Scottie Barnes

[yoyoboy]

His success all depends on whether he can become a scoring threat in the half court. He seems to have the type of personality where you would bet on him being able to do that, but he did look very unnatural trying to score against a set defense in college and nothing is guaranteed obviously.

[Big J]

His success all depends on whether he can become a scoring threat in the half court. He seems to have the type of personality where you would bet on him being able to do that, but he did look very unnatural trying to score against a set defense in college and nothing is guaranteed obviously.

Why does he need to score in the half court? He's going to get a ton of buckets on the break, so scoring in the half court is just a bonus with him.

[BlazersBroncos]

Why does he need to score in the half court? He's going to get a ton of buckets on the break, so scoring in the half court is just a bonus with him.

A truly above average NBA player should ideally be able to score in both situations. You dont want someone to handicap the way your team can play.

Freak took the leap when he began to understand how to score in the halfcourt.

[yoyoboy]

His success all depends on whether he can become a scoring threat in the half court. He seems to have the type of personality where you would bet on him being able to do that, but he did look very unnatural trying to score against a set defense in college and nothing is guaranteed obviously.

Why does he need to score in the half court? He's going to get a ton of buckets on the break, so scoring in the half court is just a bonus with him.

I mean if he can’t score in the half court, then his playmaking, basketball IQ, and defense would have to translate absolutely perfectly just for him to become as effective as the current version of Draymond Green, who’s an outlier. His pathway to star impact is much more straightforward if he develops into a decent scorer than if he has to try to mimic this iteration of Green that can’t score anymore.

[Big J]

His success all depends on whether he can become a scoring threat in the half court. He seems to have the type of personality where you would bet on him being able to do that, but he did look very unnatural trying to score against a set defense in college and nothing is guaranteed obviously.

Why does he need to score in the half court? He's going to get a ton of buckets on the break, so scoring in the half court is just a bonus with him.

I mean if he can’t score in the half court, then his playmaking, basketball IQ, and defense would have to translate absolutely perfectly just for him to become as effective as the current version of Draymond Green, who’s an outlier. His pathway to star impact is much more straightforward if he develops into a decent scorer than if he has to try to mimic this iteration of Green that can’t score anymore.

All he needs to do is develop a euro step and he can Giannis his way to the hoop for 15 a game. Everything on top of that is found money.

[DCasey91]

Barnes is more the 10-12/7/7 range imo. He’s not a scoring threat in College and is a bad shooter from touch all the way to mechanics.

Basically take away his right he can’t score and isn’t comfortable either when score creating. A lot nuances goes into someone’s offensive capability.

Ben is a big play him like the only big on the floor, even with a busted shot that he doesn’t use anyway he puts up 17- 21 a game when Embiid is out. Same numbers or near about his college statline 19-10-5. It’s 18/8/8 in the NBA when Embiid sits or doesn’t play which is a constant 1/3 or 33%.

Barnes from personality to mannerisms to overall floor game is exactly Draymond Green here. That’s no criticism on either Barnes or Draymond.

It’s the prospect your’e getting here.

[Chuck Everett]

NBA teams don't fast break like that. Maybe like less than 25 points per game are scored in transition without a defense getting back.

[MemphisX]

The fact that nobody on this board saw this coming with Barnes is a testament on how much of an outlier this is in terms of development. Because there were a lot of folks who LOVED Scottie through the draft process and none thought this would happen this soon.

[Bruin]

I was ridiculed on this exact thread for saying I see some similarities to Giannis in the way he attacks the rim

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[fteru6uhre54ew]

I was ridiculed on this exact thread for saying I see some similarities to Giannis in the way he attacks the rim

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You trippin

[Bruin]

I was ridiculed on this exact thread for saying I see some similarities to Giannis in the way he attacks the rim

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You trippin

lol ok bud. Just btw similarities does not equal identical

[fteru6uhre54ew]

I was ridiculed on this exact thread for saying I see some similarities to Giannis in the way he attacks the rim

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You trippin

lol ok bud. Just btw similarities does not equal identical

Giannis is a 7ft 280 pounds force of the nature. He never going to attack the basket like Giannis is physically impossible more a 6'8 or 6'9 guy.

[Bruin]

You trippin

lol ok bud. Just btw similarities does not equal identical

Giannis is a 7ft 280 pounds force of the nature. He never going to attack the basket like Giannis is physically impossible more a 6'8 or 6'9 guy.

I mean the clip I linked looks comparable to plays from Giannis but whatever man. Not gonna bother spending time tryna convince you. Cheers

[fteru6uhre54ew]

lol ok bud. Just btw similarities does not equal identical

Giannis is a 7ft 280 pounds force of the nature. He never going to attack the basket like Giannis is physically impossible more a 6'8 or 6'9 guy.

