Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Sportfan73]

Maxey, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid
Curry, Thybulle, LeVert, Niang, Drummond
Springer, Joe, Milton, Korkmaz, Reed

I think that's a good fit and there are fewer weaknesses in this than any Philly team I've seen. Less star power but less weakness to take advantage of in a playoff series.

Pass on Indy and Minnesota players and picks. Shoot for the stars.

There are legitimately no stars to shoot for and probably less than a 50% chance that a team trading a star would have any interest in Ben as a returning piece

[Sportfan73]

If you seriously think Brogdon, Levert, and multiple picks is a bad package for Ben then he’s going to be here for 4 years not playing and we will absolutely not win a title with Joel.

[Negrodamus]

Brogdon has 27 right now. He's a must take because of this preseason game.

[sixers hoops]

Brogdon has 27 right now. He's a must take because of this preseason game.

If he drops 30, we throw in a first.

[kuclas]

If you seriously think Brogdon, Levert, and multiple picks is a bad package for Ben then he’s going to be here for 4 years not playing and we will absolutely not win a title with Joel.

We don’t even know if Indiana is even giving up levert. Their original offer was brodgon and likely a top 15 protected pick.

Who knows what rumors there are out there. Levert is kinda of a chucker/streaky player who gets injured a lot.

Brodgon is a good player. Unfortunately he’s injury prone.

At this point Morey just wants to see what the sixers have in terms of Milton and Maxey at the point

Maxey is still wild. Too many turnovers.

I do think Simmons will show up and do nothing. Go through the motions.

It’s just a game of chicken right now between Simmons/klutch sports and sixers organization.

While we all would like to move on. We just can make a rash decision trading for players we don’t think can help us win.

Assuming embiid can play 65 games. It’s safe to assume sixers will win at least 45-46 games. Maybe 5/6 seed in the east. If embiid can play 70 games. Sixers can get to 50-52 wins. Good enough for 3/4 seed.

So does having brodgon and levert get sixers any more wins while embiid is out?

[Lovetron Joe]

Brogdon has 27 right now. He's a must take because of this preseason game.

If he drops 30, we throw in a first.

Or a Frostee.

[spikeslovechild]

He was the best player in the deal.

In a deal that was entirely about draft capital. If Houston cared about the best player, they would have taken Morey's offer. They cared so much about Caris Levert that they didn't even take him in the deal.

Yeah I don't want to deconstruct that mess too much but even if you don't consider him the key piece of the Harden deal he was traded for Oli who at the time was considered a valuable piece.

If he can get back to that kind of value we win the trade easily in my opinion

[eyeatoma]

Maxey, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid
Curry, Thybulle, LeVert, Niang, Drummond
Springer, Joe, Milton, Korkmaz, Reed

I think that's a good fit and there are fewer weaknesses in this than any Philly team I've seen. Less star power but less weakness to take advantage of in a playoff series.

You heavily ignore the combined injury concerns of Jo, LeVert and Brogdon.

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[zimpy27]

Maxey, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid
Curry, Thybulle, LeVert, Niang, Drummond
Springer, Joe, Milton, Korkmaz, Reed

I think that's a good fit and there are fewer weaknesses in this than any Philly team I've seen. Less star power but less weakness to take advantage of in a playoff series.

You heavily ignore the combined injury concerns of Jo, LeVert and Brogdon.

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Well Brogdon and LeVert and Simmons are all from the same draft class.

Brogdon played 297 RS games
LeVert played 260 RS games
Simmons played 275 RS games

Brogdon has missed less games than Simmons. Simmons is closer to LeVert in games played.

LeVert did have that non-basketball issue reason for being out as well. Without that he doesn't look different from Simmons.

[the_process]

Brogdon and Levert are always hurt.

And this is a franchise that already has Embiid.

O/U on number of games (including playoffs) that all 3 of Embiid, Brogdon, and Levert are healthy - 37.5.

And I'm hitting the under hard.

Indy has no logical trade piece unless Sabonis is going to a 3rd team for a guard, and that guard is coming to Philly for Simmons.

If Levert and Brogdon were fully healthy you wouldn't get them in a trade for Simmons lets just be clear on that Levert when he thought he was healthy was the key piece in the Harden deal. Granted it was an awful trade but if you could easily package him later for an allstar that fits better if he proves himself to be healthy.

That is sort of the risk reward to the deal. Also I am less concerned about Brogdon health he had nagging injuries at the end that kept him out of some key games but nothing to the extent of Levert.

You value Brogdon and Levert far more than most people, then. Levert on a good day is like a poor man’s Jordan Clarkson. And Levert wasn’t the main piece in the Harden deal. The Rockets sent him to Indy for Oladipo, who they then turned around and traded to MIA. The Rockets took the Nets pupu platter because they didn’t want to deal with Morey.

[Negrodamus]

Maxey, Brogdon, Green, Harris, Embiid
Curry, Thybulle, LeVert, Niang, Drummond
Springer, Joe, Milton, Korkmaz, Reed

I think that's a good fit and there are fewer weaknesses in this than any Philly team I've seen. Less star power but less weakness to take advantage of in a playoff series.

You heavily ignore the combined injury concerns of Jo, LeVert and Brogdon.

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Well Brogdon and LeVert and Simmons are all from the same draft class.

Brogdon played 297 RS games
LeVert played 260 RS games
Simmons played 275 RS games

Brogdon has missed less games than Simmons. Simmons is closer to LeVert in games played.

LeVert did have that non-basketball issue reason for being out as well. Without that he doesn't look different from Simmons.

Not that I really have a dog in this fight, but all injuries are not created equal. Ben missed 82 games (possibly could have returned at the end of the year) due to a foot injury that has not affected him in any way since. He's been generally healthy since. I think he had a back injury and can't remember anything else. Brogdon seems to have soft tissue issues constantly throughout his career and LeVert seems to have perpetual issues with his feet.

