2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

falcolombardi · Post #281 » by **falcolombardi** » Mon Nov 8, 2021 9:22 pm

should we start to worry a bit about bucks or is just early season issues after a long run + injuries?

Post #282 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Mon Nov 8, 2021 10:21 pm

falcolombardi wrote:should we start to worry a bit about bucks or is just early season issues after a long run + injuries?

Nah I'd need to see a reasonable sample size of them healthy before forming an opinion.

RCM88x · Post #283 » by **RCM88x** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 4:43 am

Starting to think AD just isn't that good anymore, the big-time plays he's know for are few and far between.
Defensively it's almost like he's not a factor and his shot has been wack for almost a whole season at this point.

falcolombardi · Post #284 » by **falcolombardi** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 4:46 am

i feel like i am taking crazy pills with how everyone is cwlwbrating jokic foul on morris

morris foul to stop the faatbreak didnt even look that bad, jokic push from behind on the other hand could have easily injured morris

if the roles were reversed i think people would be asking for morris to receive jail time

i dont think jokic is a dirty player and i acnowledge the morris twinsa have a history of dirty play, but jokic really lost his mind there

Post #285 » by **Doctor MJ** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:02 am

falcolombardi wrote:i feel like i am taking crazy pills with how everyone is cwlwbrating jokic foul on morris

morris foul to stop the faatbreak didnt even look that bad, jokic push from behind on the other hand could have easily injured morris

if the roles were reversed i think people would be asking for morris to receive jail time

i dont think jokic is a dirty player and i acnowledge the morris twinsa have a history of dirty play, but jokic really lost his mind there

I'd agree Jokic lost it there, and should get some sort of punishment for it, but clearly Morris did something that set him off even if we couldn't quite tell what it was.

Re: receiving jail time. I'm sure you're exaggerating here, but here's what I'll say:

I was shocked at how hard Jokic was able to hit Morris without actually hitting him. Yeah he's a big dude, but Jokic looked like he really knew what he was doing with that shoulder. There are a lot of big men in the league with great strength but without much experience with actual violence - because nobody messed with them - I would say Jokic is not one of them.

And while I don't want to say this was a "smart" thing - because it shows he can be gotten to, and so opponents will keep doing it - but it clearly sends a "Don't F with that guy" message to rest of the league.

falcolombardi · Post #286 » by **falcolombardi** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:10 am

the jail thingh was a joke. i meant that if the roles were reversed the takes on the foul would change a lot

Post #287 » by **Doctor MJ** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:15 am

falcolombardi wrote:the jail thingh was a joke. i meant that if the roles were reversed the takes on the foul would change a lot

Makes sense, but of course a major part of that is that the Morris brothers have that terrible reputation. They lost the benefit of the doubt a long time ago.

Colbinii · Post #288 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:22 am

falcolombardi wrote:i feel like i am taking crazy pills with how everyone is cwlwbrating jokic foul on morris

morris foul to stop the faatbreak didnt even look that bad, jokic push from behind on the other hand could have easily injured morris

if the roles were reversed i think people would be asking for morris to receive jail time

i dont think jokic is a dirty player and i acnowledge the morris twinsa have a history of dirty play, but jokic really lost his mind there

You don't stop a fast break by leading with your shoulder and then extending your elbow into the side of a player.

You stop a fastbreak by wrapping up or reaching in on an arm.

What Morris did was dirty and if you can't see that then you need to watch the replay of what Morris did--not what Jokic did.

What Jokic did was a retaliation to a dirty play--which is not justification for his action--but watch Morris' play as its own and its dirty.

Peregrine01 · Post #289 » by **Peregrine01** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 6:48 am

I'd add that there was probably a lot leading up to the incident as well.

I think Jokic is fed up with how much he's hacked while getting little calls. If the refs aren't doing anything about it sometimes you have to be your own enforcer. Good on him for standing up for himself.

GSP · Post #290 » by **GSP** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 7:29 am

falcolombardi wrote:i feel like i am taking crazy pills with how everyone is cwlwbrating jokic foul on morris

morris foul to stop the faatbreak didnt even look that bad, jokic push from behind on the other hand could have easily injured morris

if the roles were reversed i think people would be asking for morris to receive jail time

i dont think jokic is a dirty player and i acnowledge the morris twinsa have a history of dirty play, but jokic really lost his mind there

Read on Twitter

Nah that was a bad hit by Kieff. Not only the elbow but look at the knee on knee action.....and Jokic missed time for a knee injury earlier this season too

Post #291 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 1:35 pm

RCM88x wrote:Starting to think AD just isn't that good anymore, the big-time plays he's know for are few and far between.
Defensively it's almost like he's not a factor and his shot has been wack for almost a whole season at this point.

