Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Mik317]

tomjas must be filling his pants right now

Nope

I just find it strange that you guys are happy with the situation

Just to put things into perspective, the Wizards GM got positive value for both Wall & Westbrook while some of you are praising Morey for failing

It’s just weird

all of this is apart of the job tho.

All of this is gamesmenship from Morey more than likely. He's using his own rep as a egotistical guy to let it be known he's ready to let this **** get crazy to see if someone jumps. As I have said in the past...I highly doubt we get a star back so all of this waiting does suck a bit IMO but all of this is just a leverage gaining game until someone blinks. Ben had hoped his temper tantrum led to us blinking. It did not. They are probably going to play the sympathy card w/ mental health heavy now to make the team the bad guy...this is probably just Morey getting out in front of it and going "yeah that sucks but don't caaaaare".

and again I'm not going to get mad over a guy NOT doing a deal right away..if after all of this we get a bag of chips back? Then sure. I don't understand the preemptive rage outside of being more of a fan of Ben than the team....waiting/ doing the trade now/ never doing the trade....as of right now...doesn't change the calculus of anything really IMO. As long as the team stays competitive, we should be fine....team starts to slide then I suspect Morey's tune will change and suddenly the current deals will become "more viable for championships" lol.

None of this **** is worth getting upset over yet.

[DCasey91]

Ben Simmons is a living goat tier of the puer aeternus. All of this recently is the result but it was always there since god knows when. High school or before most likely.

You open the gate and let the mule go... this goes for every team that gets him.

He’s the prince, the pauper and the jester of his own world, you don’t ever try to lead those types down the right path their mind or lack off is swallowed by their own fantasy.

It would take Aurelius to actually bring him to his senses but the NBA in totality is literally a breeding ground for Ben so it works on the opposite ends of the spectrum.

[Negrodamus]

So, if Ben isn't getting paid for any of these games, Rich Paul looks really bad here, no?

I said that early on, but I assumed there was a plan or loophole involved here that I didn't know about. Ben is really just going to lose a ton of money.

[KramerDSP]

The League should give us the a #1 pick in the 2022 Draft because we don't let a (young) guy to break a contract just signed without any resonable reason.

The same league that inserted the Colangelo family to punish us for Hinkie’s tank job? We’ll be lucky to hear anything publicly.

[zimpy27]

First it was draft night then end of preseason then December 15 & now the deadline

Daryl has no plan other than hoping someone asks out

It was those deadlines but the offers didn't improve. So the final deadline is effectively next offseason IMO (maybe trying to work an SnT). Beal, LaVine, Ayton are all SnT options in the offseason.

But trade deadline is a more pressing point were a team to get dsperate this season and trade for Simmons.

CJ had a killer first game, if he plays well maybe Morey just takes him. That would suck IMO.

I honestly don' think Simmons cares about missing a year where he can chill and play COD. He effectively did that in his first year.

Got paid though. Clearly not getting paid is enough for him to fly across the country.

Is he not getting paid now? I think he is.. He will get a few fines but right now he's with the team and is being assessed to play game to game.

[Sixerscan]

It was those deadlines but the offers didn't improve. So the final deadline is effectively next offseason IMO (maybe trying to work an SnT). Beal, LaVine, Ayton are all SnT options in the offseason.

But trade deadline is a more pressing point were a team to get dsperate this season and trade for Simmons.

CJ had a killer first game, if he plays well maybe Morey just takes him. That would suck IMO.

I honestly don' think Simmons cares about missing a year where he can chill and play COD. He effectively did that in his first year.

Got paid though. Clearly not getting paid is enough for him to fly across the country.

Is he not getting paid now? I think he is..

Per Woj's etc. report the other day he has not received $1 since showing up. He got an $8 million payment back around the draft, then he had another $8 million that was due 10/1 but the team put it in an escrow account and have been drawing from that for his fines.

[kriss73]

The League should give us the a #1 pick in the 2022 Draft because we don't let a (young) guy to break a contract just signed without any resonable reason.

The same league that inserted the Colangelo family to punish us for Hinkie’s tank job? We’ll be lucky to hear anything publicly.

Yeah, I was kidding, of course.

But really...it would be very dangerous for this League (for the owners and the franchises) if a young player on a fresh contract can decide to take the money and go away where he prefers.

I'm sure all the owners, the GMs and silver are appreciating Morey for staying firm.

[zimpy27]

Got paid though. Clearly not getting paid is enough for him to fly across the country.

Is he not getting paid now? I think he is..

Per Woj's etc. report the other day he has not received $1 since showing up. He got an $8 million payment back around the draft, then he had another $8 million that was due 10/1 but the team put it in an escrow account and have been drawing from that for his fines.

