All Elite Wrestling - Discussion

[Amare_1_Knicks]

The 8 man tag match was okay. Usually not a big fan of that style of match. No 5 count in the ring, no 10 count on the floor. It’s impossible to keep track of who the legal man is. Not bad for what it was, and I do like most of the guys in the match. Luchasaurus is over big, JB is very impressive in the ring.

I don’t know what that Cody segment was. It was way over the top lol. Almost so bad it was good? The constant camera cuts were ridiculous, it’s obvious they must’ve spent an hour or two filming that 1:30 minute segment.

Darby’s sit down fell just a tad flat. It wasn’t bad, but my oh my, he didn’t have the charisma to carry that kind of thing. Speaking of charisma, Skye Blue’s little promo for the TBS title was sooo bad. Holy hell. Just no energy or charisma behind it at all. But I was entertained by all of it.

Hangman coming back was super cool. Pop he got was amazing. I think it’s the right decision to have him win it off Omega. It culminates that story and puts over one of your homegrown, young stars in a big way. And everyone loves him. Just keep him away from the Dark Order.

[daoneandonly]

So this TBS women's championship belt, is that replacing the main women's belt? Or is this supposed to be like an intercontinental championship for the women's division?

Pretty sure it’s just the female equivalent of the TNT championship.

Great episode of Dynamite. The 8 man tag was good chaos. Jr had me cracking up with how much he hates the young bucks and the complete lack of rules to the match.
When schiavone mentioned how Christian was hurt and it was now a handicap match JR said something like “4 on 3, 3 on 2, all 8 guys in the damn ring. Nothing matters.”

Luchasaurus is just stupid good and he’s getting over organically more and more every week. Can’t wait to see what the future holds for him.

As I said last week, Omega needs to break free from the Elite. Just does nothing to elevate him.

I love what they’re doing with Darby. Very reminiscent with how they developed Foley in those sit down interviews. Normally I’d say a guy like Darby just simply isn’t physically big enough but he has that it factor you can’t teach.

I’m ready for down to business CM Punk. I don’t think this Taz feud will get him there.

Was really really surprised they had Deeb over Shida. Not sure where they’re going there.

Crowd was so freaking loud for Jericho’s segment. In general it’s refreshing to hear a crowd that’s real and not piped in (looking at you Kevin Dunn).

I’m not a big Hangman Page guy but the story makes sense for him to get the shot against Omega. He’ll win the strap but I’m not sure that’s the right call. I see way more babyface challengers for the title right now than heels. If it’s Page, after he’s done with Omega there’s just not enough heel guys elevated enough to give him a long run.

ETA: Cody bores me to tears but id watch two hours straight of Arn if I could.

Agree with pretty much everything you wrote. It was indeed a great episode. The 8 man tag was great, and the crows made Luchasaurus look like the star o the 4, thats saying something considering Danielson and Jungle Boy were his partners.

I think they have to go with Page, and he's massively over. I dont think you can have Punk or Bryan take the strap from Omega over a homegrown guy. He can feud with Cole and then turn Christian, and a hele Cody who goes back on his word and challenges for the title. I actually think that should be the eventual guy to beat Page when the time comes. Then you have ready made programs with him and Punk and him and Bryan.

[Ruzious]

The 8 man tag match was okay. Usually not a big fan of that style of match. No 5 count in the ring, no 10 count on the floor. It’s impossible to keep track of who the legal man is. Not bad for what it was, and I do like most of the guys in the match. Luchasaurus is over big, JB is very impressive in the ring.

I don’t know what that Cody segment was. It was way over the top lol. Almost so bad it was good? The constant camera cuts were ridiculous, it’s obvious they must’ve spent an hour or two filming that 1:30 minute segment.

Darby’s sit down fell just a tad flat. It wasn’t bad, but my oh my, he didn’t have the charisma to carry that kind of thing. Speaking of charisma, Skye Blue’s little promo for the TBS title was sooo bad. Holy hell. Just no energy or charisma behind it at all. But I was entertained by all of it.

Hangman coming back was super cool. Pop he got was amazing. I think it’s the right decision to have him win it off Omega. It culminates that story and puts over one of your homegrown, young stars in a big way. And everyone loves him. Just keep him away from the Dark Order.

AEW's done an amazing job of making Darby appear to be a star, but that finishing move just doesn't look like it could hurt a fly at his size. Hangman otoh - has the buckshot lariat and a couple other outstanding finishes that makes it much easier to make him a star.

[jakecronus8]

The 8 man tag match was okay. Usually not a big fan of that style of match. No 5 count in the ring, no 10 count on the floor. It’s impossible to keep track of who the legal man is. Not bad for what it was, and I do like most of the guys in the match. Luchasaurus is over big, JB is very impressive in the ring.

I don’t know what that Cody segment was. It was way over the top lol. Almost so bad it was good? The constant camera cuts were ridiculous, it’s obvious they must’ve spent an hour or two filming that 1:30 minute segment.

