Options to fix the PF hole

[nanokooshball]

I think getting Siakam would make us title contenders.
- Somone who could guard Durant, Giannis, Lebron, PG, Kahwai?
- A solid rebounder at the 4; high motor, and can be aggressive offensively
- I also think he would be obtainable without giving up too much

[Andi Obst]

I think getting Siakam would make us title contenders.
- Somone who could guard Durant, Giannis, Lebron, PG, Kahwai?
- A solid rebounder at the 4; high motor, and can be aggressive offensively
- I also think he would be obtainable without giving up too much

I agree with the rest of your post, but not with the bolded part. I think he'd cost more, probably way more, than people think and would probably end up on a team that can make a better offer if he became available.

[NecessaryEvil]

I think getting Siakam would make us title contenders.
- Somone who could guard Durant, Giannis, Lebron, PG, Kahwai?
- A solid rebounder at the 4; high motor, and can be aggressive offensively
- I also think he would be obtainable without giving up too much

I've been calling for this move since the offseason. I asked my person in the know about it and he said they didn't think it was necessary at THAT point.

I wonder what they think now (the FO)

[FriedRise]

I think getting Siakam would make us title contenders.
- Somone who could guard Durant, Giannis, Lebron, PG, Kahwai?
- A solid rebounder at the 4; high motor, and can be aggressive offensively
- I also think he would be obtainable without giving up too much

I agree with the rest of your post, but not with the bolded part. I think he'd cost more, probably way more, than people think and would probably end up on a team that can make a better offer if he became available.

Yeah he makes too much - $33M per year. We'd have to gut our roster to match that (like Lonzo + DJJ + TBJ).

[CoachD]

I'm not clear why people outside Toronto seem to think Siakam is on the block, OR that he can be had cheaply in a trade.

He's a 3 level scorer, that defends 5 positions, and helped inspire the blueprint for the Raptors.

If people think Barnes emerging means there is duplication, then they couldn't be more wrong.

A) They won't play the same position
B) They don't operate from the same places on the floor
C) Masai has said for years he wants a 5 man unit of 6'9" guys with wingspans over 7 feet that can play all 5 positions - and he's basically there.

If Chicago is looking to Toronto for a PF - Boucher is available, but not for scraps. He's a floor spacer and great shot blocker who simply doesn't have a role anymore on Toronto because they are dedicated to guys who do more.

[logical_art]

I'm not clear why people outside Toronto seem to think Siakam is on the block, OR that he can be had cheaply in a trade.

He's a 3 level scorer, that defends 5 positions, and helped inspire the blueprint for the Raptors.

If people think Barnes emerging means there is duplication, then they couldn't be more wrong.

A) They won't play the same position
B) They don't operate from the same places on the floor
C) Masai has said for years he wants a 5 man unit of 6'9" guys with wingspans over 7 feet that can play all 5 positions - and he's basically there.

If Chicago is looking to Toronto for a PF - Boucher is available, but not for scraps. He's a floor spacer and great shot blocker who simply doesn't have a role anymore on Toronto because they are dedicated to guys who do more.

Boucher has terrible lateral movement doesn't he? I don't think he fits well next to an unathletic C like Vuc.

[ikeziskash]

I think Siakam's defense would be a huge help.

How is C. Wood's d? What is the max amount we have able to throw at getting one of these guys?

[Tetlak]

I'm not clear why people outside Toronto seem to think Siakam is on the block, OR that he can be had cheaply in a trade.

He's a 3 level scorer, that defends 5 positions, and helped inspire the blueprint for the Raptors.

If people think Barnes emerging means there is duplication, then they couldn't be more wrong.

A) They won't play the same position
B) They don't operate from the same places on the floor
C) Masai has said for years he wants a 5 man unit of 6'9" guys with wingspans over 7 feet that can play all 5 positions - and he's basically there.

If Chicago is looking to Toronto for a PF - Boucher is available, but not for scraps. He's a floor spacer and great shot blocker who simply doesn't have a role anymore on Toronto because they are dedicated to guys who do more.

Boucher has terrible lateral movement doesn't he? I don't think he fits well next to an unathletic C like Vuc.

