If Push Came to Shove... (Irving Trade)

[MrDollarBills]

You are completely missing my enire argument. in a male/female comaprison you are bringing up race. literal apples to oranges.

To simplifit, dont tell me a mandate is about safety and fair and them leave out entire government positions and buildings. This is a political mandate, not a safety mandate.

If there are less people like Kyrie who refuse to vax up, we would not have this mandate.

Ok, but there are millions like him, so we need a mandate...

but a real one, not some fake political one that makes exceptions when it is up against a tough opponent. A real mandate would apply to cops, firefighters and all branches of government. a real mandate would exist for visitors, not just the home team...

or on the opposite side a real mandate would only apply to public buildings or those who deal with the public who are sick or can not be vaccinated and have guidelines for private entities.

this is just pick and choose your battles on politics. they rolled over for the cops but stuck it to teachers and nurses

Honestly, it doesn't bother me. If members of the NYPD want to be idiots and expose themselves to infection and death, they will reap what they sow. We know what kind of scum pollutes that police force so its no surprise they're a bunch of morons.

Meanwhile, Teachers and Nurses have to deal with so much, that the last thing that they need are to be around unvaccinated colleagues who are utterly selfish. My sister, who we've spoken out before, was absolutely relieved when her facility mandated vaccines because there were two nurses there that were complete idiots. One of them complied, the other got fired. Good riddance.

I agree with you on how stupid NYC is being regarding visiting athletes though. It should be 100% zero tolerance. No vaccine, no entry into a public building.

[MrDollarBills]

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WELP.

I don't think there will be any mandate lifting until certain metrics are met, nor will the SCOTUS overturn it.

Kyrie is not going to play this year unless he gets vaccinated.

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When you're being praised for being an open antivaxxer by a dude who beat a woman's face until it was nearly recognizable, or a politician who knew that young men at Ohio State were being raped and did nothing about it, you may need to rethink your position and ask yourself why some of the worst human beings in this country are coming to your defense.

[Gooner]

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WELP.

I don't think there will be any mandate lifting until certain metrics are met, nor will the SCOTUS overturn it.

Kyrie is not going to play this year unless he gets vaccinated.

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When you're being praised for being an open antivaxxer by a dude who beat a woman's face until it was nearly recognizable, or a politician who knew that young men at Ohio State were being raped and did nothing about it, you may need to rethink your position and ask yourself why some of the worst human beings in this country are coming to your defense.

Chris Brown's past actions don't have anything do do with this. Kyrie himself has a clean image, even though they make him the biggest bad guy in sports. He never had any legal troubles, never had any personal issues with teammates, he never attacked or harassed anybody. He had some issues with communication and leadership in the past, that's all. Don't attach anything like this to him just because he made a personal choice, it's disrespectful.

It wouldn't surprise me if he asked for a trade becasue he hasn't recieved any support or respect from the players, organization or fans. It's always just constant pressure on him to do something that he doesn't want to do with his own body and something he didnt' sign up for.

[3pt_chucker]

At this point there is no ambiguity left on why the vaccine is not a personal choice on multiple fronts. If Kyrie wants a trade then I'm glad because we can get something in return from him and move on from a clearly selfish player who will 100% do something similarly selfish in the future. (The greatest predictor of future actions is the past)

[NetsWorld]

Don't think the Nets pull the trigger on a Ky trade yet. I think they will wait until December/January, the smart thing to do; this way they can weigh where the team is at and what has to be done to improve the team. Don't know, but my gut now tells me Ky will be back and play for the Nets. At least he is staying in shape.

[MrDollarBills]

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WELP.

I don't think there will be any mandate lifting until certain metrics are met, nor will the SCOTUS overturn it.

Kyrie is not going to play this year unless he gets vaccinated.

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When you're being praised for being an open antivaxxer by a dude who beat a woman's face until it was nearly recognizable, or a politician who knew that young men at Ohio State were being raped and did nothing about it, you may need to rethink your position and ask yourself why some of the worst human beings in this country are coming to your defense.

