PG: Pistons vs Knicks

[thebuzzardman]

Not a max player. Not a legit 1st or 2nd option on a contender. Write it down if you like. I ain’t gonna be wrong lol

Shamm planting that flag!

[TheGreenArrow]

this green arrow....he's a good guy. always said it.

“The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever”

Just trying to spread love my man!!!!!!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

Taj Gibson 30 minutes in a pre-season game. The clownshow rolls on from our delusional cokehead coach.

Noel and Mitch were not available and Sims was not all that so who are you playing at C instead?

I suspect he wanted the Peruvian Snuffleupagus to play Obi at C.

I just don't see Thibs a Bolivian Marching Powder guy in the way of Quinn Snyder.

[TheGreenArrow]

Not a max player. Not a legit 1st or 2nd option on a contender. Write it down if you like. I ain’t gonna be wrong lol

Shamm planting that flag!

“He who rides the middle of the road gets hit from both ends.”

Hopefully shams is on the right side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[3toheadmelo]

Last year between 10 feet and the 3pt line:

SGA took 80 shots and made 35%

RJ took 169 shots and made 34.9%

They are basically exactly the same from that range

idk what stat you’re using there but I’m pretty sure RJ didn’t take 169 mid range shots at most it’s 20 for the whole year

I took RJ’s and Shai’s shot profile from basketball-reference and combined 10 to <16 and 16< to 3pt line.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/shooting.fcgi?player_id=barrerj01&year_id=2021

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilgesh01/shooting/2021

Like I said it’s basically the same

those attempts are off. but lets look at 2nd year SGA compared to 2nd year RJ


SGA mid range: 138 attempts with a 47.8% FG
RJ mid range: 128 attempts with a 35.9% FG

SGA Step Back Jumper: 97 attempts with a 45.4% FG
RJ Step Back jumper: 27 attempts with a 25.9% FG

quite the massive difference in FG% in mid range and step back jumpers. SGA's attempts in the midrange are reduced this year for sure, but this man has became an iso threat at the 3 point line. he took his mid range and extended it. RJ doesnt have those skills and handles. maybe he will one day. or not

[thebuzzardman]

i understand. we all want to draft a home grown talent that becomes one of the best players in the league. what could be better. but wishing it won't make it happen. if it could, Mitch would get those charges dropped for getting rimmed on the a train.

now apply this to mitch

Was this correct?

[DaGawd]

Listen Rj will never be a star!!!!!!

He’s just too stiff, stiffer than a cardboard box, doesn’t have any elite skills and has 0 athleticism!!!!!!!!

And that’s ok!!!!!!

He’s going to be a very good role player!!!!!!!!!

He’s a vital piece of our core going forward!!!!!!!

no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He might be right!!!!!!

[god shammgod]

i understand. we all want to draft a home grown talent that becomes one of the best players in the league. what could be better. but wishing it won't make it happen. if it could, Mitch would get those charges dropped for getting rimmed on the a train.

now apply this to mitch

Was this correct?

yes, wingo is a public fornicator with himself.

[K_ick_God]

That RJ needs to be a legit #1 or #2 option in order to be good is the part I would disagree with. In all likelyhood he may never be that good, although you never know. If he's a good #3 guy that can be very valuable and could make a big difference.

This obviously. I'd go a little step further and say a guy who won't try to be 1 or 2 but will play D and be solid at 3 or 4 is better than some legitimate 1s and 2s but guys who may be a little shot happy or just not mentally tough ... or have some fatal flaws like turnovers or jumpers that you can take away.

So far I'd say I'm still leaning toward thinking Randle is such a guy but hope to be wrong and have grown to like him and be excited by him. However, he's the same guy who was clapping up somebody a couple of months ago for fake fighting the Hawks as his game unraveled. That was a bad look.

It's not just Randle. As a lot of you know I am generally skeptical of guys the media shoves down our throats as 1s and 2s and big stars. I hope Zion comes to play with RJ but he has as many questions for me as a 1 or 2 as RJ has in his role as a 2-way 3 or 4.

That said, I was wrong about Antetokounmpo and so was sham.

[K_ick_God]

idk what stat you’re using there but I’m pretty sure RJ didn’t take 169 mid range shots at most it’s 20 for the whole year

I took RJ’s and Shai’s shot profile from basketball-reference and combined 10 to <16 and 16< to 3pt line.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/shooting.fcgi?player_id=barrerj01&year_id=2021

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilgesh01/shooting/2021

Like I said it’s basically the same

those attempts are off. but lets look at 2nd year SGA compared to 2nd year RJ


SGA mid range: 138 attempts with a 47.8% FG
RJ mid range: 128 attempts with a 35.9% FG

SGA Step Back Jumper: 97 attempts with a 45.4% FG
RJ Step Back jumper: 27 attempts with a 25.9% FG

quite the massive difference in FG% in mid range and step back jumpers. SGA's attempts in the midrange are reduced this year for sure, but this man has became an iso threat at the 3 point line. he took his mid range and extended it. RJ doesnt have those skills and handles. maybe he will one day. or not

Nothing very unfair here but I think when it comes to RJ you're a little in your draft predictions mode over the reality of the situation. He grew a lot last year, you didn't see him hitting 40% of his 3s in his second year. He has intangibles and some things, he just doesn't score easily.

