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[Sportfan73]

Any IND proposal has to start with Brogdon+. Then again, how does Ben fit with Sabonis?

Yeah Brogdon would be the base of the deal no matter what

I disagree. It has to be Sabonis+. And Sabonis can’t come to Philly, but rather a third team for… something?

Why have a team with Brogdon and Embiid together? You probably get less than 40 games of them each season playing at the same time, including playoffs.

I prefer to think Indy is not a real candidate, but rather a team thrown out there to try and boost the offers.

The fit with Embiid and Maxey is to good. I don’t think you deal with Indy unless you want Brogdon for even more than his 2 years remaining

[Brandon-Clyde]

Does OKC make the PG trade with the Clippers if the Clippers don't meet the asking price? As I recall there was no indication of OKC trading away George before the trade happened. If the Clippers had put George up for trade and taken bids they might have received a similar package from another team.

Another team might have traded the equivalent of their best young player, Gallo, and a ton of picks to be a 6-8 seed and get knocked out in the first round? The Clippers don't get past Dallas, either time, without Leonard. It only made sense because the deal included Leonard.

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I can think of a couple teams that might have offered similar value in the hopes that they would become title contenders . Denver could have offered MPJ or Murray and similar number of picks and pick swaps hoping that a Jokic/PG/ MPJ or Murray(whichever they didn't trade) would be a title contender or Boston could have offered Jaylen Brown and multiple sets of picks thinking a Tatum George pairing could put them in the finals. Neither team would have needed the excuse of adding another all star player to justify making such a trade. Bringing in a player who makes a team a title contender is worth a lot of value in trade.

[HartfordWhalers]

The fit with Embiid and Maxey is to good. I don’t think you deal with Indy unless you want Brogdon for even more than his 2 years remaining

Any chance you think you are getting way ahead of yourself on a rookie who, when Embiid was on the court with the team had a negative net rating (-.7) versus a stunning +13.8 without Maxey?

Granted, they played a grand total of 205 regular season minutes together, which might invalidate all those stats except it also highlights the absurdity of coming to such a strong conclusion about their fit, no?

[Sportfan73]

The fit with Embiid and Maxey is to good. I don’t think you deal with Indy unless you want Brogdon for even more than his 2 years remaining

Any chance you think you are getting way ahead of yourself on a rookie who, when Embiid was on the court with the team had a negative net rating (-.7) versus a stunning +13.8 without Maxey?

Granted, they played a grand total of 205 regular season minutes together, which might invalidate all those stats except it also highlights the absurdity of coming to such a strong conclusion about their fit, no?

Sure, but Brogdon also has a super moveable deal, and also if he stayed would fit great next to anyone the acquired. But yes decent chance I’m getting ahead of myself with Maxey

[jbk1234]

Does OKC make the PG trade with the Clippers if the Clippers don't meet the asking price? As I recall there was no indication of OKC trading away George before the trade happened. If the Clippers had put George up for trade and taken bids they might have received a similar package from another team.

Another team might have traded the equivalent of their best young player, Gallo, and a ton of picks to be a 6-8 seed and get knocked out in the first round? The Clippers don't get past Dallas, either time, without Leonard. It only made sense because the deal included Leonard.

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I can think of a couple teams that might have offered similar value in the hopes that they would become title contenders . Denver could have offered MPJ or Murray and similar number of picks and pick swaps hoping that a Jokic/PG/ MPJ or Murray(whichever they didn't trade) would be a title contender or Boston could have offered Jaylen Brown and multiple sets of picks thinking a Tatum George pairing could put them in the finals. Neither team would have needed the excuse of adding another all star player to justify making such a trade. Bringing in a player who makes a team a title contender is worth a lot of value in trade.

Then why didn't they when the Pacers were shopping him? In reality, neither Sabonis nor Dipo looked like special players when they were traded. People were debating whether Dipo was overpaid and better suited for a bench role.

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[babyjax13]

Pacers trade: Brogden, Levert, 2022 1st (lottery protected, 2 2nds)
76ers trade: Simmons, Korkmaz
Pacers get Simmons at a cost I think they can live with, Philly gets another "B- tier star" in Brogden and potentially another in LeVert, the supporting cast around Embiid would be good and make stylistic sense, even if they aren't returning the caliber player they had hoped.