Chris Brown's past actions don't have anything do do with this. Kyrie himself has a clean image, even though they make him the biggest bad guy in sports. He never had any legal troubles, never had any personal issues with teammates, he never attacked or harassed anybody. He had some issues with communication and leadership in the past, that's all. Don't attach anything like this to him just because he made a personal choice, it's disrespectful.

It wouldn't surprise me if he asked for a trade becasue he hasn't recieved any support or respect from the players, organization or fans. It's always just constant pressure on him to do something that he doesn't want to do with his own body and something he didnt' sign up for.

I wasn't comparing Kyrie to a piece of garbage like Chris Brown, I'm saying that it's very telling that guys who eat vaseline, beat women bloody, or look the other way when college kids are getting sexually abused are the ones coming to Kyrie's defense while his teammates remain quiet, or he is being lambasted for his selfishness by people like Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

And why should his teammates support him any more than they have? He's the one turning his back on them by not wanting to get vaccinated for their safety and his.

These guys have families that they have to go home to, so what one person does can impact the entire team. Kyrie doesn't give a damn about that. Why would anyone support someone who has so little regard for their safety, the safety of their coaches, and by extension, family members?

[Prokorov]

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WELP.

I don't think there will be any mandate lifting until certain metrics are met, nor will the SCOTUS overturn it.

Kyrie is not going to play this year unless he gets vaccinated.

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When you're being praised for being an open antivaxxer by a dude who beat a woman's face until it was nearly recognizable, or a politician who knew that young men at Ohio State were being raped and did nothing about it, you may need to rethink your position and ask yourself why some of the worst human beings in this country are coming to your defense.

I'm glad they didnt puss out vs. the cops. if its a real mandate (it should be) then it needs to include them all. We will see if it holds up, thats a strong union.

Deblasio could be out as mayor in 2 months. new prospective mayor already basically said he would make it so kyrie/athletes could play. there are alot of avenues for this to end sooner then later. obviously him getting vaxxed is the quixkest.

i wouldnt anticipate anything until thanksgiving at the earliest

[Prokorov]

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WELP.

I don't think there will be any mandate lifting until certain metrics are met, nor will the SCOTUS overturn it.

Kyrie is not going to play this year unless he gets vaccinated.

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When you're being praised for being an open antivaxxer by a dude who beat a woman's face until it was nearly recognizable, or a politician who knew that young men at Ohio State were being raped and did nothing about it, you may need to rethink your position and ask yourself why some of the worst human beings in this country are coming to your defense.

Chris Brown's past actions don't have anything do do with this. Kyrie himself has a clean image, even though they make him the biggest bad guy in sports. He never had any legal troubles, never had any personal issues with teammates, he never attacked or harassed anybody. He had some issues with communication and leadership in the past, that's all. Don't attach anything like this to him just because he made a personal choice, it's disrespectful.

I agree with this. Kyrie gets killed for breaking 0 laws and doing nothing to encourage others not to get vaccinated and is killed for it.

Others like beal actively spouting anti-vax stuff... or guys like paul george blackmailing and bribing strippers to get abortion while no paying child support or terrence davis domestive violence stuff.... they get nothing and its swept under the rug because they are still playing games like that makes them better teammates or something.

[Prokorov]

At this point there is no ambiguity left on why the vaccine is not a personal choice on multiple fronts. If Kyrie wants a trade then I'm glad because we can get something in return from him and move on from a clearly selfish player who will 100% do something similarly selfish in the future. (The greatest predictor of future actions is the past)

I think selfish is demding someone else make the choice you want so your team can win more sports games.

[MrDollarBills]

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WELP.

I don't think there will be any mandate lifting until certain metrics are met, nor will the SCOTUS overturn it.

Kyrie is not going to play this year unless he gets vaccinated.

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When you're being praised for being an open antivaxxer by a dude who beat a woman's face until it was nearly recognizable, or a politician who knew that young men at Ohio State were being raped and did nothing about it, you may need to rethink your position and ask yourself why some of the worst human beings in this country are coming to your defense.

I'm glad they didnt puss out vs. the cops. if its a real mandate (it should be) then it needs to include them all. We will see if it holds up, thats a strong union.

