Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[jscott]

SGA is 23 and locked up for 6 years. Just had an incredibly efficient breakout season. Harden was disgruntled, locked up for 2 years, and 31

Presti tried to trade SGA on draft night.

…for?

…and is Simmons worth anything to close whatever OKC was “rumored” to be after?

You’re not getting SGA btw.

[Kobblehead]

SGA is 23 and locked up for 6 years. Just had an incredibly efficient breakout season. Harden was disgruntled, locked up for 2 years, and 31

Presti tried to trade SGA on draft night.

…for?

…and is Simmons worth anything to close whatever OKC was “rumored” to be after?

You’re not getting SGA btw.

What number do you think Anthony Edwards should wear once he gets traded to the Sixers?

[zaz102]

Doesn’t seem like any of the 4-5 teams who have interest in Simmons are willing to move anyone critical from their team. Not sure how that’s going to change. I mean, he’s gonna just sit. How long can they afford no production from 30-35m in cap? Do you think this stretches to the deadline? Do you think his value will somehow be higher by then?

I feel the longer this goes the lower his value gets and by some crazy chance it somehow gets into another offseason he’ll be an extremely negative contract. Not sure how long PHI can afford to string this out frankly. It’ll be interesting to follow.

Ultimately, I’m not saying the Wolves will have the 6ers preferred offer for Ben. Not trying to convince you of that because what would that accomplish? I’m saying that, as someone who follows that team closely, there is no way they’ll offer Edwards.

You don't know anything sorry. Noone here cares what Wolves fans think their team will do and watching the wolves on TV doesn't give you any additional insight into what the Wolves will do.

If you want to approach this from the standpoint this is what I believe the Wolves should do then Sixers fan can have a discussion with you but if you want to come here pretending having sort of magical insight into the FO thinking because you follow the team "closely" get out of here with that garbage.

Umm, you do realize that’s the entire point of this forum, right?

I like to read the forums for realistic options. But I think a lot of discussion has gone off the rails.

The best sense I can get is that the Sixers understand that they have to get a star (or the assets necessar for one) for Simmons or they have no chance at a championship. And that no team is willing to pay that right now.

No offense to Edwards, but unless they think he's going to help fetch them Dame or Beal in the future, he doesn't fit their timeline. Trading their second best player for a developing player is not their target as long as Embiid is in his prime.

[Kobblehead]

Umm, you do realize that’s the entire point of this forum, right?

Not sure going onto another team's forum and telling their fans what they can't get for Simmons is productive.

[Stanford]

Umm, you do realize that’s the entire point of this forum, right?

How does this statement grant you the knowledge you claim to have?

What a dumb thing to say.

[stormi]

I'd want an add on along with Edwards for Simmons. He's not that guy. Shai is.

[kuclas]

Simmons is gonna to show up before games start. It’s unprecedented a player with 4 years super max (or even max) hold out. Now what he does when he shows up. I have no clue. Probably fake a minor injury. Load management until trade deadline. Out with mysterious illness like fultz. This will get weird.

Due to Simmons mental weakness. I just can’t see him coming back with all the boos.

At least that’s what other teams are counting on.

I don’t see okc trading sga. But can see them holding out sga due to minor injuries in their effort to tank more. Presti knows he need a top 3 pick. Last year okc screwed up and should have been tanking earlier like Houston and Houston. Whole teams tank. Players and coaches don’t tank. And they won a few games they didn’t mean to win and it cost them big time moving back to 6 in the draft.

Houston pick didn’t convey.

[Negrodamus]

I'd want an add on along with Edwards for Simmons. He's not that guy. Shai is.

"You won't belieeeve what the Sixers fans are asking for Simmons on their board! Completely delusional!"

[Rastas]

7 or 12
That's the magic numbers being considered.

[Black Mage]

He’s a massive Sixers fan & I somehow doubt that he’s on the Klutch payroll

That was still a weird 3 minutes, avoiding taking any stance but seemed to be taking a really passionate one. He's an entertainer so guess he doesn't usually have to make sense but it's still weird that someone confidently says stuff like 'Simmons is good! he didn't win in the playoffs, sure. It's hard to be all-star! Philly's tough.' as though that's a take on the topic. Simmons is a max-contract all-star guy who thinks he's a great player, and he just averaged 10/6/8 and 11/7/5 in his team's last two closeout playoff series, despite the team desperately needing offensive production. It's not like Simmons played great but didn't shoot 3s, or like he played okay and the team lost so he's catching heat. He had an extremely strange flameout and seems incapable of even acknowledging it happened, there's a lot to unpack there and talk about but 'he's talented, he's a star!' isn't getting us there.

If he knows Simmons he's not gonna go on some random podcast and flame the guy.

I call BS on Kevin Hart being a "massive Sixers fan". Guy is too busy.

As we know from his love life, his eyes wander every second.

[Bum Adebayo]

The problem is that most sixers fans want a star for Ben Simmons, but he himself is not a star, maybe a regular season star but that's it.

[jscott]

Umm, you do realize that’s the entire point of this forum, right?

How does this statement grant you the knowledge you claim to have?

What a dumb thing to say.

You mean to say that, as a fan of a team I follow, I can’t say that I’ve read from 6-8 different credible Wolves reporters that Ant is untouchable?

Now that’s a dumb thing to say.

[Stanford]

You mean to say that, as a fan of a team I follow, I can’t say that I’ve read from 6-8 different credible Wolves reporters that Ant is untouchable?

