Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[Klomp]

OK so if I am Gupta I am looking at the roster and identifying the players he wants to tie himself too. KAT, Ant, McDaniels are his best assets. Then he has D'Lo and Beasely, who are competent, proven NBA players who have been with the team for more than one season. Then he has Vando, Reid, Nowell, McLaughlin -- guys that the Wolves have developed and turned them into NBA players. Then he has Prince and Beverley, guys the last gm acquired before he was booted out; but ultimately Gupta sees value in both as they can be plus contributors on the court and they are on expiring so there is certainly no commitments here beyond this season.

The one person on our roster who makes no sense to me is Bolmaro. Bolmaro made sense when we had two Spanish speaking players, one of whom is perhaps a top 5 player in franchise history. He barely made sense holistically, when you considered his role in Barcelona, the intricacies and logistics of moving a player from a European league over to the NBA, and his only ties to Minnesota was an assistant coach from a previous regime in Pablo Prigioni and a Spanish-speaking GM.

Now the GM is gone and I don't quite see Pablo's future on this team. Who knows? Maybe Finch loves Pablo. But I also know that every coach likes to bring in their own guys, especially when ownership wasn't thrilled with the people inhouse before and after you got there. Again, there's a chance Pablo and Gupta have a relationship goes way back that I am discounting -- but it's not like Gupta's future with this franchise is set in stone.

So if Pablo's situation isn't exactly stable, where does that leave Bolmaro? Does he feel as screwed as Hernangomez did this offseason? Would he have agreed to come over from Spain if he knew Rosas wasn't going to be here this season?

And then there's his role on this team. If we don't trade for Simmons, we have Beverley, Edwards, Beasely, McDaniels and Prince ahead of him at the SG/SF positions. That doesn't even mention Okogie and Nowell.

If Ant is our future, is it really wise to spend a lot of resources and time developing a player who essentially plays the same position?

I mean what are we doing here? The only plausible reason I could justify Bolmaro coming over this year as opposed to having him gain more experience in Europe for another season is if we make a Simmons trade and all of a sudden we are out Beasely, Beverley and McDaniels and we all of a sudden need a body to backup the 1, 2 and 3 positions.

I don't think I could disagree more with all of this. There is a history with Finch and Pablo and also with Pablo and Gupta. if they didn't see eye to eye, I'm sure Pablo would've moved on this offseason.

[winforlose]

With all the talk of Simmons and trading big contracts around I feel like we maybe missed some discussion on smaller targets. One player I am keeping an eye on is Paul Reed. After his phenomenal summer league showing I cannot help but be intrigued by the possibility of pairing him with Naz and creating a Reed/Reid connection. Another player I am watching is Boston PG Payton Pritchard. If we do move Beverly at some point this season then Prichard would be an excellent choice for backup. Granted he is young and therefore costly, but his rookie season definitely makes him worthy of paying attention too. I figured this thread could be a good place for people to share their players they are keeping track of and exchange feedback. But please, let’s try to do a better job than with the Simmons threads.

[TaylorTag]

I just don’t see the 76ers moving Reed, especially since they will be without Simmons this year.

But good thread idea. I’ll mull some guys and follow up later

[gandlogo]

Good thread idea - and nearly identical to the ninth iteration of the Trade Thread buried all the way back on page one.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2118770

[SO_MONEY]

I created a list around half way through FA so it includes a wide range of guys, but I am always a fan of finding value and some of these guys, some more than others offer that without breaking the bank asset wise.