Darby’s sit down fell just a tad flat. It wasn’t bad, but my oh my, he didn’t have the charisma to carry that kind of thing. Speaking of charisma, Skye Blue’s little promo for the TBS title was sooo bad. Holy hell. Just no energy or charisma behind it at all. But I was entertained by all of it.

Hangman coming back was super cool. Pop he got was amazing. I think it’s the right decision to have him win it off Omega. It culminates that story and puts over one of your homegrown, young stars in a big way. And everyone loves him. Just keep him away from the Dark Order.

AEW's done an amazing job of making Darby appear to be a star, but that finishing move just doesn't look like it could hurt a fly at his size.

In kayfabe a 30 pound toddler could do some serious damage with the coffin drop. I think it’s devastating looking and perfect for his daredevil persona.

[daoneandonly]

The 8 man tag match was okay. Usually not a big fan of that style of match. No 5 count in the ring, no 10 count on the floor. It’s impossible to keep track of who the legal man is. Not bad for what it was, and I do like most of the guys in the match. Luchasaurus is over big, JB is very impressive in the ring.

I don’t know what that Cody segment was. It was way over the top lol. Almost so bad it was good? The constant camera cuts were ridiculous, it’s obvious they must’ve spent an hour or two filming that 1:30 minute segment.

Darby’s sit down fell just a tad flat. It wasn’t bad, but my oh my, he didn’t have the charisma to carry that kind of thing. Speaking of charisma, Skye Blue’s little promo for the TBS title was sooo bad. Holy hell. Just no energy or charisma behind it at all. But I was entertained by all of it.

Hangman coming back was super cool. Pop he got was amazing. I think it’s the right decision to have him win it off Omega. It culminates that story and puts over one of your homegrown, young stars in a big way. And everyone loves him. Just keep him away from the Dark Order.

AEW's done an amazing job of making Darby appear to be a star, but that finishing move just doesn't look like it could hurt a fly at his size.

In kayfabe a 30 pound toddler could do some serious damage with the coffin drop. I think it’s devastating looking and perfect for his daredevil persona.

Agreed, especially when we've had moves like the people's elbow as finishers as well

[improper]

Yeah, I think the crowd basically decides if a guy is big enough to be legit. Rey Mysterio is one of the smallest wrestling stars in history and he's been a world champ in WWE and basically everywhere else he's ever been. You can believably have him win the Royal Rumble or guys like Big Show because the crowd loves him, and in the end that's what matters in wrestling. If you can get yourself over enough, you can be a world champ.

WWE seems to be losing sight of that. I do think you need some bigger guys on a roster to add legitimacy, but you also need guys who just have IT, and having IT is a quality that is independent of size.

[Ruzious]

AEW's done an amazing job of making Darby appear to be a star, but that finishing move just doesn't look like it could hurt a fly at his size.

In kayfabe a 30 pound toddler could do some serious damage with the coffin drop. I think it’s devastating looking and perfect for his daredevil persona.

Agreed, especially when we've had moves like the people's elbow as finishers as well

I think it's laughable when he does the garden variety version of it, but I agree that the people's elbow was also laughable - as is Cena' 5 knuckle shuffle.

[tugs]

Would've been a historic night for Shida and they've played it out really well with the false finishes. I guess they want this 50th win to really be a big deal, creating this feud over that storyline

And can I just say, as a champ, Christian seems lost in there

[Texas Chuck]

In kayfabe a 30 pound toddler could do some serious damage with the coffin drop. I think it’s devastating looking and perfect for his daredevil persona.

Agreed, especially when we've had moves like the people's elbow as finishers as well

I think it's laughable when he does the garden variety version of it, but I agree that the people's elbow was also laughable - as is Cena' 5 knuckle shuffle.

I never worried about how legit a finisher looked. Lots of them have been weak over the years. But People's Elbow was as over as anything save a stunner or RKO probably ever. And the theatrics of it fit Rock perfectly. I loved it.

F5 is supposedly one of the most devestating and it looks stupid as does a pedigree or the tombstone where the opponents head is 18 inches above the mat. Heck even Takers chokeslam he was super safe when delivering and he carried the guy almost to the mat before releasing him.

And don't get me started on the majority of submission holds.

I totally agree its all about the wrestler getting over. You achieve that, who cares what your finisher is. Hell, how many guys right now are using the Spear: Reigns, Lashley, Goldberg, Edge. People still mark out for it though.

[tugs]

Thoughts on Bobby Fish's debut?

[Amare_1_Knicks]

Why do they need a hardcore match on every show ? It’s overkill. Cage and Starks this week. Jade/Rose/Rosa last week. Moxley/Kingston vs Archer/Japanese dude (every Moxley match is hardcore at this point). Bleh. It’s a bit much.

I hate the leg slapping super kicks. They make me nauseous at this point.


I liked Bobby Fish’s debut. He looked good, worked well and I think he’s a solid hand that’s obviously national TV ready to just go out and put on a good wrestling match.

[Pharaoh]

Pretty impressive that they can have the crowd begging for Page while they have just brought in Punk, Danielson and Cole.

Roster is stacked, crowds are jacked and we're far more likely to complain about who isn't on the show and/or how they're using certain people.

