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To Indiana
Ben Simmons
Shake Milton
To Philly
Caris Levert
Malcolm Brogdon
Collin Sexton
To Cleveland:
Tyrese Maxey
Jaden Springer
Indiana top 10 protected 1st
Philly 2025 1st
76ers get a big basket of perimeter defence, outside shooting, and playmaking. Everyone in the new starting lineup compliments Joel so well. This 10 man rotation is an improvement over last season. Embiid/Harris/Levert/Brogdon/Sexton Curry/Green/Thybulle/Furkan/Drummond
Cavs cash out on a guy they dont seem to want to keep. 2 1sts and a great guard prospect
Indiana goes for upside as they see themselves outside of contention. Sabonis and Simmons with Warren is a good start.
FOLLOW UP
To Indiana
Thad Young
Derrick White
To Golden State
Myles Turner
To San Antonio
Jeremy Lamb
Kevon Looney
James Wiseman
Golden State 1st round pick 2025 (lotto protected)
Pacers get a great guard fit next to Simmons and Sabonis. Thad is always a great vet to have
Warriors get a massive upgrade at the 5
The Spurs lean into the rebuild. They have a glut of guards in Keldon/Murray/Primo and Wiseman can develop in a no pressure situation.
Ben Simmons
Shake Milton
To Philly
Caris Levert
Malcolm Brogdon
Collin Sexton
To Cleveland:
Tyrese Maxey
Jaden Springer
Indiana top 10 protected 1st
Philly 2025 1st
76ers get a big basket of perimeter defence, outside shooting, and playmaking. Everyone in the new starting lineup compliments Joel so well. This 10 man rotation is an improvement over last season. Embiid/Harris/Levert/Brogdon/Sexton Curry/Green/Thybulle/Furkan/Drummond
Cavs cash out on a guy they dont seem to want to keep. 2 1sts and a great guard prospect
Indiana goes for upside as they see themselves outside of contention. Sabonis and Simmons with Warren is a good start.
FOLLOW UP
To Indiana
Thad Young
Derrick White
To Golden State
Myles Turner
To San Antonio
Jeremy Lamb
Kevon Looney
James Wiseman
Golden State 1st round pick 2025 (lotto protected)
Pacers get a great guard fit next to Simmons and Sabonis. Thad is always a great vet to have
Warriors get a massive upgrade at the 5
The Spurs lean into the rebuild. They have a glut of guards in Keldon/Murray/Primo and Wiseman can develop in a no pressure situation.
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The value is just plain awful for Philly. But let's put that aside, both Brogdon and Sexton will need new deals and the luxury tax bill that would create for an annual second round out is just astronomical.
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BullyKing wrote:The value is just plain awful for Philly. But let's put that aside, both Brogdon and Sexton will need new deals and the luxury tax bill that would create for an annual second round out is just astronomical.
I'm a Sexton guy. But man is this a lot of value being sent to Cleveland and for some reason almost all of it coming from Philly when the original Brogdon/LeVert/1st for Simmons package is already light.
Cleveland needs less for Sexton and all of that value needs to be coming from Indiana. Just to fix the immediate value. Then Sexton needs to agree to a reasonable extension as part of the trade to make the finances work.
And then LeVert needs to get sent elsewhere for a forward with some size/defense.
Lots of changes needed to make this work.
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BullyKing wrote:The value is just plain awful for Philly. But let's put that aside, both Brogdon and Sexton will need new deals and the luxury tax bill that would create for an annual second round out is just astronomical.
brogdon has 2 yrs left, so he wont need a new deal (right away)
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To Indiana
Thad Young
Derrick White
To Golden State
Myles Turner”
Indy would not consider this
To Indiana
Thad Young
Derrick White
To Golden State
Myles Turner”
Indy would not consider this
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Saul Goodman wrote:To Cleveland:
Tyrese Maxey
Jaden Springer
Indiana top 10 protected 1st
Philly 2025 1st
I'm not in favor of trading Sexton at all, but that's not a bad return tbh. I'd want a young wing instead of Maxey, we already have too many small guards.
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Not sure what Cavaliers is doing in this trade. Doesn't feel like Sexton is a good fit with Embiid
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I think Philly should keep Maxey or their first rounder. As is, CLE is getting a bit too much for Sexton.
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JJ_PR wrote:Saul Goodman wrote:To Cleveland:
Tyrese Maxey
Jaden Springer
Indiana top 10 protected 1st
Philly 2025 1st
I'm not in favor of trading Sexton at all, but that's not a bad return tbh. I'd want a young wing instead of Maxey, we already have too many small guards.
Not a bad return… or an excessive one ?
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HartfordWhalers wrote:JJ_PR wrote:Saul Goodman wrote:To Cleveland:
Tyrese Maxey
Jaden Springer
Indiana top 10 protected 1st
Philly 2025 1st
I'm not in favor of trading Sexton at all, but that's not a bad return tbh. I'd want a young wing instead of Maxey, we already have too many small guards.
Not a bad return… or an excessive one ?
I mean, Cleveland is getting more than their fair value, but only by a factor of one of those four pieces. Assuming they're all worth roughly a mid-to-late 1st. Let Philly keep Maxey if the salary math works out, or send some inconsequential salary instead.
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Sixers don’t have their 2025 1st, nor any interest in this deal.
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BullyKing wrote:The value is just plain awful for Philly. But let's put that aside, both Brogdon and Sexton will need new deals and the luxury tax bill that would create for an annual second round out is just astronomical.