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Pacers follow-ups
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Pacers trade: Sabonis, Lamb
Raptors trade: Siakam
Pacers get an elite two-way power forward who is, imo, a nice fit with Simmons + Turner and gives them a foundation for an elite defensive team and a pretty good team on offense. Raptors add a center who makes a lot of sense next to OG + Barnes.

Pacers trade: Warren, Holiday, Sumner
Kings trade: Hield, 2022 SAC 2nd (protected 55-60), 2023 SAC 2nd, 2025 SAC 2nd, 2026 SAC 2nd
Kings swap guard depth for forward depth, roll the dice on Warren recovering and being the same 18-22ppg small forward. Worst case scenario they save a ton of money. Pacers add the highest volume three point shooter they can to compliment Simmons.

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Pacers depth chart
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Simmons 32/McConnell 16
Hield 32/Duarte 16
Brissett 26/Korkmaz 14/Duarte 8
Siakam 34/Craig 14
Turner 32/Bitazde 16

Starting lineup 3PT-M in 2020-21): 8.5/game
Utah Jazz (leader in 20-21): 10.1
Milwaukee (10th in 20-21): 8.6/game

Pacers would likely be above average in 3 pointers made, and if Siakam returns to 18-19 volume, probably fairly elite.

[kuclas]

Another team might have traded the equivalent of their best young player, Gallo, and a ton of picks to be a 6-8 seed and get knocked out in the first round? The Clippers don't get past Dallas, either time, without Leonard. It only made sense because the deal included Leonard.

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I can think of a couple teams that might have offered similar value in the hopes that they would become title contenders . Denver could have offered MPJ or Murray and similar number of picks and pick swaps hoping that a Jokic/PG/ MPJ or Murray(whichever they didn't trade) would be a title contender or Boston could have offered Jaylen Brown and multiple sets of picks thinking a Tatum George pairing could put them in the finals. Neither team would have needed the excuse of adding another all star player to justify making such a trade. Bringing in a player who makes a team a title contender is worth a lot of value in trade.

Then why didn't they when the Pacers were shopping him? In reality, neither Sabonis nor Dipo looked like special players when they were traded. People were debating whether Dipo was overpaid and better suited for a bench role.

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We need to clairfy which Paul George deal.
The 2017 Indy to okc deal (George was expiring contract said he wasn’t resigning). Thus return for George much lower. You take what you can get in Indiana case

Or the 2019 Paul George deal on a longer contract (with player option) that included stipulations Leonard was signing as a free agent with clippers. If clippers didn’t get any guarantee Leonard was signing. I do not think they make that trade.

[jbk1234]

I can think of a couple teams that might have offered similar value in the hopes that they would become title contenders . Denver could have offered MPJ or Murray and similar number of picks and pick swaps hoping that a Jokic/PG/ MPJ or Murray(whichever they didn't trade) would be a title contender or Boston could have offered Jaylen Brown and multiple sets of picks thinking a Tatum George pairing could put them in the finals. Neither team would have needed the excuse of adding another all star player to justify making such a trade. Bringing in a player who makes a team a title contender is worth a lot of value in trade.

Then why didn't they when the Pacers were shopping him? In reality, neither Sabonis nor Dipo looked like special players when they were traded. People were debating whether Dipo was overpaid and better suited for a bench role.

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We need to clairfy which Paul George deal.
The 2017 Indy to okc deal (George was expiring contract said he wasn’t resigning). Thus return for George much lower. You take what you can get in Indiana case

Or the 2019 Paul George deal on a longer contract (with player option) that included stipulations Leonard was signing as a free agent with clippers. If clippers didn’t get any guarantee Leonard was signing. I do not think they make that trade.

That's pretty much the point everyone but a single poster is making. The Clippers weren't just trading for PG. The Lakers weren't just trading for AD. The Bucks weren't just trading for Jrue. Those organizations had superstars holding guns to their heads.

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[Roy The Natural]

Then why didn't they when the Pacers were shopping him? In reality, neither Sabonis nor Dipo looked like special players when they were traded. People were debating whether Dipo was overpaid and better suited for a bench role.

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We need to clairfy which Paul George deal.
The 2017 Indy to okc deal (George was expiring contract said he wasn’t resigning). Thus return for George much lower. You take what you can get in Indiana case

Or the 2019 Paul George deal on a longer contract (with player option) that included stipulations Leonard was signing as a free agent with clippers. If clippers didn’t get any guarantee Leonard was signing. I do not think they make that trade.

