Nets v. Heat | 10.27.2021 @ 7:30 PM on YES

[HardenGoat]

Team will only go as far as Harden can take them. He’s simply not in game shape and rusty. The reason we were so effective last year was Harden was playing at the top of his game. He’s not that player yet. Once he gets back in a groove everything will fall in place. This might take several more games but I think it will happen.

[Prokorov]

Really solid effort. I thoughtngiven the physical play and especially the first half the refs swallowing the whistle that we really dug in and kept it close. I honestly thought this would be worst... like a 25+ loss like when Miami whooped up on the bucks. My thoughts....

1) I love patty mills. but why are we riding him in the 4th quarter when he was 0-6 from three and shooting airballs. He didnt have it tonight, thats ok... if he doesnt play someone else. maybe a defender. maybe carter hits some threes (cant be worse then 0-6). Maybe go a touch bigger with toughness with johnson.... but make ANY adjustment there. If it was a super close game, maybe have confidence he will hit the next one, but they had it at 6-9 points. find a guy whose gonna give you something on either end.

2) I dont really care much about getting outrebounded. But when its this one sided, maybe you dont go ultra small with millsap at center.Milsap wasnt bad, but bring blake back in Did he even play in the 4th at all?) to give some size and bulk.

3) In a game like this durant needs to take more then 18 shots. he needs isos, but need to find some other ways to get him the ball where he can catch and go up. mid post is inviting a hard double team. there is 0 creativity to this offense to put guys in good spots to score.

4) Why are we letting clear missed call after clear missed call go without a challenge? multiple blake blocks were clear charges. those plays would take 2 points off the board for miami and add a foul to Bam. What are you saving the challenge for... so you can challenge a clear foul later in the game that still gives miami 2 points? Nets need to seriusly assign someone to challenges on the staff. they make the call. make it their only job.

5) Brown gave us great minutes again and even hit some threes. He has cemented that starting spot. Good to see him playing well. he is important for us. I also liked we went 2 shifts with 3 defenders on the floor. the first time it let to a 10-2 run. changed momentum

6) still have 0 concern on Harden. He has looked better every game. He will figure out the fouls and adjust. but to me its about the first step. he is still consistently getting passed his man.... you can see the rust on passing. tuns of turnovers on poclet passes. and not as much lift to finish. Three ball has always been hot and cold for him. He will get there by end of november.

Overall its hard for me to be frustrated. We played a better team and lost a tough game were we competed and scrapped. Nash was pretty poor and got outcoached, but that is expected and a reality this team has to play through. 32% from three tonight. missed tons of open looks. The game was there for us to take, we didnt execture on either end in big spots. i can live with that vs. getting our doors blown off.

[Prokorov]

A lot to gripe about so far this season, but I know better than to start worrying in October let alone before the new year.

Critiquing the offense isn’t “worrying”. It’s just calling out what you see at the present moment.

Nash doesn’t seem to care about the beginning of the season, so I don’t think there’s need for major concern until we’re 15 or so games in and the problems we see now still persist.


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Yup, and listening to durant after the game he isnt concerned either. He said they are getting the shots they want, they just arent falling. that was for sure true tonight. i think 5 of mills 6 misses from threes were super wide open. KD missed to wide open ones in transition with no one near him.

One things though, we need more points in the paint. im not saying post ups but we need to generate more layups on pick and roll to brown/claxton. We need more at the rim from KD and especially Harden. We need some of our own second chance points. that will go a long way.

[LOUiS-D]

Harden had a stretch in the 2nd where he showed adaptation. He's stronger than most of the defenders he's finishing through. I think (fingers crossed) eventually we'll see him reign in the flails and opt to cradle the rock like a running back and it'll result in more finishes and more calls.

[Prokorov]

Harden had a stretch in the 2nd where he showed adaptation. He's stronger than most of the defenders he's finishing through. I think (fingers crossed) eventually we'll see him reign in the flails and opt to cradle the rock like a running back and it'll result in more finishes and more calls.

He is beating his defender on most possesions. getting by them easily with that first step. the hard part is done. he needs to make floaters/layups and make the pocket pass. thats more rust

i honestly dont think the fouls are effecting him as much as rust/confidence/out of shape

[Gooner]

This team really misses D'Antoni.

D'Antoni was the real coach of this team and he was the one who always got the best out of Harden. Nash has no business coaching anybody, he would still be a soccer commentator if Nets didn't call him.

[MrDollarBills]

Like, you guys are acting like Blake and LMA did any better than Millsap. And you have people complaining about switching on defense…when that’s the defense the entire league uses and if we didn’t switch, we would have gotten lit up even worse.

Feel like a lot of this is fans not understanding the modern NBA and how defensive principles from the early to mid 00s don’t work anymore.

