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[Ball4life32]

heres the problem. nobody in the league thinks collins has this trade value very overrated here as he couldnt command a max yet has max trade value. a big who cant create nor elite shooter is useless. morey probably has same view. even worse than brogdon offer which should be the bar minimum.

Yeah somehow so overrated and useless as the 2nd leading scorer on a team that just made the ECF at 23 years old. Not calling him an elite shooter but 40% from 3 the last 2 years (even if not on huge volume) and was one of the better and improved mid range shooters last year. Hawks +8.2 with Collins on/off in the playoffs…he is absolutely not useless by anyone actually watching hawks games.

This board rarely speaks in terms of on court value. It is about discussing trade value. Collins’ trade value with his contract and skill sets not that high.

Not just talking about on court value & I’m not saying he’s worth the above pkg but he’s just turning 24 and has averaged 20/9 on elite efficiency over the last 3 years with improved defense (+2.28 DRPM/+0.9 Raptor this past yr as well as good d metrics from the yr before) and he’s averaging 21/8+ on 62 TS% without Trae the last couple years for ppl that think he can’t score without him. 5/125 for that production/age with the cap raising shouldn’t have his value not that high but I guess hawks value him higher. Value is fine with the guarantee but never loved the Beal fit….maybe with less usage you see better defense though.

[Slim Tubby]

Part of the reason the Sixers find themselves in the current situation is because they didn't game out a scenario where a hoped-for offer didn't come. I'd be interested in knowing what the plan is months from now if the hoped-for offer still hasn't come.

I think part of it is that they almost stopped taking offers. But at the same time I think all of this gets morey listening to offers again which gets enough of a bidding war to have him gone by opening night or sooner

You’re right, for the sake of Sixers fans, they need to hope that a bidding war will start. Right now, Simmons is a $32 mil hole in their production, and that will cost them games. He is also a dark cloud hanging over every aspect of the franchise. He is clearly worth less to them than the other 29 teams.

Waiting all summer has reduced the value Simmons provides. With his great strengths, and great weaknesses, Ben is perhaps the hardest player in the NBA to build around, and the Sixers have struggled to do it for five full years. Now, a buyer is expected to do so on the fly, without a summer of roster construction to make it fit. Moreover, by waiting, Simmons had time to demonstrate he will refuse to honor his contract is he is unhappy - every GM must be scared to death of that.

I do agree with you on the timing. This needs to be resolved soon, so a new team can get him into training camp and create and implement systems with Ben as a major part. However, at this late date, I don’t know how much of a bidding war there will be.

Outstanding perspective and well thought out post.


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[Foshan]

I think part of it is that they almost stopped taking offers. But at the same time I think all of this gets morey listening to offers again which gets enough of a bidding war to have him gone by opening night or sooner

You’re right, for the sake of Sixers fans, they need to hope that a bidding war will start. Right now, Simmons is a $32 mil hole in their production, and that will cost them games. He is also a dark cloud hanging over every aspect of the franchise. He is clearly worth less to them than the other 29 teams.

Waiting all summer has reduced the value Simmons provides. With his great strengths, and great weaknesses, Ben is perhaps the hardest player in the NBA to build around, and the Sixers have struggled to do it for five full years. Now, a buyer is expected to do so on the fly, without a summer of roster construction to make it fit. Moreover, by waiting, Simmons had time to demonstrate he will refuse to honor his contract is he is unhappy - every GM must be scared to death of that.

I do agree with you on the timing. This needs to be resolved soon, so a new team can get him into training camp and create and implement systems with Ben as a major part. However, at this late date, I don’t know how much of a bidding war there will be.

Outstanding perspective and well thought out post.


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I would disagree a bit with Shrink. I don't think a bidding war at this point is possible for Ben. I think it is what the FO was hoping for this summer and it failed to show up, so to hope for it again seems off. On the other hand, waiting for other team disfunction is their best bet. Whether it's a team canning it's president (Min), a player whose contract situation doesn't go as smoothly as the team expected (Beal, Harden), a team that gets frustrated with its out of the gate start (could be anyone). While this might not start a bidding war, it should make someone more interested to take him.

For the above reason, i don't think the Sixers need to be in a rush to move him. It will only be other teams dysfunction at this point that increases his perceived value. While he is 'hard to build around,' I think there is a good argument that two interested teams (MIN/SAS) already have rosters that are primed for his addition. Other interested teams (IND/POR) are also in a similarly good position to add him to what is already in place (IMO). The chance of all 4 of these teams not performing up to desired expectations is also pretty high IMO.