That's pretty much the point everyone but a single poster is making. The Clippers weren't just trading for PG. The Lakers weren't just trading for AD. The Bucks weren't just trading for Jrue. Those organizations had superstars holding guns to their heads.

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I think you're implying me as that poster. However that was the exact point I WAS making. The PG13 trade was similar to the many other star trades we see. The Harden trade was a complete outlier in the return. The PG13 trade isn't all that unique in its circumstances. The Harden trade was. Therefore the likely scenarios of any star trade falls further inline with AD, Kyrie, Jrue, or PG then it does with Harden. That's all I'm trying to say. The idea that Portland would trade the most beloved player in franchise history for a bunch of undescript 1st rounds isn't annidea based in reality as far as I'm concerned. They would require a guaranteed lotto pick or a very promising highly talented young player in return to sell the fan base on as the future IMO.

I just don't think the PG13 trade was all that unique. It's the defacto when stars move teams these days. A role player, a highly talented prospect/lotto pick... And then some roulette table future 1sts. The Harden trade is basically the only one that didn't get that formula as a return, and now some posters use that as the guidelines.... I just vehemently disagree with that notion.

[Lovetron Joe]

Pacers trade: Brogden, Levert, 2022 1st (lottery protected, 2 2nds)
76ers trade: Simmons, Korkmaz
Pacers get Simmons at a cost I think they can live with, Philly gets another "B- tier star" in Brogden and potentially another in LeVert, the supporting cast around Embiid would be good and make stylistic sense, even if they aren't returning the caliber player they had hoped.

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Pacers follow-ups
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Pacers trade: Sabonis, Lamb
Raptors trade: Siakam
Pacers get an elite two-way power forward who is, imo, a nice fit with Simmons + Turner and gives them a foundation for an elite defensive team and a pretty good team on offense. Raptors add a center who makes a lot of sense next to OG + Barnes.

Pacers trade: Warren, Holiday, Sumner
Kings trade: Hield, 2022 SAC 2nd (protected 55-60), 2023 SAC 2nd, 2025 SAC 2nd, 2026 SAC 2nd
Kings swap guard depth for forward depth, roll the dice on Warren recovering and being the same 18-22ppg small forward. Worst case scenario they save a ton of money. Pacers add the highest volume three point shooter they can to compliment Simmons.

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Pacers depth chart
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Simmons 32/McConnell 16
Hield 32/Duarte 16
Brissett 26/Korkmaz 14/Duarte 8
Siakam 34/Craig 14
Turner 32/Bitazde 16

Starting lineup 3PT-M in 2020-21): 8.5/game
Utah Jazz (leader in 20-21): 10.1
Milwaukee (10th in 20-21): 8.6/game

Pacers would likely be above average in 3 pointers made, and if Siakam returns to 18-19 volume, probably fairly elite.

Levert has a stress fracture in his back. Brogden's injury list is endless. This is not happening.

[jbk1234]

We need to clairfy which Paul George deal.
The 2017 Indy to okc deal (George was expiring contract said he wasn’t resigning). Thus return for George much lower. You take what you can get in Indiana case

Or the 2019 Paul George deal on a longer contract (with player option) that included stipulations Leonard was signing as a free agent with clippers. If clippers didn’t get any guarantee Leonard was signing. I do not think they make that trade.

That's pretty much the point everyone but a single poster is making. The Clippers weren't just trading for PG. The Lakers weren't just trading for AD. The Bucks weren't just trading for Jrue. Those organizations had superstars holding guns to their heads.

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I think you're implying me as that poster. However that was the exact point I WAS making. The PG13 trade was similar to the many other star trades we see. The Harden trade was a complete outlier in the return. The PG13 trade isn't all that unique in its circumstances. The Harden trade was. Therefore the likely scenarios of any star trade falls further inline with AD, Kyrie, Jrue, or PG then it does with Harden. That's all I'm trying to say. The idea that Portland would trade the most beloved player in franchise history for a bunch of undescript 1st rounds isn't annidea based in reality as far as I'm concerned. They would require a guaranteed lotto pick or a very promising highly talented young player in return to sell the fan base on as the future IMO.