C. Reddish
O. Okongwu

A. Nesmith

N. Claxson
A. Johnson

M. Bridges
P.J. Washington
J. McDaniels

T. Brown Jr.

H. Diallo

KZ Okpala

M. Robinson

M. Bamba
C. Okeke

P. Reed

M. Flynn
P. Achiuwa

M. Brown

K. Thomas
J. Tate
K. Martin Jr

B. Clarke
X. Tillman
J. Porter

N. Alexander-Walker
K. Lewis Jr.
N. Marshall
J. Hayes

D. Bazley
K. Williams
I. Roby
L. Fort

J. Smith

A. Simons
N. Little

T. Davis

L. Walker IV


N. Mannion
R. Perry
C. Stanley
T. Bey
F. Ntilikna
D. Smith Jr
I. Hartebstein
H. Gilies III
S. Mykhailiuk
D.J. Wilson
S. Johnson
D. Exum
J. Jackson
T. Luwawu-Cabarrot
R. Hollis-Jefferson

[jpatrick]

I’m not sure. I’d think they have to be looking at someone to help improve rebounding. That’s going to be the biggest issue with the current roster.

[DeBouillon]

We have been fixated on Simmons so much. Is there a team out there that has a player that fills our needs at PF that we can trade picks and filler that won't cost all of the good pieces we have acquired? A team that maybe doesn't have as big a need at the position that would like 1st round Twolves picks?

[Folklore]

We're just too small.



Wolves get
D. Finney-Smith
Moses Brown

Dallas get
Jake Layman
J. Nowell


I just want Moses on the team.

Nowell sees himself as a max player so he'll want to get paid.

[Domejandro]

No shot Minnesota poaches a terrific role player like DFS for nothing. Dude is really good and locked in for peanuts.

[NebWolvesFan]

We're just too small.



Wolves get
D. Finney-Smith
Moses Brown

Dallas get
Jake Layman
J. Nowell


I just want Moses on the team.

Nowell sees himself as a max player so he'll want to get paid.

The problem with Moses or any pure center is that Towns and Reid are going to take up all the minutes at the five. Minnesota really needs to find a strong power forward with the ability to rebound. I'd love to get Paul Reed on this team somehow. For more of a vet - Thad Young would be a great fit. I still think V8 can be solid.

[Klomp]

What about Trey Lyles in Detroit? Only costs $2.5 million this year.

[_AIJ_]

The one person on our roster who makes no sense to me is Bolmaro. Bolmaro made sense when we had two Spanish speaking players, one of whom is perhaps a top 5 player in franchise history.

Wait what?

KG
KAT
Love
Sam
Ant
Al Jefferson
Pooh
Dlo

How?

[Note30]

The one person on our roster who makes no sense to me is Bolmaro. Bolmaro made sense when we had two Spanish speaking players, one of whom is perhaps a top 5 player in franchise history.

Wait what?

KG
KAT
Love
Sam
Ant
Al Jefferson
Pooh
Dlo

How?

We all know how much hate you have for Rubio. Arguing with you on something like this is nuts.

[shrink]

I wanted to take an opportunity here to discuss that acquiring the right players is an especially important factor for Minnesota, simply because they are Minnesota. Like probably 25 other teams, superstars aren’t signing in Minnesota as free agents. However, I think it is an even harder issue for MIN, since the city is portrayed nationally as inside the Arctic Circle, when it has a similar latitude to MIL, CHI, DET, TOR and BOS. Many national correspondents, particularly ESPN, generally ask a new Wolves player about the weather in the first three questions. For players who played high school, college, and pro ball in exclusively hot cities, there is often a lot of trepidation.

Strangely, and Smitty mentioned this on his Hoop Collective podcast a couple weeks ago, once new players get here, they seem to love the city (often much more than the actual team). It is very metropolitan, has terrific opportunities for families, top schools, and a beautiful city with lakes and trails.

For trade-makers, I think you add an extra dose of realism if you check on the background of players before sending them to MIN. For example, I was worried that Patrick Beverley would be frustrated to be traded to MIN. I was completely wrong. Ever since he arrived six weeks ago, he has been gushing over the city. I finally realized why last week. He’s from Chicago and loves Minneapolis and it’s proximity to family in Chicago, so he’s used to a little cold weather for 3-4 months of the year.

Anyway, I wanted to post because I think this issue isn’t something trade-makers consider. MIN needs happy players, and if they are happy, right from the start, that’s a plus.