Granted, his contract issue / non-presence at camp or in the line up will create a dark cloud for the Sixers players/environment. I also agree that a guy who doesn't honor his contract would be scary to the next GM.

[Slim Tubby]

I don’t fault Simmons for not wanting to return to Philly due to the blame placed on him by Rivers and Embiid…but it also screams insecurity and lack of mental toughness.

I don’t fault the team for fining him every day he’s away from the team…but I don’t believe it helps the situation and the potential negative impact it could have with future free agents. Players take notice.

I don’t see any feasible trade that returns an impact player or possibly even equal trade value at this point but I also think Morey is stubborn enough to wait for a trade that he feels he wins.

It’s an ugly situation and can you imagine what would happen if Embiid got injured in training camp or early in the season? Philly would let Simmons sit at home and forfeiting most of this years salary without a blink of an eye.


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[Slim Tubby]

You’re right, for the sake of Sixers fans, they need to hope that a bidding war will start. Right now, Simmons is a $32 mil hole in their production, and that will cost them games. He is also a dark cloud hanging over every aspect of the franchise. He is clearly worth less to them than the other 29 teams.

Waiting all summer has reduced the value Simmons provides. With his great strengths, and great weaknesses, Ben is perhaps the hardest player in the NBA to build around, and the Sixers have struggled to do it for five full years. Now, a buyer is expected to do so on the fly, without a summer of roster construction to make it fit. Moreover, by waiting, Simmons had time to demonstrate he will refuse to honor his contract is he is unhappy - every GM must be scared to death of that.

I do agree with you on the timing. This needs to be resolved soon, so a new team can get him into training camp and create and implement systems with Ben as a major part. However, at this late date, I don’t know how much of a bidding war there will be.

Outstanding perspective and well thought out post.


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I would disagree a bit with Shrink. I don't think a bidding war at this point is possible for Ben. I think it is what the FO was hoping for this summer and it failed to show up, so to hope for it again seems off. On the other hand, waiting for other team disfunction is their best bet. Whether it's a team canning it's president (Min), a player whose contract situation doesn't go as smoothly as the team expected (Beal, Harden), a team that gets frustrated with its out of the gate start (could be anyone). While this might not start a bidding war, it should make someone more interested to take him.

For the above reason, i don't think the Sixers need to be in a rush to move him. It will only be other teams dysfunction at this point that increases his perceived value. While he is 'hard to build around,' I think there is a good argument that two interested teams (MIN/SAS) already have rosters that are primed for his addition. Other interested teams (IND/POR) are also in a similarly good position to add him to what is already in place (IMO). The chance of all 4 of these teams not performing up to desired expectations is also pretty high IMO.

Granted, his contract issue / non-presence at camp or in the line up will create a dark cloud for the Sixers players/environment. I also agree that a guy who doesn't honor his contract would be scary to the next GM.

I agree for the most part…my idea of a bidding war was multiple teams making below average returns. We need resolution so I can spend more time on my Fantasy team!


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[Sportfan73]

Something tells me it’s Indiana. It’s a weird time for a name to creep out of no where unless there has been RECENT discussions, which morey hasn’t had with a ton of teams. He probably called them back and said let’s rekindle our talks from the summer (though they were short they were still a rumor) and get something done. I can see Carlisle really wanting him and taking the jkidd and luka angle to convince Ben and his camp that he would be good for him. Makes a ton of sense honestly

[zimpy27]

Simmons for pg13 is one of the best trades but PG13 got with Doc and Curry would be a little awkward.

Is there a third team that would take PG13 and then give a star to Philly?

Thinking maybe LaVine would be a good option here.

[jbk1234]

If Philly has struggled to build around Simmons, can we also say Utah has struggled to build around Gobert?

I find the standards of success applied to Philly would be brutal if applied to other teams. Imagine how Minnesota has built around KAT?

I'm not reading Philly has struggled to build around Simmons as an indictment of Philly. I also think that both of you're counter-examples ring true to an extent. You need 2 20+ ppg on the court with Gobert to have postseason success in the West. You probably need an Ibaka/Siakam type playing with KAT (or Jimmy Butler) just to reach the postseason.

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I find it an interesting standard being used to suggest team "struggle". And I definitely think it would be interesting to apply it to other teams and see how many have struggled even more so, versus just using it as narrative to spin why teams that win half as often should pay less for Simmons based off team success.

It's a floor raiser versus a ceiling raiser type of thing. Westbrook has been traded three times in 3 years? Each time with his value declining.