That's a long way from "a typical Indy fed with better production values" or a "better" Impact/ROH type thing which is what I thought AEW would be for a while before they reached this point

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[jakecronus8]

Every time I’ve seen omega since he had (in my opinion) his best match of his career with Danielson I just wish he’d get away from the Elite. They just bring him down.

[improper]

Every time I’ve seen omega since he had (in my opinion) his best match of his career with Danielson I just wish he’d get away from the Elite. They just bring him down.

Pretty easy story to do it too...have them turn on him to follow Adam Cole instead.

[jakecronus8]

Every time I’ve seen omega since he had (in my opinion) his best match of his career with Danielson I just wish he’d get away from the Elite. They just bring him down.

Pretty easy story to do it too...have them turn on him to follow Adam Cole instead.

Or KO when he gets there

[Scott Hall]

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so some quick background: i havent watched Wrestling since.. about 2002? I have my teenage cousins staying with me right now, and they introduced me to this WWE/AEW rivalry as best they could the past couple days. We watched Crown Jewel, and we watched Smackdown and Rampage tonight.

(sorry if this derails AEW thread, but) Watching Crown Jewel was frustrating based on the hype they told me. So the thing with Heyman was a constant selling point, but they didnt answer it, and now Brock is suspended indefinitely? Back in the day we'd be livid if there was no payoff at a PPV! And worse yet, the Heyman finish made no sense. If he's w/Brock or Roman, he gives one the belt. Case closed. Throwing it in the middle makes him look like he cant pass a belt 5 feet! Anyways.. I say that to say this:

AEW show tonight was amazing! I'm way behind on any kind of storyline, but the action was fast, I might be in love with that Annie girl, and once I was explained the context of the Arn Anderson ending (LOVE that he's still in the business) it totally reminded me of the old WWF days where the show ended on a high adrenaline note

Anyhow in trying to keep up with my cousins I'm sure I'll be looking around here for context to sound smart to them

[Amare_1_Knicks]

The OC/Hobbs match was upsetting. Just what the actual **** having OC go over Hobbs. An injured, and compromised Cassidy beats Powerhouse Hobbs. I will never understand.

[Texas Chuck]

(sorry if this derails AEW thread, but) Watching Crown Jewel was frustrating based on the hype they told me. So the thing with Heyman was a constant selling point, but they didnt answer it, and now Brock is suspended indefinitely? Back in the day we'd be livid if there was no payoff at a PPV! And worse yet, the Heyman finish made no sense. If he's w/Brock or Roman, he gives one the belt. Case closed. Throwing it in the middle makes him look like he cant pass a belt 5 feet! Anyways.. I say that to say this:

Pretty sure this is a long-term program between Reigns and Lesner and so they are leaving the Heyman angle open so they can get more mileage out of it. Which is why he tossed the belt directly between them.

My guess is that because Lesner is a natural heel and Vince really wants Roman to be a babyface(even though he's been far more over as a heel that he ever was as a babyface) is that this program will culminate in Heyman screwing over Reigns at a big PPV and they do a dual switch to where Lesner goes back to a heel and Reigns back to a babyface.

[FNQ]

(sorry if this derails AEW thread, but) Watching Crown Jewel was frustrating based on the hype they told me. So the thing with Heyman was a constant selling point, but they didnt answer it, and now Brock is suspended indefinitely? Back in the day we'd be livid if there was no payoff at a PPV! And worse yet, the Heyman finish made no sense. If he's w/Brock or Roman, he gives one the belt. Case closed. Throwing it in the middle makes him look like he cant pass a belt 5 feet! Anyways.. I say that to say this:

Pretty sure this is a long-term program between Reigns and Lesner and so they are leaving the Heyman angle open so they can get more mileage out of it. Which is why he tossed the belt directly between them.

My guess is that because Lesner is a natural heel and Vince really wants Roman to be a babyface(even though he's been far more over as a heel that he ever was as a babyface) is that this program will culminate in Heyman screwing over Reigns at a big PPV and they do a dual switch to where Lesner goes back to a heel and Reigns back to a babyface.

But isn't that a bit insulting to the viewer? I cant recall a time (again, looking back 20 years so maybe everythings changed) where a PPV was set up on a certain angle, and instead of giving it any kind of resolution, continue to draw it out for months while not really adding any intrigue at all. I think there's a way that it could have been done where you think Heyman was specifically trying to help someone but its unknown who, but this wasn't it. 5 feet away! Ref is down! Hand your guy the belt!

And then if they delay it for months, I dont know that that's long-term storytelling. Its just hitting pause on the movie and picking it up later, while juking fans on the primary point of the feud that was constantly referenced leading up. I dunno, even coming in midway, I was really irked by that. It never would have flown in the Stone Cold/Rock/Mick Foley era, where each PPV had some sort of moment where it all made sense. This had big "I did it for the Rock" vibes to me, and that makes it hard for me to get into the storyline. And especially when its Paul E! That guy was my favorite.. and he comes off as kind of incompetent here. I can forgive the ponytail being gone, I guess, but making Heyman not being able to make a simple belt handoff, just not a fan of it