If we were to trade for Boucher, I think he'd just be a situational player, so I wouldn't be too worried about it. DJJ has been playing really well at the 4 thus far, at least on defense.

[CoachD]

I'm not clear why people outside Toronto seem to think Siakam is on the block, OR that he can be had cheaply in a trade.

He's a 3 level scorer, that defends 5 positions, and helped inspire the blueprint for the Raptors.

If people think Barnes emerging means there is duplication, then they couldn't be more wrong.

A) They won't play the same position
B) They don't operate from the same places on the floor
C) Masai has said for years he wants a 5 man unit of 6'9" guys with wingspans over 7 feet that can play all 5 positions - and he's basically there.

If Chicago is looking to Toronto for a PF - Boucher is available, but not for scraps. He's a floor spacer and great shot blocker who simply doesn't have a role anymore on Toronto because they are dedicated to guys who do more.

Boucher has terrible lateral movement doesn't he? I don't think he fits well next to an unathletic C like Vuc.

Hard to say.

He didn't in College

In Nurse's defense he struggles but has also mainly played out of position.

He's literally one of the best in the league on long close outs that result in a blocked shot or deflection

[detlef_schrempf]

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. It's weird to see people mentioning Siakam, I don't think that's very realistic.

The Bulls aren't trading Vooch or Lonzo. Anybody who is an actual option for us would need to be acquired with players like Troy Brown, Patrick Williams, Coby White, and Derrick Jones.

Derrick Jones: 9.7
Patrick Williams: 7.4
Coby White: 5.8
Troy Brown 5.2

This is 28.1 million dollars. The Bulls can trade these guys in a deal

The Bulls can essentially acquire a 35.2 million dollar salary by trading these 4 guys, but who is realistic in this scenario? I doubt Toronto would trade him for these 4 guys, the Portland first, and a 2028 unprotected first or something, but maybe. And do we want to give up unprotected firsts far in the future? I guess it depends on how good we are.

There are definitely realistic options that we would be able to acquire for that package, however, and I think AKME fully intends on making a move of a similar type.

If you do not want to include Patrick Williams in a deal, you probably could not get as good of a player in return, but by dealing Jones, White, Brown, and a 4th player like Simonovic, you could bring back a player with a salary up to 27.9 million dollars. What can we get back by dealing these 4 guys, a Portland first, and a distant future first? These are the questions we should ask.

In the end, I trust AKME to make the right moves, AK pushed all the right buttons in Denver and he's doing the same thing here. The Bulls will acquire a player. It's going to depend on how good the Bulls look when the calendar strikes 2022. I don't particularly see the Bulls making a move now if it affects their ability at the deadline to make a big splash.

[sco]

I'm not clear why people outside Toronto seem to think Siakam is on the block, OR that he can be had cheaply in a trade.

He's a 3 level scorer, that defends 5 positions, and helped inspire the blueprint for the Raptors.

If people think Barnes emerging means there is duplication, then they couldn't be more wrong.

A) They won't play the same position
B) They don't operate from the same places on the floor
C) Masai has said for years he wants a 5 man unit of 6'9" guys with wingspans over 7 feet that can play all 5 positions - and he's basically there.

If Chicago is looking to Toronto for a PF - Boucher is available, but not for scraps. He's a floor spacer and great shot blocker who simply doesn't have a role anymore on Toronto because they are dedicated to guys who do more.

Boucher has terrible lateral movement doesn't he? I don't think he fits well next to an unathletic C like Vuc.

If we were to trade for Boucher, I think he'd just be a situational player, so I wouldn't be too worried about it. DJJ has been playing really well at the 4 thus far, at least on defense.

I'm rooting hard for DJJ to step-up and snag the starting PF gig. I don't mind the timeshare with Green, but DJJ has some elite length to couple with athleticism and BBIQ. I think Green has been great too.

[GoBlue72391]

If Thibs won't play you, you're trash.

Except that he's literally started trash before in the form of Keith Bogans and Ronnie Brewer.

Those guys could play defense. Thibs doesn't care about offense, if a guy plays good D he's going to give them minutes.