I have no problem with switching. It's the end result that I have an issue with. The ball goes up and no one is hitting a body to box out. How many offensive rebounds did we give up last night because of this? The big switches out onto the perimeter and guys just let his man stand in the paint without boxing out. This has been a consistent issue going back to last season and it's not getting fixed. The offense last year covered up this issue but now that we are struggling to score, it looks even worse.

We cannot win basketball games against good teams getting out rebounded by +20 and surrendering tons of 2nd chance points.

[MrDollarBills]

Harden had a stretch in the 2nd where he showed adaptation. He's stronger than most of the defenders he's finishing through. I think (fingers crossed) eventually we'll see him reign in the flails and opt to cradle the rock like a running back and it'll result in more finishes and more calls.

Yeah. He's got to realize that the old tricks aren't going to work.

[Sharcm1]

Like, you guys are acting like Blake and LMA did any better than Millsap. And you have people complaining about switching on defense…when that’s the defense the entire league uses and if we didn’t switch, we would have gotten lit up even worse.

Feel like a lot of this is fans not understanding the modern NBA and how defensive principles from the early to mid 00s don’t work anymore.

Other teams use it when they need to. The nets use it every time even if they don’t need to switch. There is a difference. And it’s been pointed out repeatedly by commentators last season. When they don’t need to switch they shouldn’t. I’m not saying never. Just not every time. It puts the nets at a major disadvantage. Not only do you have guys like LMA and Millsap out guarding point guards on the outside it puts our guards up against their bigs if the shot is missed. So in other words either the opposing team is getting a good look at a three or an offensive rebound and easy put back.

Other than claxton they shouldn’t switch unless they have to

[MrDollarBills]

Like, you guys are acting like Blake and LMA did any better than Millsap. And you have people complaining about switching on defense…when that’s the defense the entire league uses and if we didn’t switch, we would have gotten lit up even worse.

Feel like a lot of this is fans not understanding the modern NBA and how defensive principles from the early to mid 00s don’t work anymore.

Other teams use it when they need to. The nets use it every time even if they don’t need to switch. There is a difference. And it’s been pointed out repeatedly by commentators last season. When they don’t need to switch they shouldn’t. I’m not saying never. Just not every time. It puts the nets at a major disadvantage. Not only do you have guys like LMA and Millsap out guarding point guards on the outside it puts our guards up against their bigs if the shot is missed. So in other words either the opposing team is getting a good look at a three or an offensive rebound and easy put back.

Other than claxton they shouldn’t switch unless they have to

Look at how the Bucks play when Lopez is on the floor. Brook isn't out there switching on everything. And we shouldn't do that with LMA.

[Stone]

It was rebounding that killed us, they had 20 more rebounds than us. In particular giving up 17 offensive boards to our 4. Basketball 101....box you're opponent out. How many times did we see their guys have a clear path to the paint with no resistance to get to the rim?

They had 26 free throw attempts to our 14.

As far as Harding is concerned. We need to address.....1) What the problem is? Is he out of shape, is the hamstring injury still bothering him? 2) Has his offensive game been severely effected by the new foul rules? So far he has had 20 points in each of the first two games, and 15,14 and 14 last night. It may not be time to sound the alarm but it sure does raise eyebrows.

Which leads us to Joe. He has not cracked 20 points in our first 5 games. His highest scoring game was last night where he had 15. That offensive foul he had last night on Tucker really killed our momentum, we were only down by three with the ball.

And who gets stuck carrying the load? Playing almost 40 minutes a night.

[MrDollarBills]

2) I dont really care much about getting outrebounded. But when its this one sided, maybe you dont go ultra small with millsap at center.Milsap wasnt bad, but bring blake back in Did he even play in the 4th at all?) to give some size and bulk.

We got out scored 31 to 4 on 2nd chance opportunities. Getting outrebounded by 20 absolutely had a lot to do with why we got beat the way that we did. Guy have to start boxing out and stop losing track of opposing players when the ball goes up in the air. It's ridiculous.

[Sharcm1]

Like, you guys are acting like Blake and LMA did any better than Millsap. And you have people complaining about switching on defense…when that’s the defense the entire league uses and if we didn’t switch, we would have gotten lit up even worse.

Feel like a lot of this is fans not understanding the modern NBA and how defensive principles from the early to mid 00s don’t work anymore.

I have no problem with switching. It's the end result that I have an issue with. The ball goes up and no one is hitting a body to box out. How many offensive rebounds did we give up last night because of this? The big switches out onto the perimeter and guys just let his man stand in the paint without boxing out. This has been a consistent issue going back to last season and it's not getting fixed. The offense last year covered up this issue but now that we are struggling to score, it looks even worse.

We cannot win basketball games against good teams getting out rebounded by +20 and surrendering tons of 2nd chance points.

Also have a 6’4 player boxing out a 7 foot player lol.