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[kuclas]

The real question is which player is Sixers getting back who will fit with Embiid. While Seth curry had a ton of success with Embiid. He’s such a poor defender. It actually hurt Sixers when curry was being picked on. Sixers pitting thybulle plus Simmons on court was poor decision by dic rivers because thybulle couldn’t hit the side of the ocean shooting wise last year. Plus thybulle wasn’t a good free throw shooter.

[basketballwacko2]

Something tells me it’s Indiana. It’s a weird time for a name to creep out of no where unless there has been RECENT discussions, which morey hasn’t had with a ton of teams. He probably called them back and said let’s rekindle our talks from the summer (though they were short they were still a rumor) and get something done. I can see Carlisle really wanting him and taking the jkidd and luka angle to convince Ben and his camp that he would be good for him. Makes a ton of sense honestly

I certainly hope not! I don't trust the guy he's willing to take a dump on the 76ers and his contract for $31.5 million and I'm not ok with that. If the Pacers did trade for him where does he play? It would have to be pg depending on who is traded for him. I don't want to give Brogdon, Turner or Sabonis. So that leaves LeVert, Warren and Lamb and draft picks, I also don't want to give up much in the way of draft picks.

Problem is LeVert and Warren are both injured and I'm pretty sure the 76ers want more than a pu pu platter. I wish them luck getting some value out of him but it looks like time is up. As my dad used to say fish or cut bait time.

[Sportfan73]

Something tells me it’s Indiana. It’s a weird time for a name to creep out of no where unless there has been RECENT discussions, which morey hasn’t had with a ton of teams. He probably called them back and said let’s rekindle our talks from the summer (though they were short they were still a rumor) and get something done. I can see Carlisle really wanting him and taking the jkidd and luka angle to convince Ben and his camp that he would be good for him. Makes a ton of sense honestly

I certainly hope not! I don't trust the guy he's willing to take a dump on the 76ers and his contract for $31.5 million and I'm not ok with that. If the Pacers did trade for him where does he play? It would have to be pg depending on who is traded for him. I don't want to give Brogdon, Turner or Sabonis. So that leaves LeVert, Warren and Lamb and draft picks, I also don't want to give up much in the way of draft picks.

Problem is LeVert and Warren are both injured and I'm pretty sure the 76ers want more than a pu pu platter. I wish them luck getting some value out of him but it looks like time is up. As my dad used to say fish or cut bait time.

It’s 100 percent Brogdon based if it happens

[Ballerhogger]

Something tells me it’s Indiana. It’s a weird time for a name to creep out of no where unless there has been RECENT discussions, which morey hasn’t had with a ton of teams. He probably called them back and said let’s rekindle our talks from the summer (though they were short they were still a rumor) and get something done. I can see Carlisle really wanting him and taking the jkidd and luka angle to convince Ben and his camp that he would be good for him. Makes a ton of sense honestly

I certainly hope not! I don't trust the guy he's willing to take a dump on the 76ers and his contract for $31.5 million and I'm not ok with that. If the Pacers did trade for him where does he play? It would have to be pg depending on who is traded for him. I don't want to give Brogdon, Turner or Sabonis. So that leaves LeVert, Warren and Lamb and draft picks, I also don't want to give up much in the way of draft picks.

Problem is LeVert and Warren are both injured and I'm pretty sure the 76ers want more than a pu pu platter. I wish them luck getting some value out of him but it looks like time is up. As my dad used to say fish or cut bait time.

brogdon will be moved for simmons if the pacers want him. That's top value for him right now. Theres no getting star maybe they could get picks out Indiana but if the idea is to win now that shouldn't be major concern.

[Ballerhogger]

Simmons for pg13 is one of the best trades but PG13 got with Doc and Curry would be a little awkward.

Is there a third team that would take PG13 and then give a star to Philly?

Thinking maybe LaVine would be a good option here.

if Lavine says he wants out by deadline then maybe... the bulls would do it MAYBE. i think they are going happy with their core though

[Sportfan73]

Something tells me it’s Indiana. It’s a weird time for a name to creep out of no where unless there has been RECENT discussions, which morey hasn’t had with a ton of teams. He probably called them back and said let’s rekindle our talks from the summer (though they were short they were still a rumor) and get something done. I can see Carlisle really wanting him and taking the jkidd and luka angle to convince Ben and his camp that he would be good for him. Makes a ton of sense honestly

I certainly hope not! I don't trust the guy he's willing to take a dump on the 76ers and his contract for $31.5 million and I'm not ok with that. If the Pacers did trade for him where does he play? It would have to be pg depending on who is traded for him. I don't want to give Brogdon, Turner or Sabonis. So that leaves LeVert, Warren and Lamb and draft picks, I also don't want to give up much in the way of draft picks.