It's not 100% fair to say that it's just a "just" that someone doesn't score easily, it's important, but you are judging him almost entirely on that. And we are saying that there is more to winning basketball than that. And we're also saying he's still within range of becoming a good third scorer, which is actually not disappointing for a top 3 pick. The chance of Reddish or Hunter becoming legit third scorers is lower than RJ's, even if they both are a little more toolsy than him.

[HEZI]

If elf was finishing around the hoop at a 70% clip he’d still be here lol

But I don’t want Simmons

Watch on YouTube

;t=8s

70% finisher at the hoop right here folks

He wouldn't survive NYC, he would crumble just like he did in Philly. He is now trying to go to some low market team like Sacramento where he can hide from the spotlight

yes one lowlight VS a entire 4 seasons of being one of the best around the rim in the league lol

One lowlight yup you’ve never watched him play his entire career

[NoDopeOnSundays]

you're right but kawhi can score at the rim too. when the defense knows you're below average at the rim it's probably harder to open up your mid range

RJ shot 61% at the rim last year, I understand he has ugly misses and games where he can't make anything, but over the course of a season he's not a below average finisher at the rim. The point with Kawhi is that he's a 3 level scorer, and I'd rather see RJ work on the most difficult part of the three levels, which is the mid-range game. The finishing will get better over time, but too big deal is made out of it, for example Randle shot 65% at the rim last year.

where are you getting that stat, from what I see here he was 49.7% near the rim and that's below the league average of 58.5%

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/rj-barrett-shot-chart-2021

if you look at his other percentages in the paint they are all also far below league average, probably because he has no floater or anything

Statmuse is combing 3-10 ft with at rim, you can even look at the hex and see it's going almost to the foul line. This is specifically at the rim which is generally 0-3 ft of the rim.

[F N 11]

I would not touch Simmons. Thibs and this culture could fix him but im not gutting the team or trading within division, hard pass. The direction we going, we dont want 3 vs 5 in playoffs.

[NYKnickerbocker]

Watch on YouTube

;t=8s

70% finisher at the hoop right here folks

He wouldn't survive NYC, he would crumble just like he did in Philly. He is now trying to go to some low market team like Sacramento where he can hide from the spotlight

yes one lowlight VS a entire 4 seasons of being one of the best around the rim in the league lol

One lowlight yup you’ve never watched him play his entire career

your right, probably watched 10-15 Simmons games that didn’t include the Knicks. And in all those games he was pretty much automatic when he decided to attack the rim. Now he’s become timid especially lately. But when he decides to attack. He’s among the best in the league. There’s no refuting that.

[BugginOut]

idk what stat you’re using there but I’m pretty sure RJ didn’t take 169 mid range shots at most it’s 20 for the whole year

I took RJ’s and Shai’s shot profile from basketball-reference and combined 10 to <16 and 16< to 3pt line.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/shooting.fcgi?player_id=barrerj01&year_id=2021

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilgesh01/shooting/2021

Like I said it’s basically the same

those attempts are off. but lets look at 2nd year SGA compared to 2nd year RJ


SGA mid range: 138 attempts with a 47.8% FG
RJ mid range: 128 attempts with a 35.9% FG

SGA Step Back Jumper: 97 attempts with a 45.4% FG
RJ Step Back jumper: 27 attempts with a 25.9% FG

quite the massive difference in FG% in mid range and step back jumpers. SGA's attempts in the midrange are reduced this year for sure, but this man has became an iso threat at the 3 point line. he took his mid range and extended it. RJ doesnt have those skills and handles. maybe he will one day. or not

RJ doesn’t have to have a better mid range game than Shai. All I am saying is he can have a similar shot profile as current Shai and Harden and still be effective. This is specifically because the one thing RJ does do on an elite level is get to the rim.

If he could finish better and shoot pull up 3’s he is an automatic 23 PPG scorer. Then later in he career he can develop his mid range game. But, the most important thing right now he needs to improve is his finishing ability

[Clyde_Style]

Taj Gibson 30 minutes in a pre-season game. The clownshow rolls on from our delusional cokehead coach.

Noel and Mitch were not available and Sims was not all that so who are you playing at C instead?

I suspect he wanted the Peruvian Snuffleupagus to play Obi at C.

I just don't see Thibs a Bolivian Marching Powder guy in the way of Quinn Snyder.

Thibs has higher standards than a common coke habit. He eats raw thymus glands ripped out of the bodies of his vanquished foes.

[Meat]

Not a max player. Not a legit 1st or 2nd option on a contender. Write it down if you like. I ain’t gonna be wrong lol

who's a good 3rd string example? Parker or Manu? Pau with defense? kg or allen?

[Clyde_Style]

simmons is worth a lot more than rj. you'd have to do it even if you didn't plan to keep him.

If that were true the sixers would have found a bigger market for Simmons

If nobody will touch Kyrie now it is not quite as bad for Simmons but not by that much

You could find a dozen teams tomorrow that would be interesed in RJ

[Clyde_Style]

this green arrow....he's a good guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! always said it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[robillionaire]

just letting you all know how insufferable Sham will be if Mitch comes back and dominates

I hope that's what happens, he needs to build up that value before the deadline