You can say whatever you want.

We're all annoyed by your posts declaring x and y when you don't know anything. We don't care what the Wolves front office has fed to reporters. The Sixers front office insists they want Ben Simmons back.

[Kobblehead]

The only report that said anything about Edwards being untouchable was the one about Rosas telling teams he was. Rosas is gone, ya know.

[Black Mage]

I can get with the idea of a younger player that shows potential. It just doesn't feel realistic right now.

I have Edwards valued similarly to SGA. Fox should be gettable though. That trade works for both. Just feels like Sacramento aren't keen because Fox loves it there.

Minnesota caving and offering Edwards plus filler for Simmons, then turning around and shipping Edwards (and Maxey if you must) to OKC for Shai would be absolute best case scenario.

Minnesota isn’t giving up Edwards. They’d move KAT first.

Sounds good to me. Then we flip Tobias to Cavs for Sexton and KLove

Sexton/Maxey
Curry/Milton
Green/Thybulle
KAT/KLove
Embiid/Drummond

Unite Embiid with all of his most trash talked foils! Love it!

[Black Mage]

Spoiler:

Out of curiosity - how would Philly fans value Embiids contract going forward.
21/22 - $31.6m
22/23 - $33.6m
23/24 - $43.7m
24/25 - $47.2m
25/26 - $50.7m
26/27 - $54.2m
Good / Even / Negative value.
Are any worried it may become a huge Untradeable Ball n Chain in a year or 2.
I post this as I read some here claim Joel may ask for a trade next season if things go south - however I personally think in another 12 months that contract is going to be supa hard to move.

If he has a career threatening injury sure. If he does his usual 65 games a year. He will demand a kings ransom.

But Joel has never had a 65 game season.
Just feels like a lot of fingers crossed for a long time situation to me.

Ask me how it feels to have a an actual legitimate Top 3 best player in the league on my team? I can't even tell you how much value I put on that considering that Philadelphia almost never ever has a Top 3 in the league type player on any of its 4 teams.

And hey, if Embiid gets hurt then just sit Ben for the rest of his contract and never trade him and we stealth tank with 70 million in tied up salaries for the next 4 years.

[GutUNC]

Injuries happen when they happen. Chronic or re-occurring injuries matter though.

Including Simmons redshirt year in those numbers is intellectually dishonest and I think you know that.

There is absolutely no question who on that list is injury prone and who isn't.

I was trying to make a point though. These guys have had injuries happen randomly and to call people injury prone when it's not connected to the same place is a mistake.

I see 3 guys who have had random injuries at different points in their career that have all balanced out to have missed a similar number of games. None of them have reoccurring or chronic injuries in the same place.

Based on that logic, Joel Embiid also can't be called injury prone. Except that...he definitely is and I would have to create a gigantic strawman if I were to make that point.

[GutUNC]

Maybe, maybe not.

Regardless, it’s there to illustrate how untouchable Edwards is for the Wolves.

Then the wolves shouldn't bother asking for Ben unless they can get a third team in, because the rest they have to offer makes zero sense for Philly.

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Doesn’t seem like any of the 4-5 teams who have interest in Simmons are willing to move anyone critical from their team. Not sure how that’s going to change. I mean, he’s gonna just sit. How long can they afford no production from 30-35m in cap? Do you think this stretches to the deadline? Do you think his value will somehow be higher by then?

I feel the longer this goes the lower his value gets and by some crazy chance it somehow gets into another offseason he’ll be an extremely negative contract. Not sure how long PHI can afford to string this out frankly. It’ll be interesting to follow.

Ultimately, I’m not saying the Wolves will have the 6ers preferred offer for Ben. Not trying to convince you of that because what would that accomplish? I’m saying that, as someone who follows that team closely, there is no way they’ll offer Edwards.

It changes when the season starts, some teams don't get off to the start's they want and December rolls around and more players become eligible to be traded.

The crap offers that are supposedly out there now will still be around in December - no reason to rush into a bad deal now. And his value is what it is at this point, it's not getting lower (or higher) with literally nothing happening.

[zaz102]

The problem is that most sixers fans want a star for Ben Simmons, but he himself is not a star, maybe a regular season star but that's it.

It's not just Sixers fans, it's the FO as well (about wanting a star). Most likely they are holding out for a situation to turn sour and without Simmons (or a good asset haul in return for Simmons) they have no shot.

It doesn't really matter if either of us think if he's a star or not, if they don't get that return, the team will most likely be on the decline to mediocrity or until Embiid asks out.

Clearly no team right now want to trade anything like that now (and maybe they won't), but it does seem that multiple situations go sour every year and there are a few that are heading that direction now that we know of so I get the logic of waiting it out.

[HotelVitale]

You mean to say that, as a fan of a team I follow, I can’t say that I’ve read from 6-8 different credible Wolves reporters that Ant is untouchable?

You can say whatever you want. We're all annoyed by your posts declaring x and y when you don't know anything. We don't care what the Wolves front office has fed to reporters. The Sixers front office insists they want Ben Simmons back.

True but I think it's safe to assume Edwards isn't available for Simmons for now. Maybe if he starts off horribly and the Wolves look broken and start to panic about KAT being content, but there's way too much potential there to risk for someone with Simmons' warts (and $). The strategic argument for Simmons just seems far less convincing at the moment than the one for keeping Edwards, and while it's true we don't know what FOs are thinking this seems a clear enough case that we can assume there's not a lot of openness to that proposition.