Deblasio could be out as mayor in 2 months. new prospective mayor already basically said he would make it so kyrie/athletes could play. there are alot of avenues for this to end sooner then later. obviously him getting vaxxed is the quixkest.

i wouldnt anticipate anything until thanksgiving at the earliest

Actually, Eric Adams seems more bullish on vaccine mandates than DeBlasio is based on what I heard from him two days ago, he's leaning towards requiring kids to be vaccinated to attend school.

https://abc7ny.com/nyc-mayor-election-vaccine-mandate/11140740/

Now I am not privy to his thoughts, but I don't think he's going to grant exemptions to Kyrie while cops, nurses, teachers, etc have to get vaccinated or they will have to sit home without pay. That's a really bad look that would face considerable backlash, as it should because Kyrie isn't deserving of special exemptions because he's a hooper.

In fact, I think the chances of NYC going a step further and banning athletes who are not vaccinated from playing in indoor venues is probably higher than Kyrie being allowed to play unvaccinated. If Barclays workers have to abide by public health and safety regulations, visiting athletes should be forced to do the same or stay home.

[MrDollarBills]

At this point there is no ambiguity left on why the vaccine is not a personal choice on multiple fronts. If Kyrie wants a trade then I'm glad because we can get something in return from him and move on from a clearly selfish player who will 100% do something similarly selfish in the future. (The greatest predictor of future actions is the past)

I think selfish is demding someone else make the choice you want so your team can win more sports games.

His teammates also have a say in this as well though. His behavior has an impact on all 17 guys plus coaches/staff and their families. It's not just an issue of, oh Kyrie isn't vaccinated so he's only going to hurt himself. That's not true. He would still be putting everyone around him at risk, as breakthroughs can happen as well as complications.

Look at Jaylen Brown. Dude had legit breathing problems while he was infected and he now has an inhaler just like Jason Tatum. Now I don't know if he's vaccinated or not, but still. You just never know 100% how this thing can impact you or someone who may be older or have a history of health problems. Colin Powell was fully vaxxed and died from Covid complications the other day because he had a previous history of blood related cancer issues. Now just imagine if Kyrie was allowed to play and practice, and he gets sick, spreads it, and someone connected to the team either via working for them or being a family member god forbid has complications?

That's why he is being called selfish. But, to his credit, he has quietly stayed away and has done what the Nets have asked him to do, so he at least gets that part right.

[Prokorov]

His teammates also have a say in this as well though. His behavior has an impact on all 17 guys plus coaches/staff and their families. It's not just an issue of, oh Kyrie isn't vaccinated so he's only going to hurt himself. That's not true. He would still be putting everyone around him at risk, as breakthroughs can happen as well as complications.

What risk?

the added risk for someone who is vaccinated to be introduced to an unvaccinated person who is tested multiple times, including prior to entering the facility, is contract traced, is required to mask up when not in drills, has to quarantine, is basically 0.

They are probably at higher risk of kyrie injuring them by crossing them over then some added risk of covid breakthrough.

Look im all for vaccinations. im all for the mandate. im all for the idea that many cant be vaccinated and we need to protect them. but the idea that Kyrie poses some huge threat to 16 other vaccinated guys while going through tons of safety protocols just isnt a thing.

These guys where at 100 times more risk last 2 years prior to the vaccine

[haosmoove]

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WELP.

I don't think there will be any mandate lifting until certain metrics are met, nor will the SCOTUS overturn it.

Kyrie is not going to play this year unless he gets vaccinated.

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When you're being praised for being an open antivaxxer by a dude who beat a woman's face until it was nearly recognizable, or a politician who knew that young men at Ohio State were being raped and did nothing about it, you may need to rethink your position and ask yourself why some of the worst human beings in this country are coming to your defense.

I'm glad they didnt puss out vs. the cops. if its a real mandate (it should be) then it needs to include them all. We will see if it holds up, thats a strong union.

Deblasio could be out as mayor in 2 months. new prospective mayor already basically said he would make it so kyrie/athletes could play. there are alot of avenues for this to end sooner then later. obviously him getting vaxxed is the quixkest.

i wouldnt anticipate anything until thanksgiving at the earliest

Isn't "selectivity" of the mandate one of the reason why Kyrie was against it? So your first reaction to the mandate being made more universal is not a possibility of Kyrie getting vaxxed? Or do you believe deep down the reasons he gave were all BS?