[MrDollarBills]

James Harden's frustration with his current level of play is evident. And it's something Harden owns. Following the Brooklyn Nets loss to the Miami Heat on Wednesday, Harden said, As much as I want to get back to just, you know, 30's and 40 points, I can't do that. As much as I want to, obviously I would love to."

Harden expressed his frustration in how long it has taken him to find his usual form. Harden spent the offseason recovering from a last season's hamstring injuries. The Nets star guard said, "I had no opportunities to play pickup or nothing this summer. Everything was rehab for three months, from a Grade 2 injury that happened three times in one season. So this is my fifth game of trying to just play with competition against somebody else. And as much as I want to rush the process and be back to hooping and killing, [have to] take your time."

Through five games, Harden is averaging his lowest stats since early in his career, when he was coming off the bench for the Oklahoma City Thunder. Harden also seems to be slowly adapting to the NBA's new points of emphasis on offensive players flopping for fouls. To this point, Harden has averaged just 3.0 free throw attempts per game. That is the lowest free throw rate of his career, and well below his recent rate.

[Hello Brooklyn]

This team is playing like absolute ****.

I'm done blaming Nash. Hes made the adjustments I wanted him to make.

Our offense has gone to Hell. KD is the only one who can consistently score. Harden has been terrible. Harris has been even worse.

Without our 2nd and 3rd option were relying on Aldridge and Mills to be our main guys. But those guys are not supposed to do that much.

At least Harden has an injury excuse. WTF is wrong with Harris this team? Such a **** scrub. I am so tired of this guy sucking when we need him the most. Trade his ass.

[3pt_chucker]

Looks like Joe will be the poster boy for hate for this season. Sad from our fans really. Patty Mills was far worse this game. The team also played very soft. Players got elbowed/bullied multiple times and there was no retaliation. Trading Joe won't automatically solve our issues anyway.. Who would we even trade him for?

At the end of the day, Harden just needs to start playing better. He needs to be more aggressive This passive stuff ain't going to work. He only took 12 shots. The FGA attempts have to go up and he needs to stop hunting fouls.

Nash also needs to do more. We don't do anything differently all game. Just look at how the Heat played defense last night. They switched, played man, zone, blitzed ball handlers, doubled when appropriate and rotated seamlessly. All in one game!! When was the last time the Nets even tried to run multiple defenses in the same game? The answer is never. Also because smart teams like the Heat know we always switch, they can manipulate us very easily to gain a mismatch on the boards. They just have to run some simple actions at the top of the key, which brings our bigs out and then they have their big rotate in or immediately crash the paint when a shot goes up. Easy peasy rebound matchup for their rebounders. Don't get me started on Millsap playing the entire 4th Quarter for switching reasons, when Blake would've been miles better.

This team is so predictable to play on both ends. Must be a dream to coach against.

[MrDollarBills]

I thought Joe was solid last night tbh.

Everything i saw last night was systemic. Our defensive philosophy gets us killed on the boards. The offense is unimaginative and boring (and yet STILL opens up shots because of who we have). Our issue starts with coaching first, guys missing good open looks, and Harden's conditioning next.

[MrDollarBills]

Looks like Joe will be the poster boy for hate for this season. Sad from our fans really. Patty Mills was far worse this game. The team also played very soft. Players got elbowed/bullied multiple times and there was no retaliation. Trading Joe won't automatically solve our issues anyway.. Who would we even trade him for?

At the end of the day, Harden just needs to start playing better. He needs to be more aggressive This passive stuff ain't going to work. He only took 12 shots. The FGA attempts have to go up and he needs to stop hunting fouls.

Nash also needs to do more. We don't do anything differently all game. Just look at how the Heat played defense last night. They switched, played man, zone, blitzed ball handlers, doubled when appropriate and rotated seamlessly. All in one game!! When was the last time the Nets even tried to run multiple defenses in the same game? The answer is never. Also because smart teams like the Heat know we always switch, they can manipulate us very easily to gain a mismatch on the boards. They just have to run some simple actions at the top of the key, which brings our bigs out and then they have their big rotate in or immediately crash the paint when a shot goes up. Easy peasy rebound matchup for their rebounders. Don't get me started on Millsap playing the entire 4th Quarter for switching reasons, when Blake would've been miles better.

This team is so predictable to play on both ends. Must be a dream to coach against.

We haven't done any of that stuff defensively since Kenny was here.

Joe and Harden not playing well are the least of my concerns. Steve Nash is in over his head, our defense makes it too easy for teams to exploit us and our offense is too iso reliant.

[DarkXaero]

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[GTR11]

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Our problems pretty evident to me.

Why didn't you post stats about Nic, Blake etc players too, it's out there. Very fitting for most Nets fans these days to go with populistic agenda.

Until Harden gets healthy them numbers won't be pretty period. Joe is above average 3 pt specialist, he also role player, which means he needs to be a beneficiary.

You know what most meaningful Stat most Nets fans avoid to say? Kyrie logged 0 min while collecting half a mil.