~$96 million]
If Sacramento wants to pair Fox and Simmons without trading Hali, the best way to make them effective is to find a stretch 5. KP takes (and makes) loads of threes, and can spread out the court for Fox drives and Simmons secondary creation + drives in the half-court.

Cleveland trades: Kevin Love, Collin Sexton
Cleveland receives: Buddy Heild, Marvin Bagley, Tristan Thompson, 2022 PHI 1st (lottery protected, 2 2nds), 2024 SAC 1st (lottery protected, 2 2nds)
Cleveland moves Love for a cheaper bad contract at the cost of turning Sexton into two picks in the teens to twenties.


Kings rotation:
Porzingis 30/Len 18
Simmons 10/Love 24/Harkless 14
Harkless 14/Simmons 24/Davis 10
Haliburton 30/Davis 18
Fox 34/Ramsey 14

[Dat2U]

I keep seeing Davion Mitchell in these trade proposals but zero indication the Kings would consider trading a guy they just drafted who also had a great summer league. Is just because they already have Fox & Haliburton?

[zimpy27]

DLo+McDaniels+MIN22FRP for Simmons+Milton


I think this is a nice and simple trade. After KATs comments I'm not sure he's happy to stay even with Russell there. Winning matters and this move gets him and Ben the best fit. Philly could use DLo and McDaniels offers the big wing defender that they lose in Simmons.

Maxey, DLo, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Curry, Thybulle, Korkmaz, McDaniels, Drummond -- Springer, Joe, Niang, Reed

Beverley, Beasley, Edwards, Simmons, KAT -- Milton, Balmaro, Prince, Vanderbilt, Reid -- JMac, Nowell, Okogie, Layman

[Ruzious]

I keep seeing Davion Mitchell in these trade proposals but zero indication the Kings would consider trading a guy they just drafted who also had a great summer league. Is just because they already have Fox & Haliburton?

And probably his age - 2 years older than Haliburton and the same age as Fox - who's more talented, imo.

[Godaddycurse]

I keep seeing Davion Mitchell in these trade proposals but zero indication the Kings would consider trading a guy they just drafted who also had a great summer league. Is just because they already have Fox & Haliburton?

And probably his age - 2 years older than Haliburton and the same age as Fox - who's more talented, imo.

Well they won't trade hali and fox.. gotta give something to get