Official Spec Thread: Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0

The Effect · Post #901 » by **The Effect** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 10:44 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:So according to the Magic PR Twitter account this is the first time in Franzhise history that we have made atleast 15+ 3s in 4 consecutive games....have we finally joined the modern NBA???

Sent from my Pixel 5 using RealGM mobile app

Go figure all we needed was to not run everything through a Center based half court offense and to hire a coach younger than 50 years old.

Crazy!

The Effect · Post #902 » by **The Effect** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 10:44 pm

What is all this RAPTOR stuff?

basketballRob · Post #903 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 10:55 pm

The Effect wrote:What is all this RAPTOR stuff?

It's a formula that fivethirtyeight uses to rank players each year. Right now Cole is the 8th best player in the league.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM Forums mobile app

Post #904 » by **SOUL** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 12:13 am

Cole has one of the highest +/- in the league as well which isn't always that great of a stat, but he's literally the only one from a bad team that is in the top 15-20

Blue_and_Whte · Post #905 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:44 am

The Effect wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:So according to the Magic PR Twitter account this is the first time in Franzhise history that we have made atleast 15+ 3s in 4 consecutive games....have we finally joined the modern NBA???

Sent from my Pixel 5 using RealGM mobile app

Go figure all we needed was to not run everything through a Center based half court offense and to hire a coach younger than 50 years old.

Crazy!

We’ll our center was one of our best 3 pt shooters/scorers on the team, and Mosley’s 43 so I’m not sure what we’re going to do if he’s still here when he turns 50 since that’s when our minds collapse apparently.

p0peye · Post #906 » by **p0peye** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 10:56 am

Are we really gonna blame Vučević and Clifford for having a team full of non-shooters? Wow.

We have Anthony and Franz shooting the lights out in these 8 games. It is not going to stick, we will be among worst 3pt shooting teams in the league once again.

pepe1991 · Post #907 » by **pepe1991** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 12:04 pm

During opening 8 games of 2018-19 season Orlando shot 36,6% .
This year so far , we shoot 37%.

...

I really struggle to understand usage of data when we are yet to play 10% of total games :dontknow:

You have team like Lakers, who's schedule has been joke ( Houston, Houston, OKC, Cavs, Spurs ) and their data would suggest they are doing well. But eye test and how they play against even mediocre teams tells different story.

basketballRob · Post #908 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 12:19 pm

So far we've played against 3 top 10 defenses and San Antonio is 15th.

I'm looking forward to playing some bad defenses.

http://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff/order/false

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM Forums mobile app

jezzerinho · Post #909 » by **jezzerinho** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 12:23 pm

It's too early for conclusions but not too early for optimism.

drsd · Post #910 » by **drsd** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 12:24 pm

basketballRob wrote:
The Effect wrote:What is all this RAPTOR stuff?
It's a formula that fivethirtyeight uses to rank players each year. Right now Cole is the 8th best player in the league.

one RAPTOR link

..

pepe1991 · Post #911 » by **pepe1991** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 12:40 pm

drsd wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
The Effect wrote:What is all this RAPTOR stuff?
It's a formula that fivethirtyeight uses to rank players each year. Right now Cole is the 8th best player in the league.

one RAPTOR link

..

Don't trust data that says Devonte Graham and Buddy Hield are better than Lebron :lol:

i like raptor data but as with everything, we simply need more than 92 min minimum to be ranked

JBSouthpaw · Post #912 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 1:06 pm

pepe1991 wrote:During opening 8 games of 2018-19 season Orlando shot 36,6% .
This year so far , we shoot 37%.

...

I really struggle to understand usage of data when we are yet to play 10% of total games

You have team like Lakers, who's schedule has been joke ( Houston, Houston, OKC, Cavs, Spurs ) and their data would suggest they are doing well. But eye test and how they play against even mediocre teams tells different story.

8 games is enough to establish a trend, you are right that it isn't complete, but right now that is the trending pattern of this team.

Yes teams are going to figure out how to guard Cole and Franz and our front court as they play the Magic, most likely creating another trend. It will be the staff's job to make adjustments to those adjustments creating a new trend..good or bad.
just like within a game, it comes down to the adjustments made to the current flow of the game(trend).

Optimus_Steel · Post #913 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 1:18 pm

p0peye wrote:Are we really gonna blame Vučević and Clifford for having a team full of non-shooters? Wow.

We have Anthony and Franz shooting the lights out in these 8 games. It is not going to stick, we will be among worst 3pt shooting teams in the league once again.

Yea its not their fault we spent years drafting non shooters hoping they would figure out how to shoot.

drsd · Post #914 » by **drsd** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 1:25 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Don't trust data that says Devonte Graham and Buddy Hield are better than Lebron

i like raptor data but as with everything, we simply need more than 92 min minimum to be ranked

Are you honestly questioning LeMelo Ball as the NBA's 4th best player ????

Dude: Cole Anthony ranks 7th in RAPTOR. That's crazy.

..

JBSouthpaw · Post #915 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 1:39 pm

drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Don't trust data that says Devonte Graham and Buddy Hield are better than Lebron

i like raptor data but as with everything, we simply need more than 92 min minimum to be ranked

Are you honestly questioning LeMelo Ball as the NBA's 4th best player ????

Dude: Cole Anthony ranks 7th in RAPTOR. That's crazy.

..

It looks like he's ranked 35th. the stats are defaulted to WAR, where he is 7th.
If you sort by total overall RAPTOR, he's 35th.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

JTG_92940618 · Post #916 » by **JTG_92940618** » Thu Nov 4, 2021 5:42 am

I'm not sure exactly what this thread is for but have you guys seen this?

"Almost that time"

drsd · Post #917 » by **drsd** » Thu Nov 4, 2021 11:47 pm

JTG_92940618 wrote:I'm not sure exactly what this thread is for but have you guys seen this?

"Almost that time"

So Fultz returns and Isaac does not ?!?!??!?

The Effect · Post #918 » by **The Effect** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 8:10 pm

Jesus there are some miserable people on here

Even when people find ANYTHING about this sorry ass team to be excited about, here come the "well its only 8 games in, means nothing"

Well ****, i guess we should all just look at the negative when it comes to everyhting and give up on this team already

****!

pepe1991 · Post #919 » by **pepe1991** » Sat Nov 6, 2021 4:59 pm

10 games into a season and forums are mostly empty...woof. That's why i hate rebuilds.

Post #920 » by **Knightro** » Sat Nov 6, 2021 5:25 pm

Best 2-Man Lineups (min 50 minutes)
Anthony/M. Wagner +29.9 in 56 minutes
Anthony/Suggs +12.8 in 176 minutes
Suggs/F. Wagner +8.9 in 208 minutes
Anthony/F. Wagner +4.6 in 242 minutes
Suggs/Bamba +3.4 in 228 minutes

Worst 2-Man Lineups (min 50 minutes)
Harris/Ross -50.0 in 59 minutes
Ross/Lopez -46.7 in 52 minutes
Harris/F. Wagner -36.7 in 55 minutes
Hampton/Ross -33.1 in 119 minutes
Harris/Bamba -27.9 in 55 minutes

It genuinely cannot be overstated how absolutely horrifically rotten Terrence Ross and Gary Harris have been for the Magic.

Terrence Ross has a -21.6 NET in 264 minutes played. Harris has only played 105 minutes, but has somehow been even worse than Ross, putting up a -38.6 NET.

These numbers are just so jarringly bad. Ross needs to be traded and Harris needs to be mercifully removed from the rotation as soon as possible.