I just don't think the PG13 trade was all that unique. It's the defacto when stars move teams these days. A role player, a highly talented prospect/lotto pick... And then some roulette table future 1sts.

I have Kyrie and Harden as the norm and the other trades as the exceptions. The Clippers needed Leonard to sign, the Lakers need LBJ not to leave, and the Bucks really needed Giannis to sign that extension.

So if you're telling me that Beal will extend with the Wizards if they'll trade for Simmons, or Dame, or whoever, then you can hope for such a return. If not, no one is mortgaging their future like that. That offer isn't coming.

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[Roy The Natural]

That's pretty much the point everyone but a single poster is making. The Clippers weren't just trading for PG. The Lakers weren't just trading for AD. The Bucks weren't just trading for Jrue. Those organizations had superstars holding guns to their heads.

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I think you're implying me as that poster. However that was the exact point I WAS making. The PG13 trade was similar to the many other star trades we see. The Harden trade was a complete outlier in the return. The PG13 trade isn't all that unique in its circumstances. The Harden trade was. Therefore the likely scenarios of any star trade falls further inline with AD, Kyrie, Jrue, or PG then it does with Harden. That's all I'm trying to say. The idea that Portland would trade the most beloved player in franchise history for a bunch of undescript 1st rounds isn't annidea based in reality as far as I'm concerned. They would require a guaranteed lotto pick or a very promising highly talented young player in return to sell the fan base on as the future IMO.

I just don't think the PG13 trade was all that unique. It's the defacto when stars move teams these days. A role player, a highly talented prospect/lotto pick... And then some roulette table future 1sts.

I have Kyrie and Harden as the norm and the other trades as the exceptions. The Clippers needed Leonard to sign, the Lakers need LBJ not to leave, and the Bucks really needed Giannis to sign that extension.

So if you're telling me that Beal will extend with the Wizards if they'll trade for Simmons, or Dame, or whoever, then you can hope for such a return. If not, no one is mortgaging their future like that. That offer isn't coming.

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Except when a star hits the market. There's almost always a star some where else pulling out a gun. That's how it works.

The Kyrie return was HUGE at the time. Thomas was only marginally worse as a player than Kyrie. He was coming off a big injury but it wasn't known at the time he would fall off a cliff immediately. The Kyrie trade would be like the equivalent of the Blazers getting Jamal Murray, Aaron Gordon and a top 8 pick for Lillard. That's a damn solid return if you're looking to retool.

Kyrie wasn't anywhere near what Lillard is now as a star either.

[zimpy27]

Pacers trade: Brogden, Levert, 2022 1st (lottery protected, 2 2nds)
76ers trade: Simmons, Korkmaz
Pacers get Simmons at a cost I think they can live with, Philly gets another "B- tier star" in Brogden and potentially another in LeVert, the supporting cast around Embiid would be good and make stylistic sense, even if they aren't returning the caliber player they had hoped.

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Pacers follow-ups
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Pacers trade: Sabonis, Lamb
Raptors trade: Siakam
Pacers get an elite two-way power forward who is, imo, a nice fit with Simmons + Turner and gives them a foundation for an elite defensive team and a pretty good team on offense. Raptors add a center who makes a lot of sense next to OG + Barnes.

Pacers trade: Warren, Holiday, Sumner
Kings trade: Hield, 2022 SAC 2nd (protected 55-60), 2023 SAC 2nd, 2025 SAC 2nd, 2026 SAC 2nd
Kings swap guard depth for forward depth, roll the dice on Warren recovering and being the same 18-22ppg small forward. Worst case scenario they save a ton of money. Pacers add the highest volume three point shooter they can to compliment Simmons.

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Pacers depth chart
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Simmons 32/McConnell 16
Hield 32/Duarte 16
Brissett 26/Korkmaz 14/Duarte 8
Siakam 34/Craig 14
Turner 32/Bitazde 16

Starting lineup 3PT-M in 2020-21): 8.5/game
Utah Jazz (leader in 20-21): 10.1
Milwaukee (10th in 20-21): 8.6/game

Pacers would likely be above average in 3 pointers made, and if Siakam returns to 18-19 volume, probably fairly elite.

