Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[JJ From Deep]

I think Barnes and Mobley are the clear cut top 2 players from this draft class so far.

We’ll see what Cade brings to the table.

Duarte has also been incredible

Don't leave Giddey out of this either. He's been good.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

As high as I've been on OG, Barnes is a great example of a prospect on a whole other tier -



This is their Rookie stats at the same age. Obviously OG didn't get the same minutes/opportunity but there is no chance he would've been as successful that early in his career. It's only been these last two years that OG has developed a more comfortable handle while Barnes' practically starting off from that point.

I don't believe Barnes will be a better wing defender than OG but will be a more versatile defender when he hits his prime.

Ya even though OG was a lottery level talent before his injury/surgery in college, his handles and jumper were nowhere to be seen until the last 2-3 years. Especially his handles.

He was like 2 years from being 2 years away kinda.

Value at his draft selection is huge value/steal.

[tecumseh18]

I was surprised at how early Nurse has been publicly hammering down that Scottie needs to be aggressive to the basket EVERY time. Like he's been talking about this every day and I'm sure he talks to Scottie about this way more. I think the organization is trying to change Scottie's mentality early to be a scorer first and distributor second as he is eventually going to be come that #1 option superstar surrounded by great #2/#3s.

Like last night's game he was being more aggressive but I think he started off like 1-6. He ended up going 8-17 with 18 pts and 7 assists so Nurse was right. The more aggressive he is, the assists will add up because teams would be paying more attention for him to score. Once he develops a 3pt shot, that 18 pts will be regularly in the 20s.

Nurse is right. Scottie himself doesn’t know how talented he is scoring wise. If he can expand the range to 3pt and improves his footwork under the basket. I believe he can average 25pts easily.

And that will open up the passing.In pre-season in the high post, Scottie looked like Marc Gasol directing traffic out there. But Nick and the Raps recognize that the first step is for Scottie to be perceived as a substantial scoring threat, worthy of double teams. Then he will pick the opponent apart with his passing and the Raptors cutting. I think our other guys might be being told NOT to cut, because we want to inculcate that score-first mentality in Scottie. Short term pain for long term ... championship. FU Durant.

[HumbleRen]

How do you guys think Scottie’s usage and overall game will be impacted by Siakam’s return ?

They relatively hover around the same parts of the floor to get their offence flowing. Will Scottie be relegated to a 5th option on the floor ? Or will he continue to get 15-18 points a game by doing the dirty work.

[ItsDanger]

Have they toned down Scottie's exuberance? Not surprising if true. You're only young once. Too bad, I liked that about him.

[tecumseh18]

How do you guys think Scottie’s usage and overall game will be impacted by Siakam’s return ?

They relatively hover around the same parts of the floor to get their offence flowing. Will Scottie be relegated to a 5th option on the floor ? Or will he continue to get 15-18 points a game by doing the dirty work.

Pascal was really flashing his passing talent late last season, average 5 assists per game. I think while he gets his game shooting rhythm back, they can make it work together.

Fred is basically a small shooting guard who guards the opposing PG. Most of OG's baskets are assisted (75% last night). I'd like to see Pascal and Scottie share the ballhandling and playmaking for the most part.

[anj]

Remember when we were all upset on draft night (myself included) that we passed on one of the big 4 for a zero level scorer. Fun times.

Trust Masai.

+10000. Disappointed that the RealGM post history function is down (at least for me?). I would happily dredge up my draft-night posts that expose me as a complete idiot.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Have they toned down Scottie's exuberance? Not surprising if true. You're only young once. Too bad, I liked that about him.

it seems like it. he doesn't yell after a dunk. everything seems toned down.

its what they do in San Antonio too. no showboating, keep it professional. I like it and I don't like - I get what you mean about Scottie Barnes - its seemingly his nature to be like that and thats what I like about him as well.

[will]

Remember when we were all upset on draft night (myself included) that we passed on one of the big 4 for a zero level scorer. Fun times.

Trust Masai.

+10000. Disappointed that the RealGM post history function is down (at least for me?). I would happily dredge up my draft-night posts that expose me as a complete idiot.