Agree, I think LA should trade him to the Wizards and get back Kuzma, KCP, and Harrell. :clown:

RCM88x · Post #292 » by **RCM88x** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 2:01 pm

penbeast0 wrote:
RCM88x wrote:Starting to think AD just isn't that good anymore, the big-time plays he's know for are few and far between.
Defensively it's almost like he's not a factor and his shot has been wack for almost a whole season at this point.

Agree, I think LA should trade him to the Wizards and get back Kuzma, KCP, and Harrell.

Honestly if they could also get rid of Westbrook in the process it would probably be a net gain.

Post #293 » by **Doctor MJ** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 2:14 pm

GSP wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:i feel like i am taking crazy pills with how everyone is cwlwbrating jokic foul on morris

morris foul to stop the faatbreak didnt even look that bad, jokic push from behind on the other hand could have easily injured morris

if the roles were reversed i think people would be asking for morris to receive jail time

i dont think jokic is a dirty player and i acnowledge the morris twinsa have a history of dirty play, but jokic really lost his mind there

Read on Twitter

Nah that was a bad hit by Kieff. Not only the elbow but look at the knee on knee action.....and Jokic missed time for a knee injury earlier this season too

Wow okay yeah. The knee thing is something I hadn’t been focusing on, and that’s absolutely something that can cause injury.

Jokic should be punished still, but I’d say Morris needs comparable punishment.

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eminence · Post #294 » by **eminence** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 2:21 pm

Yeah, both should be suspended.

Hope it brings some attention to the fact that a lot of those 'take' fouls in transition are fairly dangerous plays.

Would like to see as few intentional fouls in basketball as possible.

Heej · Post #295 » by **Heej** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 4:27 pm

My super hot take right now is that D Rose is the best point guard to ever come off the bench in NBA history. Dude would smoke A LOT of starters in the league right now. Hell, he's the best point guard in his own team lol.

Post #296 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 4:28 pm

falcolombardi wrote:i feel like i am taking crazy pills with how everyone is cwlwbrating jokic foul on morris

morris foul to stop the faatbreak didnt even look that bad, jokic push from behind on the other hand could have easily injured morris

if the roles were reversed i think people would be asking for morris to receive jail time

i dont think jokic is a dirty player and i acnowledge the morris twinsa have a history of dirty play, but jokic really lost his mind there

I'm fine with calling it an overreaction by jokic, but known dirty player Markieff Morris made a dirty play and baited him into it. You need the watch it again. He went up into his ribs with his arm and also clipped him in the knee. It wasn't a normal foul to stop play at all.

Post #297 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 4:35 pm

Heej wrote:My super hot take right now is that D Rose is the best point guard to ever come off the bench in NBA history. Dude would smoke A LOT of starters in the league right now. Hell, he's the best point guard in his own team lol.

I don't know about that lol but yeah, I wrote about him on the GB the other day. He's been very good:

Yep, for anyone who's actually paid attention, he's totally revamped his game. You have the pull-up three-point shooting which is obviously new, but his under the rim game is amazing. He still has a great first step and has figured out how to take advantage of the defense without his leaping ability. He can stop on a dime and hit these little turn around push shots right in the paint. He has great touch around the basket and is still a solid finisher.

And no, he should not be starting. He's in the perfect role constantly attacking and actually passing when the opportunity presents itself. There are enough playmakers in the starting lineup where he wouldn't be as effective. The connection he has with thibs is clearly strong because it makes a huge difference. He's as even keeled as they get as this point in his career.

[I'll also note that rose was relatively awful for the Knicks in his first stint here. Only his stans can't see the difference in his play now vs back then.]

parsnips33 · Post #298 » by **parsnips33** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:06 pm

Trae Young is so good with the ball in his hands it's ridiculous. The first half battle between him and Steph was so fun

Mos_Heat · Post #299 » by **Mos_Heat** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:07 pm

RCM88x wrote:Starting to think AD just isn't that good anymore, the big-time plays he's know for are few and far between.
Defensively it's almost like he's not a factor and his shot has been wack for almost a whole season at this point.

I agree mostly, but he's playing a lot with DJ and Melo and Bazemore at SF, it's really hard to do anything on defense with this type of frontcourt

Post #300 » by **Outside** » Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:15 pm

The thing with the Morris-Jokic situation I don't see brought up is time and score. It happened with 2:39 left in the 4th and the Nuggets up by 17. Game is decided, and there's no reason for a take foul of any kind at that point, let alone a cheap shot one. But Morris gotta Morris.