[Sportfan73]

If you seriously think Brogdon, Levert, and multiple picks is a bad package for Ben then he’s going to be here for 4 years not playing and we will absolutely not win a title with Joel.

We don’t even know if Indiana is even giving up levert. Their original offer was brodgon and likely a top 15 protected pick.

Who knows what rumors there are out there. Levert is kinda of a chucker/streaky player who gets injured a lot.

Brodgon is a good player. Unfortunately he’s injury prone.

At this point Morey just wants to see what the sixers have in terms of Milton and Maxey at the point

Maxey is still wild. Too many turnovers.

I do think Simmons will show up and do nothing. Go through the motions.

It’s just a game of chicken right now between Simmons/klutch sports and sixers organization.

While we all would like to move on. We just can make a rash decision trading for players we don’t think can help us win.

Assuming embiid can play 65 games. It’s safe to assume sixers will win at least 45-46 games. Maybe 5/6 seed in the east. If embiid can play 70 games. Sixers can get to 50-52 wins. Good enough for 3/4 seed.

So does having brodgon and levert get sixers any more wins while embiid is out?

Right and that original offer wouldn’t have been enough but the “star hunting” crowd is getting kind of embarrassing to be honest. In the same way that people from other teams saying like Brogdon and a first is an overpay. Like why can’t we use these threads to talk about realistic deals that maybe are like what has been talked about plus 25-50 percent more value being drawn out by morey. Not a bunch of deals that would immediately get the opposing GM fired

[zimpy27]

You heavily ignore the combined injury concerns of Jo, LeVert and Brogdon.

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Well Brogdon and LeVert and Simmons are all from the same draft class.

Brogdon played 297 RS games
LeVert played 260 RS games
Simmons played 275 RS games

Brogdon has missed less games than Simmons. Simmons is closer to LeVert in games played.

LeVert did have that non-basketball issue reason for being out as well. Without that he doesn't look different from Simmons.

Not that I really have a dog in this fight, but all injuries are not created equal. Ben missed 82 games (possibly could have returned at the end of the year) due to a foot injury that has not affected him in any way since. He's been generally healthy since. I think he had a back injury and can't remember anything else. Brogdon seems to have soft tissue issues constantly throughout his career and LeVert seems to have perpetual issues with his feet.

Injuries happen when they happen. Chronic or re-occurring injuries matter though.

[HotelVitale]

If you seriously think Brogdon, Levert, and multiple picks is a bad package for Ben then he’s going to be here for 4 years not playing and we will absolutely not win a title with Joel.

We don’t even know if Indiana is even giving up levert. Their original offer was brodgon and likely a top 15 protected pick.

Who knows what rumors there are out there. Levert is kinda of a chucker/streaky player who gets injured a lot.

Brodgon is a good player. Unfortunately he’s injury prone.

I've always found Brogdon solid but consistently overrated, from the Bucks on. He played his role alright on the Bucks but it was quite a limited role, and now in Indiana he puts up nice stats basically because they don't have anyone else to run the offense. They spam pn'r with him and he has the ball in his hands SO much and still can't do that much or impose his will, only gets what the defense gives him and ends up being one of the lower volume main initiators around. There's nothing wrong with him but I think folks think he's something more than he is--has the ball enough to be Westbrook or Luka and still just ends up with sub-Tobias level volume.

(Definitely wouldn't hate him on the squad though.)

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I still say that you take the friggin risk! We're going to realize really quick just how bad we are without a point guard to run this offense. Embiid will have us on his back and he's going to get burned out really quick. If there's no flow to this offense, we're going to look very similar to the 2020 team that was swept by Boston. I'm sorry to say, but that's what we're looking at without Ben Simmons. I want Ben Simmons gone as much as anyone else. I can't wait for him to be traded. Regardless of when or if or how he's traded, we have to obtain a point guard to help smooth things out on offense. That point guard can be a journeyman for all I care. It can be Darren Collison, we just need someone. What's Ricky Green doing these days? I remember one year he replaced Johnny Dawkins. We're not going to the finals this year, but if we want to compete, have a fun year, and make the playoffs, we're going to need a distributor on the floor. Right now we have nothing. The sooner we trade Ben the better. I just hope a point guard of some sort is included in the return that we get for him. In the meantime if we're going to continue this pissing match, then we should be looking at a veteran to add. Corey Joseph, Tyus Jones, DJ Augustin i'm sure can all be obtained for very little in return.

[stormi]

Morey's getting paid the big bucks to play hardball and fight for the deals other GM's would give up on. Title window slams shut with a Brogdon/Levert/Harris/Embiid big 4. Let's drag this out some more.

[Mik317]

Brogdon has degenerative knees. Its why is dropped in the draft IIRC.

LeVert gets hurt every single season.

People cry about Embiid but he;s a giant and often plays wrecklessly. These guys are half his size and are finesse players....

Its a big risk.

(still might do it tho lol)

[UnFadeable21]

Brogdan with 27-5-3

He’s a mid range killer. He would fit nicely with Embiid.

[Sportfan73]

Morey's getting paid the big bucks to play hardball and fight for the deals other GM's would give up on. Title window slams shut with a Brogdon/Levert/Harris/Embiid big 4. Let's drag this out some more.

It’s just not happening we’re not getting a star for him

[stormi]

Morey's getting paid the big bucks to play hardball and fight for the deals other GM's would give up on. Title window slams shut with a Brogdon/Levert/Harris/Embiid big 4. Let's drag this out some more.

It’s just not happening we’re not getting a star for him

Defeatist mentality. Couldn't be Morey, or I.