I mean the clip I linked looks comparable to plays from Giannis but whatever man. Not gonna bother spending time tryna convince you. Cheers

You have to convice me that this kid attack the basket inside like Giannis?

[Marcus]

So far with the consistency on his jumper Scottie has passed up what i expected him to bring day one. i figured this was coming in a couple years after he got the lay of the land and found his niche but he's put some serious work into his touch and the fluidity of the jumper in general. Still not a main piece go to guy type scorer for me but this added element of him having to be someone you absolutely have to pay attention to expands his elite guy glue ceiling I had placed on him.

Love the fact that Nurse has essentially rolled the ball out and let Scottie be Scottie (as is this is the most effective way to use him) but i commend the kid for the hard work and love watching the IQ on full display especially off ball. He's well aware of his 500 hour shots and does a excellent job of getting to those comfort zones on the floor when he's off ball. The rest of what we knew about his game has been there and all of this is going to get better with time and with how hard the kid works.

[ItsDanger]

Exceeded my expectations on offense. I figured 2 seasons to get to around 15 PPG on good efficiency. More of a classic PF game right now. Off the ball a lot. But his high post face up shot is money already. 3 pt is not there yet. But he's showing great scoring instincts in the paint. He embraces contact which is important for scorers of his size. Lot of marshmallow bigs these days.

[CptCrunch]

I think everyone missed out on Barnes' passion/personality. If he is as excited about training and practice than he is about games, then Raptors got a great one.

Barnes has this unbridled innocence thing going on for him. Dani Rojas from from Ted Lasso. Football is life.

[clyde21]

his shooting and ball skills in general developed at a rapid pace this off-season, I think even his biggest fans have been a bit surprised at what they've seen from him offensively at this point.

on defense and as a creator, as good as advertised as well all knew. he might legit be a better version of Draymond tbh if the offense/shooting holds up long term.

[God Squad]

The fact that nobody on this board saw this coming with Barnes is a testament on how much of an outlier this is in terms of development. Because there were a lot of folks who LOVED Scottie through the draft process and none thought this would happen this soon.

His development as a scorer doesn't make sense to me. I don't know how he progressed so far in one summer. His jumper and offense in general looked suspect. Frankly he didn't have a scorers mentality, so I thought him developing that would take some time. IMO hes definitely and outlier. He was known as

- Great defender
- Great Teamate
- Great assist turnover ratio
- Decent/good ball handler
- Freak Measurements
- Can't shoot
-awkward creating shots for himself
- Pass first mentality

I don't know if its Barnes and his camp, or Nurse and the Raptors. But whoever changed his "mentality" deserves huge credit. Also this kid has a mans body and absorbing contact seems easy for him. I must really suck at evaluating prospects, because his development or NBA game compared to college has be perplexed. Never did I think he'd match up with Tatum and lock him up as a rook. I thought him averaging 10ppg would be a win in his first year. If he keeps this up i'm going to have to reevaluate his ceiling and how I look at prospects in terms of transferable skills to the next level.

His 3 needs reps and time, but his midy is money and his inside game/rebounding is money.

[Marcus]

The fact that nobody on this board saw this coming with Barnes is a testament on how much of an outlier this is in terms of development. Because there were a lot of folks who LOVED Scottie through the draft process and none thought this would happen this soon.

His development as a scorer doesn't make sense to me. I don't know how he progressed so far in one summer. His jumper and offense in general looked suspect. Frankly he didn't have a scorers mentality, so I thought him developing that would take some time. IMO hes definitely and outlier. He was known as

- Great defender
- Great Teamate
- Great assist turnover ratio
- Decent/good ball handler
- Freak Measurements
- Can't shoot
-awkward creating shots for himself
- Pass first mentality

I don't know if its Barnes and his camp, or Nurse and the Raptors. But whoever changed his "mentality" deserves huge credit. Also this kid has a mans body and absorbing contact seems easy for him. I must really suck at evaluating prospects, because his development or NBA game compared to college has be perplexed. Never did I think he'd match up with Tatum and lock him up as a rook. I thought him averaging 10ppg would be a win in his first year. If he keeps this up i'm going to have to reevaluate his ceiling and how I look at prospects in terms of transferable skills to the next level.

His 3 needs reps and time, but his midy is money and his inside game/rebounding is money.

it's not just you my friend. Scottie has been my favorite player in this class for around 3 to 4 years now and even I didn't see him taking this large of a leap this quickly with his shooting. This doesn't even look like a hot streak either. This looks sustainable because of how he's getting it done. In terms of maintaining this level I think it comes down to him adjusting to the league adjusting to him. That's the part that i'm sitting back and watching for. That's when we start talking about where he lands in terms of option placement on a team. If Scottie can make that leap into a legit number one we're all wearing egg on the face. Haters and lovers alike.