Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Stanford]

Legacy Death & Taxes is the GOAT best deck, so much fun to play.

Play me in Arena

[zaz102]

Can provide proof of the Draft board thoroughly outperforming NBA Scouts? That's really hard to believe.

Unless you mean one person was right about one guy, somebody else was right about another, etc. without a real concensus.

Or is there a particular person who is really good at picking. Genuinely interested as I haven't really noticed this in the past.

NBA draft board means collective. Some good some bad but the read is very thorough and fine combed much more than anywhere else on this forum besides player comps board.

These are two that are by far the best on info not close. The posters on there do one heck of a great job

Off the top of my head:

1. Bang on the mark with Ben (that thread is unbelievably precise on the evaluation).

2. Jalen Green

3. Cade and his concerns

4. Shai love was very very high before draft rankings were even close to his range and got it wrong.

5. MPJ/Jalen Johnson

6. Luka (huge mishap).

7. Emoni Bates. Watch it change frequency because of what is stalling point is this year. Watch for it in due time

8. Sengun

Don’t take it from me go see for yourself and use your own judgement on it.

Cloning was really hard to believe but it happened yonks ago lol (okay extreme example).

The hive mind so to speak in both sectors just have better quality of threads. You’ll learn abit if you go in with open discourse.

Half of these guys haven't even played a minute in the league yet what are you talking about.

I get that there are some good posters on the draft board and am glad you enjoy it but if you take all that to mean you can be certain on what a team should do with the 28th pick in the draft you have completely missed the mark.

There's also just an incredible amount of confirmation bias and circular logic going on here. Just because you "don't have time" for role players like Korkmaz or Thybulle because you don't like their games that doesn't mean you are right. There are plenty of people around the league that if you did a redraft of those drafts would take those guys where they were taken if not higher. Likewise if you overvalue shot creation or whatever this is based on (please don't explain it) and then say in retrospect say you are right because they showed those same skills in the pros it doesn't make you right.

Yeah, gonna have to color me skeptical. I did a quick search for a few older drafts and it looked like a crap shoot.

Could also be you remember someone being right about something specific, but completely wrong on other items, but those may be easily forgotten.

I'll look out for some type of pattern, but I don't know, I was hoping you could provide something a little more concrete so I could follow and learn something.

[sixers hoops]

i like starter deck yugi

I have an uno deck that is all draw fours… it’s not as awesome as it sounds tho.

[Murray_17]

I mean I understand you have problems not listening to what I have said about putting statements that I’ve never claimed. Literally three times in quick succession. You must get that a lot in real life

Okay if that’s your view then so be it. The NBA GM draft board on the whole is a better evaluator of talent then NBA Scouts on the whole. Then by saying that they are elite talent evaluators in your eyes.

Have a good day enjoy your life don’t want to talk to a person who doesn’t listen.

??????

For about the past five seasons the RealGM draft Board has thoroughly outperformed NBA scouts on the whole.

With way less resources they are very measured a fine-combed over there. They also pickup prospects on higher on the draft order long before media catches wind of it and yet still prospects get over/underdrafted come draft day.

Luka was always 1 that draft started at 2 (Trae).

Shai was the camel that broke the camels back for me. Murphy III just well and truly sealed it.

I trust my own judgement and some others here. They put the time in and actually use logic.

Look at mine and others lists of prospects this year. They are a flying out the wazoo.

I must live in Bizarrro world......

[DCasey91]

Can provide proof of the Draft board thoroughly outperforming NBA Scouts? That's really hard to believe.

Unless you mean one person was right about one guy, somebody else was right about another, etc. without a real concensus.

Or is there a particular person who is really good at picking. Genuinely interested as I haven't really noticed this in the past.

NBA draft board means collective. Some good some bad but the read is very thorough and fine combed much more than anywhere else on this forum besides player comps board.

These are two that are by far the best on info not close. The posters on there do one heck of a great job

Off the top of my head:

1. Bang on the mark with Ben (that thread is unbelievably precise on the evaluation).

2. Jalen Green

3. Cade and his concerns

4. Shai love was very very high before draft rankings were even close to his range and got it wrong.

5. MPJ/Jalen Johnson

6. Luka (huge mishap).

7. Emoni Bates. Watch it change frequency because of what is stalling point is this year. Watch for it in due time

8. Sengun

Don’t take it from me go see for yourself and use your own judgement on it.

Cloning was really hard to believe but it happened yonks ago lol (okay extreme example).

The hive mind so to speak in both sectors just have better quality of threads. You’ll learn abit if you go in with open discourse.

Half of these guys haven't even played a minute in the league yet what are you talking about.