It's interesting. Don't think Hield for Warren makes it though.
I prefer the lineup of Curry, Brogdon, Warren, Simmons, Turner


POR trade CJ+POR24FRP and get Siakam

PHI trade Simmons+Curry and get CJ+LeVert+POR24FRP

IND trade Sabonis+LeVert+Lamb+IND22FRP and get Simmons+Curry+Boucher

TOR trade Siakam+Boucher and get Sabonis+Lamb+IND22FRP

[Brandon-Clyde]

Another team might have traded the equivalent of their best young player, Gallo, and a ton of picks to be a 6-8 seed and get knocked out in the first round? The Clippers don't get past Dallas, either time, without Leonard. It only made sense because the deal included Leonard.

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I can think of a couple teams that might have offered similar value in the hopes that they would become title contenders . Denver could have offered MPJ or Murray and similar number of picks and pick swaps hoping that a Jokic/PG/ MPJ or Murray(whichever they didn't trade) would be a title contender or Boston could have offered Jaylen Brown and multiple sets of picks thinking a Tatum George pairing could put them in the finals. Neither team would have needed the excuse of adding another all star player to justify making such a trade. Bringing in a player who makes a team a title contender is worth a lot of value in trade.

Then why didn't they when the Pacers were shopping him? In reality, neither Sabonis nor Dipo looked like special players when they were traded. People were debating whether Dipo was overpaid and better suited for a bench role.

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Different years and different situations, different valuation of George as a player ( players value does change year to year) and OKC was bringing George in to pair him with reigning MVP Russell Westbrook so a very similar situation to the two examples I gave. George brought in less at that time in part because he was an expiring who many expected to go to the Lakers after the next season's end and even then he brought in a teams second leading scorer and a promising young player who had been a lottery pick the year before.

[basketballwacko2]

How many picks does Toronto need to give Philly to upgrade from Dragic to Sabonis in a multi-team deal where Simmons goes to Indiana?

I don't know why Indiana is even in this discussion! No way would I give Sabonis for Simmons in a 1 for 1 deal. Simmons is a better defensive player but Sabonis is a better all around player and better contract and better character/team mate. Why bring in a guy like Ben who has already crapped out on one team? Do we need another Paul George?

[basketballwacko2]

Just trying something as an Indy fan..

Caris, Warren, Duarte, Jackson, 2022 and 2024 firsts
For
Simmons, Joe, and Reed

Does Cleveland trade Sexton for Duarte and a 2022 first?

Seems insulting, but depends on which day I open this thread.

God no! Duarte, Jackson and 2 #1 picks? If the Pacers do that I'm giving up on the NBA and watching NWA wrestling from now on. LeVert, and Warren, plus a pick and maybe Lamb too, they can send Curry too if they want for Salary reasons.

Simmons is just a flawed player he's not a super star in the way a Harden or AD is. On top of that he's shown a lack of character by holding out. It's asking for a Paul George situation in a year or 2 when he decides to demand a trade again.

[basketballwacko2]

Just trying something as an Indy fan..

Caris, Warren, Duarte, Jackson, 2022 and 2024 firsts
For
Simmons, Joe, and Reed

Does Cleveland trade Sexton for Duarte and a 2022 first?

Seems insulting, but depends on which day I open this thread.

Any IND proposal has to start with Brogdon+. Then again, how does Ben fit with Sabonis?

That's the question! Simmons would have to be the pg and he can't shoot so who are the shooters? Turner is about 35% from 3 pt range and then there's LeVert and Warren both are currently out, TJ is 35% and Levert is 33.6%, and Sabonis is not great from the 3 either. This would be a very poor shooting team.

[the_process]

Pacers trade: Brogden, Levert, 2022 1st (lottery protected, 2 2nds)
76ers trade: Simmons, Korkmaz
Pacers get Simmons at a cost I think they can live with, Philly gets another "B- tier star" in Brogden and potentially another in LeVert, the supporting cast around Embiid would be good and make stylistic sense, even if they aren't returning the caliber player they had hoped.

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Pacers follow-ups
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Pacers trade: Sabonis, Lamb
Raptors trade: Siakam
Pacers get an elite two-way power forward who is, imo, a nice fit with Simmons + Turner and gives them a foundation for an elite defensive team and a pretty good team on offense. Raptors add a center who makes a lot of sense next to OG + Barnes.