The large majority of us (myself included) know in our hearts we were so completely wrong on Barnes/Suggs thus far.

[will]

Have they toned down Scottie's exuberance? Not surprising if true. You're only young once. Too bad, I liked that about him.

it seems like it. he doesn't yell after a dunk. everything seems toned down.

its what they do in San Antonio too. no showboating, keep it professional. I like it and I don't like - I get what you mean about Scottie Barnes - its seemingly his nature to be like that and thats what I like about him as well.

I miss the clapping already.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Have they toned down Scottie's exuberance? Not surprising if true. You're only young once. Too bad, I liked that about him.

it seems like it. he doesn't yell after a dunk. everything seems toned down.

its what they do in San Antonio too. no showboating, keep it professional. I like it and I don't like - I get what you mean about Scottie Barnes - its seemingly his nature to be like that and thats what I like about him as well.

I miss the clapping already.

yes. same. its what was fun about Barnes but I understand why he can't do it. he could get a tech for taunting, down the road etc.

[Brinbe]

Those things will be there when it's his team. Right now it's Fred's team and the club will reorient a bit to fit his ethos. And he is all about hard work, effort and those sort of qualities. So Scottie will take a back seat a bit to accommodate that out of respect.

And it's not necessarily a bad thing to add a smudge of professionalism to things.

But wait 3/4 years when he's maturing into a young man and you'll see it's for the best.

[JN]

I just put $100 down on Scottie Barnes at +600 to win Rookie of the Year.
Seemed like good value.

[will]

it seems like it. he doesn't yell after a dunk. everything seems toned down.

its what they do in San Antonio too. no showboating, keep it professional. I like it and I don't like - I get what you mean about Scottie Barnes - its seemingly his nature to be like that and thats what I like about him as well.

I miss the clapping already.

yes. same. its what was fun about Barnes but I understand why he can't do it. he could get a tech for taunting, down the road etc.

Scottie will eventually grow enough equity with the refs to clap as much as he wants.

[ash_k]

I wanted my Ben Simmons, I got my Ben in Barnes. Exactly the same type of player (PG|SG|SF|PF). The game belongs to them.

Now that some have been humbled. Let's say we would have drafted Suggs and then traded him to Philly for Simmons?
Looking at Suggs right now, what would you be thinking? would you be upset?

Our starting 5 would a NBA finals contender FVV|OG|Simmons|Siakam|Stretch 5
Spare the Hawks series tunnel vision. He averaged a triple-double the round prior

[Madhouse]

As high as I've been on OG, Barnes is a great example of a prospect on a whole other tier -



This is their Rookie stats at the same age. Obviously OG didn't get the same minutes/opportunity but there is no chance he would've been as successful that early in his career. It's only been these last two years that OG has developed a more comfortable handle while Barnes' practically starting off from that point.

I don't believe Barnes will be a better wing defender than OG but will be a more versatile defender when he hits his prime.

Ya even though OG was a lottery level talent before his injury/surgery in college, his handles and jumper were nowhere to be seen until the last 2-3 years. Especially his handles.

He was like 2 years from being 2 years away kinda.

Value at his draft selection is huge value/steal.

If we had put the same responsibilities on OG as a rookie we do on Barnes right now, efficiency and everything else would have looked really bad. Like Suggs now. But everyone develops at his own pace. Unless you are an elite prospect from the jump you will see 2 significant jumps in your game. 1 somewhere from year 4-6 and the 2nd can take until year 8 or so. If OG takes a leap to a fringe All star here in year 5 we still don't have any idea what his ceiling is going to be. He could very well take another leap in 3 years at age 27 and become a superstar. Development in the NBA is a very long process. Siakam took the leap at age 24. We might see more improvement out of him this year.

OG was a great draft pick and is already much better than anyone anticipated when he was drafted. That's why I'm excited about Precious and Trent as well. They are still a good 2-3 years away from taking their first leap like OG is doing right now. I love how Masai is playing the long game and it' s going to pay off as the ceilings will constantly change for players.

[lolwut]

Remember when we were all upset on draft night (myself included) that we passed on one of the big 4 for a zero level scorer. Fun times.