Yeah it's in escrow, that's why Simmons hasn't got it yet. Problem is, how much will he eventually get? Maybe he gets all of it eventually. He was getting fined because he wasn't reporting. I don't know if that still happens.

[Murray_17]

So, if Ben isn't getting paid for any of these games, Rich Paul looks really bad here, no?

We can talk and joke a lot about Ben, but i think the guy who has looked worse in all this saga is actually Paul.

I wonder what some of his other players are thinking.

[Mik317]

my guess is that the league gets involved in some way soon.

I know Stern would have lol. Don't think we can keep suspending him for the same thing. The PA also probably isn't too happy about this. This gets resolved by an outside force or someone relents....Morey is playing w/ house money as the owners aren't going to want to pay more FOs dudes and as stated by others probably for the first time in his life has other owners/GMs on his side a bit.

AS I said before...this is terrible for me as a fan of the team because it holds everything up a bit but this is tremendous content lol.

[Sixerscan]

Is he not getting paid now? I think he is..

Per Woj's etc. report the other day he has not received $1 since showing up. He got an $8 million payment back around the draft, then he had another $8 million that was due 10/1 but the team put it in an escrow account and have been drawing from that for his fines.

Yeah it's in escrow, that's why Simmons hasn't got it yet. Problem is, how much will he eventually get? Maybe he gets all of it eventually. He was getting fined because he wasn't reporting. I don't know if that still happens.

He got suspended without pay for the game last night. That's presumably gonna keep happening if he refuses to play/do what the team tells him to do.

[Tomjas]

tomjas must be filling his pants right now

Nope

I just find it strange that you guys are happy with the situation

Just to put things into perspective, the Wizards GM got positive value for both Wall & Westbrook while some of you are praising Morey for failing

It’s just weird

No one is happy with the overall situation. Just happy Morey is standing his ground. The little baby signed a deal knowing he had these concerns. Took the money and now trying to force us to trade him for scraps. Hard pass. He needs to be accountable for something once and for all. Yes Morey could've, would've, should've. He didn't and has every right to. Ben should've not taking the money and gone year to year and bet on himself like his daddy LeBron did.

Situation is what it is at this point. I'm also pretty sure the NBA and other owners are on his side to stop the BS.

You’re far too emotional

It’s business

Let’s look at this logically and without emotion

Ben is effectively gone

Far from being the beneficiary of his departure, we have nothing to show for it

Morey has 2 options - trade him for a star or for assets that can be used to acquire one

No stars are available and won’t be for some time so the answer is obvious

Unfortunately, Morey seems to be looking to hit a homer off the first pitch and it rarely works that way

[Tomjas]

The League should give us the a #1 pick in the 2022 Draft because we don't let a (young) guy to break a contract just signed without any resonable reason.

The same league that inserted the Colangelo family to punish us for Hinkie’s tank job? We’ll be lucky to hear anything publicly.

Yeah, I was kidding, of course.

But really...it would be very dangerous for this League (for the owners and the franchises) if a young player on a fresh contract can decide to take the money and go away where he prefers.

I'm sure alle the owners, the GMs and silver are appreciating Morey for staying firm.

They’re probably laughing at him as it’s hurting the Sixers

[Sixerscan]

Nope

I just find it strange that you guys are happy with the situation

Just to put things into perspective, the Wizards GM got positive value for both Wall & Westbrook while some of you are praising Morey for failing

It’s just weird

No one is happy with the overall situation. Just happy Morey is standing his ground. The little baby signed a deal knowing he had these concerns. Took the money and now trying to force us to trade him for scraps. Hard pass. He needs to be accountable for something once and for all. Yes Morey could've, would've, should've. He didn't and has every right to. Ben should've not taking the money and gone year to year and bet on himself like his daddy LeBron did.

Situation is what it is at this point. I'm also pretty sure the NBA and other owners are on his side to stop the BS.

You’re far too emotional

It’s business

Let’s look at this logically and without emotion

Ben is effectively gone

Far from being the beneficiary of his departure, we have nothing to show for it

Morey has 2 options - trade him for a star or for assets that can be used to acquire one

No stars are available and won’t be for some time so the answer is obvious

Unfortunately, Morey seems to be looking to hit a homer off the first pitch and it rarely works that way

I think he'd probably take assets that by themselves he could flip into a star. Like a slightly less crazy version of that Warriors package he apparently asked for.

He's not gonna take a first round pick or two that would get him like 20% to a star.

[Mik317]

Is it tho?

trading Ben for scraps doesn't really help either.

So again no one gains anything from a hasty trade right except Ben.

[FireMorey]

Simmons is the last chip we have.

Why would you just made your last trade for CJ or a package of Brogodn and Levert? it doesn't make sense. Let see what's the real best offer we can get before doing anything.