[Prokorov]

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WELP.

I don't think there will be any mandate lifting until certain metrics are met, nor will the SCOTUS overturn it.

Kyrie is not going to play this year unless he gets vaccinated.

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When you're being praised for being an open antivaxxer by a dude who beat a woman's face until it was nearly recognizable, or a politician who knew that young men at Ohio State were being raped and did nothing about it, you may need to rethink your position and ask yourself why some of the worst human beings in this country are coming to your defense.

I'm glad they didnt puss out vs. the cops. if its a real mandate (it should be) then it needs to include them all. We will see if it holds up, thats a strong union.

Deblasio could be out as mayor in 2 months. new prospective mayor already basically said he would make it so kyrie/athletes could play. there are alot of avenues for this to end sooner then later. obviously him getting vaxxed is the quixkest.

i wouldnt anticipate anything until thanksgiving at the earliest

Isn't "selectivity" of the mandate one of the reason why Kyrie was against it? So your first reaction to the mandate being made more universal is not a possibility of Kyrie getting vaxxed? Or do you believe deep down the reasons he gave were all BS?

He never defined what his issues with the mandate were, so we dont know. He left it vague. if i had to speculate given his anti-government type views, id say he has an issue with the mandate in general and it costing people jobs in general.

me personally, i had an issue because it allowed for people to lose their pensions/tenure which is earned over years of service... and it was biased, not enforced equally with huge exceptions (like cops) and had no religious exemptions. they finally stood up to the cops. its better now but still a long way to go... hopefully its lifted before the need to go through thousands of court battles. i think if nyc can get to 85-90% it will be lifted.

For kyrie, i think the fastes would be diblasio is out of office and the new guys allows athletes/performers to play if they follow safety regulations

[DarkXaero]

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WELP.

I don't think there will be any mandate lifting until certain metrics are met, nor will the SCOTUS overturn it.

Kyrie is not going to play this year unless he gets vaccinated.

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When you're being praised for being an open antivaxxer by a dude who beat a woman's face until it was nearly recognizable, or a politician who knew that young men at Ohio State were being raped and did nothing about it, you may need to rethink your position and ask yourself why some of the worst human beings in this country are coming to your defense.

I'm glad they didnt puss out vs. the cops. if its a real mandate (it should be) then it needs to include them all. We will see if it holds up, thats a strong union.

Deblasio could be out as mayor in 2 months. new prospective mayor already basically said he would make it so kyrie/athletes could play. there are alot of avenues for this to end sooner then later. obviously him getting vaxxed is the quixkest.

i wouldnt anticipate anything until thanksgiving at the earliest

He did not say any such such thing. Eric Adams is actually even more pro vaccine mandate than Deblasio, but Eric Adams has said that he's optimistic that Kyrie would be able to play soon, yet did not commit to granting any exemptions or anything.

[Prokorov]

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WELP.

I don't think there will be any mandate lifting until certain metrics are met, nor will the SCOTUS overturn it.

Kyrie is not going to play this year unless he gets vaccinated.

Read on Twitter

When you're being praised for being an open antivaxxer by a dude who beat a woman's face until it was nearly recognizable, or a politician who knew that young men at Ohio State were being raped and did nothing about it, you may need to rethink your position and ask yourself why some of the worst human beings in this country are coming to your defense.

I'm glad they didnt puss out vs. the cops. if its a real mandate (it should be) then it needs to include them all. We will see if it holds up, thats a strong union.

Deblasio could be out as mayor in 2 months. new prospective mayor already basically said he would make it so kyrie/athletes could play. there are alot of avenues for this to end sooner then later. obviously him getting vaxxed is the quixkest.

i wouldnt anticipate anything until thanksgiving at the earliest

He did not say any such such thing. Eric Adams is actually even more pro vaccine mandate than Deblasio, but Eric Adams has said that he's optimistic that Kyrie would be able to play soon, yet did not commit to granting any exemptions or anything.

He actually said he is "extremely optomistic"

“I think this is going to work itself out,” said frontrunner Adams, who is currently the Brooklyn borough president.

He continued: “I believe we’re going to find a way to have safety and to continue to keep our standards strong.”