[GoBlue72391]

DJJ...mike drop

Yeah, no need to make any panic trades right now. Our in-house options might be good enough. I hate to say it, but I think we're a better team with JaVonte+DJJ getting the PF minutes over PWill+JaVonte. DJJ is too good to be getting DNP-CD'd. I wouldn't be surprised if DJJ eventually overtakes JaVonte for the starting spot.

[jmajew]

DJJ...mike drop

Yeah, no need to make any panic trades right now. Our in-house options might be good enough. I hate to say it, but I think we're a better team with JaVonte+DJJ getting the PF minutes over PWill+JaVonte. DJJ is too good to be getting DNP-CD'd. I wouldn't be surprised if DJJ eventually overtakes JaVonte for the starting spot.

I couldn't agree more. DJJ with his 7 ft wingspan can play the 4 for us no problem. He is actually a better fit than JaVonte. I expect DJJ to be closing out games with the starters in the future.

I did say before we could trade him for Derrick Favors, but I'd rather keep him at this point and hope for a buyout candidate to backup Vucevic.

[Andi Obst]

DJJ...mike drop

Yeah, no need to make any panic trades right now. Our in-house options might be good enough. I hate to say it, but I think we're a better team with JaVonte+DJJ getting the PF minutes over PWill+JaVonte. DJJ is too good to be getting DNP-CD'd. I wouldn't be surprised if DJJ eventually overtakes JaVonte for the starting spot.

I couldn't agree more. DJJ with his 7 ft wingspan can play the 4 for us no problem. He is actually a better fit than JaVonte. I expect DJJ to be closing out games with the starters in the future.

I did say before we could trade him for Derrick Favors, but I'd rather keep him at this point and hope for a buyout candidate to backup Vucevic.

DJJ is better than Favors, healthier than Favors, doesn’t have a 10 mil player for next year and can actually play the 4, which Favors can not do anymore. That’s an easy decision.

[StunnerKO]

Is it crazy that this game was from Jan

Watch on YouTube

[ikeziskash]

Is it crazy that this game was from Jan

Watch on YouTube

That guy looks absurdly slow to me.

[coldfish]

I'm not clear why people outside Toronto seem to think Siakam is on the block, OR that he can be had cheaply in a trade.

He's a 3 level scorer, that defends 5 positions, and helped inspire the blueprint for the Raptors.

If people think Barnes emerging means there is duplication, then they couldn't be more wrong.

A) They won't play the same position
B) They don't operate from the same places on the floor
C) Masai has said for years he wants a 5 man unit of 6'9" guys with wingspans over 7 feet that can play all 5 positions - and he's basically there.

If Chicago is looking to Toronto for a PF - Boucher is available, but not for scraps. He's a floor spacer and great shot blocker who simply doesn't have a role anymore on Toronto because they are dedicated to guys who do more.

1. I don't think Siakam is available. Toronto is going to have a fine team this year with room to improve in the future. They aren't tanking.

2. Chicago's issues with Boucher are the same as Toronto's. He isn't going to be the type of player that the Bulls want. AKME has pretty much the same vision for team building as Masai as far as player types. Probably with the exception of looking for a big man to occupy the middle like Jokic in Denver (AK was there) or Vucevic.

[The Evidence]

Those guys could play defense. Thibs doesn't care about offense, if a guy plays good D he's going to give them minutes.

Thats exactly why Thibs player evaluations are worthless to me.

He idiotically threw Lavine into the Butler trade like a bag of chips

[GoBlue72391]

Those guys could play defense. Thibs doesn't care about offense, if a guy plays good D he's going to give them minutes.

Thats exactly why Thibs player evaluations are worthless to me.

He idiotically threw Lavine into the Butler trade like a bag of chips

I don't think that's what happened. From what I recall, we wanted Wiggins but they weren't willing to part with him but were willing to part with Zach. Hindsight is 20/20, but at the time I can see why they preferred Wiggins over Zach. You have to remember that Wiggins was the consensus 1st overall pick the year he was drafted and was considered a generational talent at the time, while Zach was an athletic but raw skinny combo guard who didn't start in college and was barely a lottery pick. Thibs gets the most out of his players and turns underachievers into overachievers.