I don't get why you're so mad, you don't even watch games

I don't get angry about sports.

What if the last best offer is worse than the one you could have gotten? Waiting is all well and good, but it's only smart if logic says his value will rise over time. The most likely scenario was his value will depreciate. He should've seen it, but he was blinded by trying to get the W instead of cashing out before the stock plummets to zero.

It's doesn't matter if the offers go down if the current offer isn't good enough to make the team a contender.

If you disagree with that line of thinking, fine, but that's the line of thinking. Not that the mediocre offers are going to get slightly better over the next few months.

I think a Sixers team with Brogdon and Levert could beat the Bucks in a series. Not saying they would, but certainly could. That's two 20 ppg scorers, and Brogdon is a good defender, so he would have negated some of the defense lost by Simmons. The Sixers were the #1 seed last season. Playoff Ben is the reason the Sixers lost to Atlanta. Replace that with two quality pieces, albeit not stars, and I think they could certainly take on most teams in the NBA toe to toe.

Don't think they could beat a fully available Nets team, but I don't think anyone could have.

That offer obviously isn't on the table anymore with Brogdon's extension, but at this point I think Morey needs to stop looking at Ben Simmons as the trade piece that gets him that final piece to put them over the top and look at Simmons as just a guy he needs to trade to improve the roster, even if it doesn't necessarily make them a championship team.

[zaz102]

Is it tho?

trading Ben for scraps doesn't really help either.

So again no one gains anything from a hasty trade right except Ben.

Best argument I got for the pro-scraps argument is that if the Sixers keep collecting assets, then they'll be fine. I can't think of what non-lottery teams collect assets worth anything. Bostons been on a downward spiral. Warriors tanked a couple years. Minnesota sucks more every year to the point of being a terrible team since giving Butler for scraps. Philly not a FA destination like Miami, NY, or LA.

I get that it might not work out, but I don't understand why the role players are so enticing. I think the Sixers would have to get very lucky to not have a slow downward spiral if the don't get something good for Simmons.

[kriss73]

Read on Twitter

It seems relevant to me.

[bball4life]

This is what's going to happen. Ben will try to say he's hurt for some time and refuse to practice/play. He will probably get payed for a handful of games but as he will undoubtedly refuse to do individual treatment / rehab for his fake injury and therapy for his fake mental state, he will be suspended by the league for detrimental contract, or that will be the threat. He will have a choice to be a good soldier or not make any money. In fact, if the league steps in, he may have to start paying them back the first 8 million for breach of contract.

I suspect they will work out for him to "reintegrate" at the start of the first lengthy road trip of the season so he can play without the threat of being booed. Because he clearly cares more about getting paid than he does stating he will never play again for the Sixers.
The fact he showed up once they didn't pay him speaks to that. The hope would be he plays his ass off and gets a chance to survive long enough on the team to facilitate the first decent trade. I mean, Philly loves a hard working player and for all his faults, he plays hard every time he's on the court. And if he ever had the awareness to simply say, "Look, I screwed up, I'm here to play" he wouldn't be harassed very much at all to start, and not at all later. Unfortunately, he has no awareness and his agent is a moron so....

[Sixerscan]

I don't get angry about sports.

What if the last best offer is worse than the one you could have gotten? Waiting is all well and good, but it's only smart if logic says his value will rise over time. The most likely scenario was his value will depreciate. He should've seen it, but he was blinded by trying to get the W instead of cashing out before the stock plummets to zero.

It's doesn't matter if the offers go down if the current offer isn't good enough to make the team a contender.

If you disagree with that line of thinking, fine, but that's the line of thinking. Not that the mediocre offers are going to get slightly better over the next few months.

I think a Sixers team with Brogdon and Levert could beat the Bucks in a series. Not saying they would, but certainly could. That's two 20 ppg scorers, and Brogdon is a good defender, so he would have negated some of the defense lost by Simmons. The Sixers were the #1 seed last season. Playoff Ben is the reason the Sixers lost to Atlanta. Replace that with two quality pieces, albeit not stars, and I think they could certainly take on most teams in the NBA toe to toe.

Don't think they could beat a fully available Nets team, but I don't think anyone could have.

That offer obviously isn't on the table anymore with Brogdon's extension, but at this point I think Morey needs to stop looking at Ben Simmons as the trade piece that gets him that final piece to put them over the top and look at Simmons as just a guy he needs to trade to improve the roster, even if it doesn't necessarily make them a championship team.

I could be wrong, but I think if Morey agreed with you on that he would have done the trade, but he doesn't. Sure they "could" but they'd be a pretty heavy underdog. Ben playing like that may have made them lose to the Hawks, but the Hawks are probably like the 10th best team in the NBA, they got knocked out by the Bucks without Giannis.