Trust Masai.

+10000. Disappointed that the RealGM post history function is down (at least for me?). I would happily dredge up my draft-night posts that expose me as a complete idiot.

I was rooting for Suggs and called Giddey a bust. Happens to the best of us.

[Rebel INS]

I wanted my Ben Simmons, I got my Ben in Barnes. Exactly the same type of player (PG|SG|SF|PF). The game belongs to them.

Now that some have been humbled. Let's say we would have drafted Suggs and then traded him to Philly for Simmons?
Looking at Suggs right now, what would you be thinking? would you be upset?

Our starting 5 would a NBA finals contender FVV|OG|Simmons|Siakam|Stretch 5
Spare the Hawks series tunnel vision. He averaged a triple-double the round prior

That's an 'all in' move that locks us into 'win now' mode, for a player who hasn't really proven he's the difference between a 'play in'/lower seed ceiling and a finals contender.

I'm probably higher on Simmons relative to majority these days, but any bet on him is contingent on a team building everything around him and crafting a perfect hybrid big/post passer role for him that makes him a non-liability in a slowed down half court playoff setting

And that's not even accounting for the potential intangible/coachability/culture fit issues. I don't think it makes sense for a team to trade real assets for him unless they already have an alpha shot creator and team leader - that can also can play off ball and not take the ball out of Simmons hands. That's a tough needle to thread. If Portland or GSW doesn't trade for him, then it's probably gonna be some middling franchise who doesn't really care about seriously contending

[ATLTimekeeper]

I wanted my Ben Simmons, I got my Ben in Barnes. Exactly the same type of player (PG|SG|SF|PF). The game belongs to them.

Now that some have been humbled. Let's say we would have drafted Suggs and then traded him to Philly for Simmons?
Looking at Suggs right now, what would you be thinking? would you be upset?

Our starting 5 would a NBA finals contender FVV|OG|Simmons|Siakam|Stretch 5
Spare the Hawks series tunnel vision. He averaged a triple-double the round prior

Ben Simmons career 3PTers = 5
Dalano Banton career 3PTers = 3

Keep your triple doubles. I'll take two versions of Simmons that guys actually like playing with. Look at Siakam flying off the bench at every whistle. He wants in. Simmons wants his own team.

[everdiso]

Rookie seasons, per36

Vince (22): 35.2min (25.6usg%), 18.7pts (51.6ts%), 3.0ast (2.3to), 5.8rb (1.9off), 1.1st/1.6bk
Scottie (20): 34.6min (21.0usg%), 17.7pts (57.4ts%), 2.5ast (3.1to), 8.5rb (3.5off), 0.4st/0.6bk
Damon (22): 40.9min (23.5usg%), 16.7pts (52.8ts%), 8.2ast (3.4to), 3.5rb (0.7off), 1.2st/0.2bk
CharlieV (21): 29.1min (21.7usg%), 16.1pts (52.1ts%), 1.3ast (1.5to), 7.9rb (2.8off), 0.9st/1.0bk
Demar (20): 21.6min (18.1usg%), 14.3pts (55.4ts%), 1.1ast (1.3to), 4.8rb (1.4off), 0.9st/0.4bk
Ross (21): 17.0min (19.6usg%), 13.6pts (49.1ts%), 1.5ast (1.4to), 4.2rb (1.0off), 1.2st/0.4bk
Bosh (19): 33.5min (18.3usg%), 12.3pts (51.3ts%), 1.1ast (1.5to), 8.0rb (2.7to), 0.8st/1.5bk
Kawhi (20): 24.0min (14.5usg%), 11.9pts (57.3ts%), 1.6ast (1.0to), 7.7rb (2.4off), 2.0st/0.6bk
Anunoby (20): 20.0min (12.4usg%), 10.6pts (58.7ts%), 1.3ast (1.1to), 4.5rb (1.1off), 1.3st/0.3bk
Siakam (22): 15.6min (13.1usg%), 9.6pts (52.3ts%), 0.7ast (1.4to), 7.8rb (2.7off), 1.1st/1.9bk