Pacers trade: Warren, Holiday, Sumner
Kings trade: Hield, 2022 SAC 2nd (protected 55-60), 2023 SAC 2nd, 2025 SAC 2nd, 2026 SAC 2nd
Kings swap guard depth for forward depth, roll the dice on Warren recovering and being the same 18-22ppg small forward. Worst case scenario they save a ton of money. Pacers add the highest volume three point shooter they can to compliment Simmons.

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Pacers depth chart
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Simmons 32/McConnell 16
Hield 32/Duarte 16
Brissett 26/Korkmaz 14/Duarte 8
Siakam 34/Craig 14
Turner 32/Bitazde 16

Starting lineup 3PT-M in 2020-21): 8.5/game
Utah Jazz (leader in 20-21): 10.1
Milwaukee (10th in 20-21): 8.6/game

Pacers would likely be above average in 3 pointers made, and if Siakam returns to 18-19 volume, probably fairly elite.

How many games do you anticipate that all 3 of Brogdon, Levert, and Embiid will be available each year?

[zimpy27]

Just trying something as an Indy fan..

Caris, Warren, Duarte, Jackson, 2022 and 2024 firsts
For
Simmons, Joe, and Reed

Does Cleveland trade Sexton for Duarte and a 2022 first?

Seems insulting, but depends on which day I open this thread.

Any IND proposal has to start with Brogdon+. Then again, how does Ben fit with Sabonis?

That's the question! Simmons would have to be the pg and he can't shoot so who are the shooters? Turner is about 35% from 3 pt range and then there's LeVert and Warren both are currently out, TJ is 35% and Levert is 33.6%, and Sabonis is not great from the 3 either. This would be a very poor shooting team.

Sabonis+LeVert for Simmons+Curry is the angle I'd be going. You want Brogdon and Curry shooting next to Simmons
Curry, Brogdon, Simmons, Warren, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga

Philly would take LeVert but Sabonis needs to be converted to another piece for Philly with a 3rd team. LeVert is a great fit with Philly because of his versatility playing SG/SF and being a playmaker. Would work as a starter or 6th man for them. And Indy would not need LeVert with Simmons, Brogdon, McConnell

I like Sabonis in Toronto or Raptors. In both iterations I see CJ and an FRP going to Philly.
Sabonis to Raptors, Siakam to Portland, CJ+POR24FRP to Philly
Sabonis+Boucher to Portland, Nurkic to Raptors, CJ+TOR22FRP to Philly

[babyjax13]

Pacers trade: Brogden, Levert, 2022 1st (lottery protected, 2 2nds)
76ers trade: Simmons, Korkmaz
Pacers get Simmons at a cost I think they can live with, Philly gets another "B- tier star" in Brogden and potentially another in LeVert, the supporting cast around Embiid would be good and make stylistic sense, even if they aren't returning the caliber player they had hoped.

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Pacers follow-ups
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Pacers trade: Sabonis, Lamb
Raptors trade: Siakam
Pacers get an elite two-way power forward who is, imo, a nice fit with Simmons + Turner and gives them a foundation for an elite defensive team and a pretty good team on offense. Raptors add a center who makes a lot of sense next to OG + Barnes.

Pacers trade: Warren, Holiday, Sumner
Kings trade: Hield, 2022 SAC 2nd (protected 55-60), 2023 SAC 2nd, 2025 SAC 2nd, 2026 SAC 2nd
Kings swap guard depth for forward depth, roll the dice on Warren recovering and being the same 18-22ppg small forward. Worst case scenario they save a ton of money. Pacers add the highest volume three point shooter they can to compliment Simmons.

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Pacers depth chart
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Simmons 32/McConnell 16
Hield 32/Duarte 16
Brissett 26/Korkmaz 14/Duarte 8
Siakam 34/Craig 14
Turner 32/Bitazde 16

Starting lineup 3PT-M in 2020-21): 8.5/game
Utah Jazz (leader in 20-21): 10.1
Milwaukee (10th in 20-21): 8.6/game

Pacers would likely be above average in 3 pointers made, and if Siakam returns to 18-19 volume, probably fairly elite.

Levert has a stress fracture in his back. Brogden's injury list is endless. This is not happening.

That's fine, 6ers can just hold onto Simmons and hope for a better offer - it might come, it might not. I don't see what else Indiana could or should offer.