“I believe the NBA and Kyrie, they should work out how they are going to address that, and I think it’s going to be up to them … and the city to come down with a real agreement, and at this time I think the NBA and Kyrie would be able to come to an agreement,” Adams added at an unrelated get-out-the-vote event in Queens.

it seems like a lock he would open that up.

[DarkXaero]

I'm glad they didnt puss out vs. the cops. if its a real mandate (it should be) then it needs to include them all. We will see if it holds up, thats a strong union.

Deblasio could be out as mayor in 2 months. new prospective mayor already basically said he would make it so kyrie/athletes could play. there are alot of avenues for this to end sooner then later. obviously him getting vaxxed is the quixkest.

i wouldnt anticipate anything until thanksgiving at the earliest

He did not say any such such thing. Eric Adams is actually even more pro vaccine mandate than Deblasio, but Eric Adams has said that he's optimistic that Kyrie would be able to play soon, yet did not commit to granting any exemptions or anything.

He actually said he is "extremely optomistic"

“I think this is going to work itself out,” said frontrunner Adams, who is currently the Brooklyn borough president.

He continued: “I believe we’re going to find a way to have safety and to continue to keep our standards strong.”

“I believe the NBA and Kyrie, they should work out how they are going to address that, and I think it’s going to be up to them … and the city to come down with a real agreement, and at this time I think the NBA and Kyrie would be able to come to an agreement,” Adams added at an unrelated get-out-the-vote event in Queens.

it seems like a lock he would open that up.

I don't see that at all, it's vague as hell. Don't get me wrong, it's encouraging that he said that, but I don't see it as a "lock" at all.

[Prokorov]

He did not say any such such thing. Eric Adams is actually even more pro vaccine mandate than Deblasio, but Eric Adams has said that he's optimistic that Kyrie would be able to play soon, yet did not commit to granting any exemptions or anything.

He actually said he is "extremely optomistic"

“I think this is going to work itself out,” said frontrunner Adams, who is currently the Brooklyn borough president.

He continued: “I believe we’re going to find a way to have safety and to continue to keep our standards strong.”

“I believe the NBA and Kyrie, they should work out how they are going to address that, and I think it’s going to be up to them … and the city to come down with a real agreement, and at this time I think the NBA and Kyrie would be able to come to an agreement,” Adams added at an unrelated get-out-the-vote event in Queens.

it seems like a lock he would open that up.

I don't see that at all, it's vague as hell. Don't get me wrong, it's encouraging that he said that, but I don't see it as a "lock" at all.

i mean for a politician its pretty bold, so take it in context of who is saying it. a guy running for office right before he would start a term who doesnt sit on the fence and talks pretty candid about the nba working with the city and being "Extremely optomistic"

typical politics talk is "i respect his choice but we have to protect all citizens. this is an issue we will need to talk to the league with. safety is our primary concerny"

[3pt_chucker]

At this point there is no ambiguity left on why the vaccine is not a personal choice on multiple fronts. If Kyrie wants a trade then I'm glad because we can get something in return from him and move on from a clearly selfish player who will 100% do something similarly selfish in the future. (The greatest predictor of future actions is the past)

I think selfish is demding someone else make the choice you want so your team can win more sports games.

No, selfish is not taking a safe vaccine that is a communal effect for himself, family, friends and teammates. Sure he can personally decide not to take it but it's a selfish act considering he does not exist in a vacuum.

I'm not demanding he take the vaccine. He can do whatever he wants but all actions have consequences/repercussions. From the Nets perspective, his choice is not in line with literally everyone else on the team, coaching staff and front office.

[3pt_chucker]

Don't think the Nets pull the trigger on a Ky trade yet. I think they will wait until December/January, the smart thing to do; this way they can weigh where the team is at and what has to be done to improve the team. Don't know, but my gut now tells me Ky will be back and play for the Nets. At least he is staying in shape.

I think they will only trade him if he a) wants out b) KD/Harden get frustrated by him missing the whole season if things don't go well or c) Tsai loses patience.

Of these scenarios I think option A is most likely TBH. Personally, I fine with the way things are now and I think he will eventually get vaxed. At this point, I'm less certain if that's more hope than logic/