I get that there are some good posters on the draft board and am glad you enjoy it but if you take all that to mean you can be certain on what a team should do with the 28th pick in the draft you have completely missed the mark.

There's also just an incredible amount of confirmation bias and circular logic going on here. Just because you "don't have time" for role players like Korkmaz or Thybulle because you don't like their games that doesn't mean you are right. There are plenty of people around the league that if you did a redraft of those drafts would take those guys where they were taken if not higher. Likewise if you overvalue shot creation or whatever this is based on (please don't explain it) and then say in retrospect say you are right because they showed those same skills in the pros it doesn't make you right.

I just outlined why Butler, Ayo, Cooper would be better a pick for us than Springer, bookmark it if you want.

Once again I outlined it why this is. Playoff rotation has a strict number so choose wisely. Don’t like positional locked players, one dimensional, low ceiling, low play etc etc. 9-12 that’s it all that you can work with. If you can’t see why this is a problem on overdrafting these prospects consistently as we have done over the duration sorry I can’t explain it any better.

It’s not about where a player goes in a redraft it’s about getting this list to max out your best player which is Embiid. The structure should all fall under that.

Earlier I alluded to Allen. I don’t just pick a player out of nowhere it because I have Embiid in mind.

Springer needs years of development the timeline is wrong.

It’s a disservice we don’t have a All star level backcourt player or even a NBA standard backcourt rotation for that matter it’s malpractice.

I’m not trying to be right that you have stated twice I’m trying to make the best decision possible given what what we need and addressing the problem as best as I can.

What is right to you? If I say we should get player X and player X would be good for us and has a good year playing somewhere else. And posters here say he’d be good for us then what is the problem on being right?

It’s not like others have posted what players they would prefer

At the end of the day we have one guard that just finished his rookie campaign in 5 years of drafting. Is it or is not beyond a miss or am I missing something here?

Confirmation Bias? Luka going at 3? Shai not picked up when the Draft Board not me rated him higher? MPJ/JJ, Cooper going so late? drafting Smith and not working out? Thybulle? Bridges not playing for us?

The evidence comes first before I make the decision not the other way around.

[DCasey91]

Legacy Death & Taxes is the GOAT best deck, so much fun to play.

Play me in Arena

Got physical only .

Know Tapped Out?

[Stanford]

[DCasey91]

NBA draft board means collective. Some good some bad but the read is very thorough and fine combed much more than anywhere else on this forum besides player comps board.

These are two that are by far the best on info not close. The posters on there do one heck of a great job

Off the top of my head:

1. Bang on the mark with Ben (that thread is unbelievably precise on the evaluation).

2. Jalen Green

3. Cade and his concerns

4. Shai love was very very high before draft rankings were even close to his range and got it wrong.

5. MPJ/Jalen Johnson

6. Luka (huge mishap).

7. Emoni Bates. Watch it change frequency because of what is stalling point is this year. Watch for it in due time

8. Sengun

Don’t take it from me go see for yourself and use your own judgement on it.

Cloning was really hard to believe but it happened yonks ago lol (okay extreme example).

The hive mind so to speak in both sectors just have better quality of threads. You’ll learn abit if you go in with open discourse.

Half of these guys haven't even played a minute in the league yet what are you talking about.

I get that there are some good posters on the draft board and am glad you enjoy it but if you take all that to mean you can be certain on what a team should do with the 28th pick in the draft you have completely missed the mark.

There's also just an incredible amount of confirmation bias and circular logic going on here. Just because you "don't have time" for role players like Korkmaz or Thybulle because you don't like their games that doesn't mean you are right. There are plenty of people around the league that if you did a redraft of those drafts would take those guys where they were taken if not higher. Likewise if you overvalue shot creation or whatever this is based on (please don't explain it) and then say in retrospect say you are right because they showed those same skills in the pros it doesn't make you right.

Yeah, gonna have to color me skeptical. I did a quick search for a few older drafts and it looked like a crap shoot.

Could also be you remember someone being right about something specific, but completely wrong on other items, but those may be easily forgotten.

I'll look out for some type of pattern, but I don't know, I was hoping you could provide something a little more concrete so I could follow and learn something.

Take the time to read through it. Really great stuff over there

[DCasey91]

Played Burn, Bro played equipment.... Mage Power can go F itself.

Also disliked but enjoyed playing pot of greed and graceful charity. Unbalanced card draw = quickest to setting up wins lol

Yugioh was so busted and op but that was what made it fun the brokenness of it.

[Stanford]

Played Burn, Bro played equipment.... Mage Power can go F itself.