Problem is LeVert and Warren are both injured and I'm pretty sure the 76ers want more than a pu pu platter. I wish them luck getting some value out of him but it looks like time is up. As my dad used to say fish or cut bait time.

brogdon will be moved for simmons if the pacers want him. Thats top value for him right now. Theres no getting star maybe they could get picks out Indiana but if the idea is to win now that should be major concern.

I think Simmons/curry to Indy 1/3 of the sabonis assets to Indy

Brogdon to Philly 2/3 of sabonis assets to Philly

Sabonis to third team

Makes a pretty good amount of sense. SA and GS come to mind right away. Though Wiggins contract makes it tough. Something with Murray to Philly maybe for a Murray/Brogdon backcourt

[SharpyShuffle]

Simmons for pg13 is one of the best trades but PG13 got with Doc and Curry would be a little awkward.

Is there a third team that would take PG13 and then give a star to Philly?

Thinking maybe LaVine would be a good option here.

Best trades for who? There's no chance of the Clippers making such a massive downgrade unless Kawhi ends up with a Klay-level injury absence.

I do agree though with the basic principle that the Sixers should be looking to trade Simmons+picks for a true star. Not being the ones accepting picks to take on some overpaid role player like D'lo or CJ

[basketballwacko2]

Something tells me it’s Indiana. It’s a weird time for a name to creep out of no where unless there has been RECENT discussions, which morey hasn’t had with a ton of teams. He probably called them back and said let’s rekindle our talks from the summer (though they were short they were still a rumor) and get something done. I can see Carlisle really wanting him and taking the jkidd and luka angle to convince Ben and his camp that he would be good for him. Makes a ton of sense honestly

I certainly hope not! I don't trust the guy he's willing to take a dump on the 76ers and his contract for $31.5 million and I'm not ok with that. If the Pacers did trade for him where does he play? It would have to be pg depending on who is traded for him. I don't want to give Brogdon, Turner or Sabonis. So that leaves LeVert, Warren and Lamb and draft picks, I also don't want to give up much in the way of draft picks.

Problem is LeVert and Warren are both injured and I'm pretty sure the 76ers want more than a pu pu platter. I wish them luck getting some value out of him but it looks like time is up. As my dad used to say fish or cut bait time.

It’s 100 percent Brogdon based if it happens

I get it that is one player they'd want in a trade with the Pacers I'm saying that I don't want to trade for Ben at all, not even 1 for 1. But Indiana would have to add about $12 million more salary to Brogdon's just to match the money.

[basketballwacko2]

I certainly hope not! I don't trust the guy he's willing to take a dump on the 76ers and his contract for $31.5 million and I'm not ok with that. If the Pacers did trade for him where does he play? It would have to be pg depending on who is traded for him. I don't want to give Brogdon, Turner or Sabonis. So that leaves LeVert, Warren and Lamb and draft picks, I also don't want to give up much in the way of draft picks.

Problem is LeVert and Warren are both injured and I'm pretty sure the 76ers want more than a pu pu platter. I wish them luck getting some value out of him but it looks like time is up. As my dad used to say fish or cut bait time.

brogdon will be moved for simmons if the pacers want him. Thats top value for him right now. Theres no getting star maybe they could get picks out Indiana but if the idea is to win now that should be major concern.

I think Simmons/curry to Indy 1/3 of the sabonis assets to Indy

Brogdon to Philly 2/3 of sabonis assets to Philly

Sabonis to third team

Makes a pretty good amount of sense. SA and GS come to mind right away. Though Wiggins contract makes it tough. Something with Murray to Philly maybe for a Murray/Brogdon backcourt

Yeah if I'm the Indiana front office there's no way I'm giving up Sabonis and Brogdon and ending up with Simmons and Curry and some left overs from the 3rd team.

[gambitx777]

If it truly is anyone but philly. OKC should be interested. They have so many assets that they could get a third team involved to send some decent players to Philly, give them a draft pick a year for ever and still have extras and build around Simmons.

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[NYG]

My prediction is this gets revisited around draft night if Beal or a player of similar caliber are not available before the trade deadline.

[jbk1234]

My prediction is this gets revisited around draft night if Beal or a player of similar caliber are not available before the trade deadline.

As in the next draft? It won't last that long. It's not in the Sixers interest to have a Simmons sized hole, replaced with nothing, for an entire season. Plus, Simmons sitting out for an entire season really would hurt his trade value.

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