You don’t think this isn’t win now move ? I mean that’s plan with brogdon and sexton right ?
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It’s hefty price for 76ers who are trying to win now . Giving up a maxey and shake who are two players who aren’t ready to win now is fine …
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Ballerhogger wrote:BullyKing wrote:The value is just plain awful for Philly. But let's put that aside, both Brogdon and Sexton will need new deals and the luxury tax bill that would create for an annual second round out is just astronomical.
You don’t think this isn’t win now move ? I mean that’s plan with brogdon and sexton right ?
It's a "win right now with a roster that's good enough and face financial ruin and limited youth if you don't right away" move.
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I'd be fine if Phili kept Maxi. I'd prefer Shake actually. I just don't know if the Cavs are going to trade a guy who averaged 24ppg and get little or nothing back in terms of win-now help.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:I'd be fine if Phili kept Maxi. I'd prefer Shake actually. I just don't know if the Cavs are going to trade a guy who averaged 24ppg and get little or nothing back in terms of win-now help.
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Shake's contract is kinda meh.
It is either 2 cheap years and then unrestricted, or you need to decline the cheap 4th year to get him to be restric ted at the same time the much better Sexton would be anyway.
Add in that Shake is a full 4 years older than Maxey, and I have Shake worth around 1/3 of what Maxey should be worth.
Which is not to say i don't get an argument for preferring Shake, he has a projectable bench scoring role, while Maxey has been a shooter first that hasn't shot great.
The other part I found interesting is the question, can/will Cleveland take a step back or will they directionally just wait on the youth they have, or maybe even move a little win now. From afar, I like long rebuilds and would personally be going that direction but the Nance trade showed it isn't so clear cut. I'm really curious how Cleveland balances that question as the season progresses.
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Overpay for Sexton. I'd just remove Cleveland from this bc the sixers need to get back a starting 3 who can guard the Kevin Durants and LeBrons etc. Instead send those firsts, prospects, and Danny Green to Sacramento for Harrison Barnes.
Now you're rolling with;
Brodgon/Maxey
Levert/Curry
Barnes/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Harris/Niang
Embiid/Drummond
Now you're rolling with;
Brodgon/Maxey
Levert/Curry
Barnes/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Harris/Niang
Embiid/Drummond
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We're both really curious, and I don't know that they've resolved that issue within the front office.HartfordWhalers wrote:jbk1234 wrote:I'd be fine if Phili kept Maxi. I'd prefer Shake actually. I just don't know if the Cavs are going to trade a guy who averaged 24ppg and get little or nothing back in terms of win-now help.
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Shake's contract is kinda meh.
It is either 2 cheap years and then unrestricted, or you need to decline the cheap 4th year to get him to be restric ted at the same time the much better Sexton would be anyway.
Add in that Shake is a full 4 years older than Maxey, and I have Shake worth around 1/3 of what Maxey should be worth.
Which is not to say i don't get an argument for preferring Shake, he has a projectable bench scoring role, while Maxey has been a shooter first that hasn't shot great.
The other part I found interesting is the question, can/will Cleveland take a step back or will they directionally just wait on the youth they have, or maybe even move a little win now. From afar, I like long rebuilds and would personally be going that direction but the Nance trade showed it isn't so clear cut. I'm really curious how Cleveland balances that question as the season progresses.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:We're both really curious, and I don't know that they've resolved that issue within the front office.HartfordWhalers wrote:jbk1234 wrote:I'd be fine if Phili kept Maxi. I'd prefer Shake actually. I just don't know if the Cavs are going to trade a guy who averaged 24ppg and get little or nothing back in terms of win-now help.
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The other part I found interesting is the question, can/will Cleveland take a step back or will they directionally just wait on the youth they have, or maybe even move a little win now. From afar, I like long rebuilds and would personally be going that direction but the Nance trade showed it isn't so clear cut. I'm really curious how Cleveland balances that question as the season progresses.
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I don't think that issue is going to be resolved until Love is removed from the picture. I just don't see a way that the team will move forward with Love on the roster. To me it is a bigger problem than whether Sexland can actually work, which I truly believe it wont, but I don't see a deal outside of a Simmons deal where Sexton and Love are dealt together. One problem at a time I guess.
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Love is coming off the bench for 10-15 mpg. He's under contract for this season and the next. If the Cavs were certain Sexton was worth the type of money he's looking for, or more importantly, that he could coexist with Garland, he'd already be extended. Love has nothing to do with it.gflem wrote:jbk1234 wrote:We're both really curious, and I don't know that they've resolved that issue within the front office.HartfordWhalers wrote:
The other part I found interesting is the question, can/will Cleveland take a step back or will they directionally just wait on the youth they have, or maybe even move a little win now. From afar, I like long rebuilds and would personally be going that direction but the Nance trade showed it isn't so clear cut. I'm really curious how Cleveland balances that question as the season progresses.
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I don't think that issue is going to be resolved until Love is removed from the picture. I just don't see a way that the team will move forward with Love on the roster. To me it is a bigger problem than whether Sexland can actually work, which I truly believe it wont, but I don't see a deal outside of a Simmons deal where Sexton and Love are dealt together. One problem at a time I guess.
The organization and the fanbase are reconciled with Love finishing his contract in Cleveland. It's fans of other teams who seem to feel a sense of urgency for the Cavs to move him.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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