Also disliked but enjoyed playing pot of greed and graceful charity. Unbalanced card draw = quickest to setting up wins lol

Yugioh was so busted and op but that was what made it fun the brokenness of it.

My friends and I used the tournament ban list. I mostly played a fiend deck inspired by Yami Bakura w/Dark Necrofear shenanigans. So much flavor.

No one in my circles could ever get burn to work consistently.

[Tomjas]

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Leveraged investments

Where’s Tomjas saying Ben is loaded?

Why would he keep homes in a city where he doesn’t live?

Lowry sold his house in Canada well before being traded

[DCasey91]

Played Burn, Bro played equipment.... Mage Power can go F itself.

Also disliked but enjoyed playing pot of greed and graceful charity. Unbalanced card draw = quickest to setting up wins lol

Yugioh was so busted and op but that was what made it fun the brokenness of it.

My friends and I used the tournament ban list. I mostly played a fiend deck inspired by Yami Bakura w/Dark Necrofear shenanigans. So much flavor.

No one in my circles could ever get burn to work consistently.

Yeah Burn was okay at 4000LP but gets outclassed very very quickly, more like counter/control/burn + 1 finisher. Straight burn was bad lol

Necro was lit! So much you can do with that card

Bro had Maha Vailo’s a stack of compounding equipment with board wipes/kills and counter/draw play it got out of control so quickly lol

Man Yugioh for a time was awesome to play.

[Negrodamus]

Wait, the NBA draft forum on RealGM? That is the most erratic and unusable draft resource I’ve come across. It’s just posters being dicks to each other about “how much more they know”. I’ve avoided that place like the plague.

[Stanford]

Yeah Burn was okay at 4000LP

Burn would be super OP at 4000LP.

Bro had Maha Vailo’s a stack of compounding equipment with board wipes/kills and counter/draw play it got out of control so quickly lol

The meta in my town was to run a **** ton of hard removal so things like Maha Vailo that put a stack of resources on one card would be no good.

Yugi's deck was straight trash tho. Who was sacking two for gaia the fierce knight? trash

[DCasey91]

Yeah Burn was okay at 4000LP

Burn would be super OP at 4000LP.

Bro had Maha Vailo’s a stack of compounding equipment with board wipes/kills and counter/draw play it got out of control so quickly lol

The meta in my town was to run a **** ton of hard removal so things like Maha Vailo that put a stack of resources on one card would be no good.

Yugi's deck was straight trash tho. Who was sacking two for gaia the fierce knight? trash

We played a long time ago it was very good but needed other stuff to keep it going, thankfully card draw was super busted (same with the equip deck or any deck basically).
But yeah 4000 LP wasn’t a lot to play with

Basically your were dead on board by turn two pretty consistently with Maha + 2 Mage Power + protection.

Some dude had an amazing deck and he was the best player in our group. Lot of play and was super fun to pilot.

Haha Yugis deck was arse lol but he draws like a god always in the anime.

Dammit now I want to build a Jinzo (fav card ever) deck just cause

[Stanford]

Yeah Jinzo rules. Was so pumped when it was released as a promo card so I could actually afford one.

[DCasey91]

Yeah Jinzo rules. Was so pumped when it was released as a promo card so I could actually afford one.

Mad artwork!

Screw the MC and Plot armor, the guy with the Jinzo deck in the challenge series should have smoked Yugi lol.

What do you play in mtg?

(Who cares about Ben lol)

[Stanford]

What do you play in mtg?

I'm pretty casual. All the paper decks I own are out of rotation standard decks from years ago.

I just play limited and standard net decks on Arena.

[PhillyFan11]

I still see the Kings as the likeliest fit. Bagley and Hield work perfectly $ wise and just a matter of how many picks/swaps we can get as well. And from there it’s what 3rd team with a legit PG/combo guard we can get involved for Bagley,Shake, and a Sac 1st(possibly more)- Rozier?, Derick White?, Sexton+Osman(for $)…any of those seem realistic? Any other suggestions?

[sixers hoops]

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Leveraged investments

Where’s Tomjas saying Ben is loaded?

Why would he keep homes in a city where he doesn’t live?

Lowry sold his house in Canada well before being traded

It’s pretty common to sell the house once you’re set on leaving. I doubt Ben was so desperate for cash that he thought he had to sell his house. He has a contract for $35 million this year, and he is likely to show up and earn almost all of it, minus any fines. He has already made well over $50 million, and despite his extravagant lifestyle, I don’t think he is in a position to sell his house because he is hemorrhaging money. I have no knowledge of his financial situation, but it makes strategic sense that he is selling the house in the city he is trying to alienate, and an organization he is determined to part ways with.