[shrink]

The one person on our roster who makes no sense to me is Bolmaro. Bolmaro made sense when we had two Spanish speaking players, one of whom is perhaps a top 5 player in franchise history.

Wait what?

KG
KAT
Love
Sam
Ant
Al Jefferson
Pooh
Dlo

How?

I would put Rubio in the Top 5.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/leaders_career.html

[Klomp]

I wanted to take an opportunity here to discuss that acquiring the right players is an especially important factor for Minnesota, simply because they are Minnesota. Like probably 25 other teams, superstars aren’t signing in Minnesota as free agents. However, I think it is an even harder issue for MIN, since the city is portrayed nationally as inside the Arctic Circle, when it has a similar latitude to MIL, CHI, DET, TOR and BOS. Many national correspondents, particularly ESPN, generally ask a new Wolves player about the weather in the first three questions. For players who played high school, college, and pro ball in exclusively hot cities, there is often a lot of trepidation.

Strangely, and Smitty mentioned this on his Hoop Collective podcast a couple weeks ago, once new players get here, they seem to love the city (often much more than the actual team). It is very metropolitan, has terrific opportunities for families, top schools, and a beautiful city with lakes and trails.

For trade-makers, I think you add an extra dose of realism if you check on the background of players before sending them to MIN. For example, I was worried that Patrick Beverley would be frustrated to be traded to MIN. I was completely wrong. Ever since he arrived six weeks ago, he has been gushing over the city. I finally realized why last week. He’s from Chicago and loves Minneapolis and it’s proximity to family in Chicago, so he’s used to a little cold weather for 3-4 months of the year.

Anyway, I wanted to post because I think this issue isn’t something trade-makers consider. MIN needs happy players, and if they are happy, right from the start, that’s a plus.

Trade Malik Beasley and Josh Okogie for Gary Trent Jr and Freddie Gillespie!

[old school 34]

I wanted to take an opportunity here to discuss that acquiring the right players is an especially important factor for Minnesota, simply because they are Minnesota. Like probably 25 other teams, superstars aren’t signing in Minnesota as free agents. However, I think it is an even harder issue for MIN, since the city is portrayed nationally as inside the Arctic Circle, when it has a similar latitude to MIL, CHI, DET, TOR and BOS. Many national correspondents, particularly ESPN, generally ask a new Wolves player about the weather in the first three questions. For players who played high school, college, and pro ball in exclusively hot cities, there is often a lot of trepidation.

Strangely, and Smitty mentioned this on his Hoop Collective podcast a couple weeks ago, once new players get here, they seem to love the city (often much more than the actual team). It is very metropolitan, has terrific opportunities for families, top schools, and a beautiful city with lakes and trails.

For trade-makers, I think you add an extra dose of realism if you check on the background of players before sending them to MIN. For example, I was worried that Patrick Beverley would be frustrated to be traded to MIN. I was completely wrong. Ever since he arrived six weeks ago, he has been gushing over the city. I finally realized why last week. He’s from Chicago and loves Minneapolis and it’s proximity to family in Chicago, so he’s used to a little cold weather for 3-4 months of the year.

Anyway, I wanted to post because I think this issue isn’t something trade-makers consider. MIN needs happy players, and if they are happy, right from the start, that’s a plus.

Trade Malik Beasley and Josh Okogie for Gary Trent Jr and Freddie Gillespie!

Tor is the team that I'd hope we consider dealing with (neither team probably makes move until Ben Simmons deal sorts itself out)...but nice contingency plan would be something potentially like:

Dal gets--Dragic...out--WCS & Powell

Tor gets--Beasley & Powell...out--Dragic & Boucher

Min gets--Boucher & WCS...out--Beasley

Think this could be viewed as a win-win-win for all 3...specifically, for Wolves...gives us additional needed length (both reasonably priced on expirings) albeit @ the cost of Beasley's shooting ability w/ the hope that Nowell can still be an adequate backfill for Beas as scorer off the bench or we go with an all defensive bench....so rotation probably falls something like:

PG--DLo/Bev/Lil Mac
SG--Ant/Okogie/Nowell
SF--Big Mac/Prince/Leo
PF--Boucher/V8/Layman
C--KAT/Naz/WCS

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[winforlose]

I wanted to take an opportunity here to discuss that acquiring the right players is an especially important factor for Minnesota, simply because they are Minnesota. Like probably 25 other teams, superstars aren’t signing in Minnesota as free agents. However, I think it is an even harder issue for MIN, since the city is portrayed nationally as inside the Arctic Circle, when it has a similar latitude to MIL, CHI, DET, TOR and BOS. Many national correspondents, particularly ESPN, generally ask a new Wolves player about the weather in the first three questions. For players who played high school, college, and pro ball in exclusively hot cities, there is often a lot of trepidation.

Strangely, and Smitty mentioned this on his Hoop Collective podcast a couple weeks ago, once new players get here, they seem to love the city (often much more than the actual team). It is very metropolitan, has terrific opportunities for families, top schools, and a beautiful city with lakes and trails.

For trade-makers, I think you add an extra dose of realism if you check on the background of players before sending them to MIN. For example, I was worried that Patrick Beverley would be frustrated to be traded to MIN. I was completely wrong. Ever since he arrived six weeks ago, he has been gushing over the city. I finally realized why last week. He’s from Chicago and loves Minneapolis and it’s proximity to family in Chicago, so he’s used to a little cold weather for 3-4 months of the year.

Anyway, I wanted to post because I think this issue isn’t something trade-makers consider. MIN needs happy players, and if they are happy, right from the start, that’s a plus.

Trade Malik Beasley and Josh Okogie for Gary Trent Jr and Freddie Gillespie!

Tor is the team that I'd hope we consider dealing with (neither team probably makes move until Ben Simmons deal sorts itself out)...but nice contingency plan would be something potentially like:

Dal gets--Dragic...out--WCS & Powell

Tor gets--Beasley & Powell...out--Dragic & Boucher

Min gets--Boucher & WCS...out--Beasley

Think this could be viewed as a win-win-win for all 3...specifically, for Wolves...gives us additional needed length (both reasonably priced on expirings) albeit @ the cost of Beasley's shooting ability w/ the hope that Nowell can still be an adequate backfill for Beas as scorer off the bench or we go with an all defensive bench....so rotation probably falls something like:

PG--DLo/Bev/Lil Mac
SG--Ant/Okogie/Nowell
SF--Big Mac/Prince/Leo
PF--Boucher/V8/Layman
C--KAT/Naz/WCS

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The way I see it Okogie and V8 cannot play together. MCD has been getting in a lot of foul trouble in the preseason and could continue that trend into the regular season. If that happens MCD could find himself the backup 4 and Vando starting. Also, I don’t like giving up Beasley unless we get a player under our control for at least 2 years or who will become an RFA with us.

One thing that could be interesting is the idea of us becoming a third or fourth team in a possible Porzingus trade. We have a lot of young talent and expiring contracts, both of which can be useful. It all depends on who is available and who actually wants KP.

[winforlose]

One other thought occurred to me. The Warriors are going to play almost half the season without Klay and when he does come back he will be heavily minute restricted. Beasley to GSW would be perfect for them, (especially in light of having lost Oubre Jr.) Meanwhile, they have Wiseman who doesn’t quite fit their timeline and whose size benefits us. We can talk about throw in players or maybe a protected pick, but what do people think of the general premise?

[Klomp]

One other thought occurred to me. The Warriors are going to play almost half the season without Klay and when he does come back he will be heavily minute restricted. Beasley to GSW would be perfect for them, (especially in light of having lost Oubre Jr.) Meanwhile, they have Wiseman who doesn’t quite fit their timeline and whose size benefits us. We can talk about throw in players or maybe a protected pick, but what do people think of the general premise?

Golden State would laugh at you.

I don't think Beasley is viewed in that light at this point. Honestly, I think there's a better chance of that type of trade with GSW getting Luke Kennard.