Official Celtics 2022 Off-Season Thread

[Fierce1]

It is what it is, man.

Resorting to childish acts won't change the facts.

[Bad-Thoma]

It is what it is, man.

Resorting to childish acts won't change the facts.

[zoyathedestroya]

Lineups with Schroder-Richardson-Smart trio are so far outscoring opponents by 27.5 points per 100 possessions (100th percentile). For 3 guys who can't shoot, their offensive rating of 125.3 (100th percentile) is not all that bad lol. Ime's bet on the right vets is so far working, fans twisting themselves into a pretzel notwithstanding.

Horford-Timelord combo holding strong defensively (180 possessions so far). Defensive rating of 89.5, good for 100th percentile.

[Fierce1]

Lineups with Schroder-Richardson-Smart trio are so far outscoring opponents by 27.5 points per 100 possessions (100th percentile). For 3 guys who can't shoot, their offensive rating of 125.3 (100th percentile) is not all that bad lol. Ime's bet on the right vets is so far working, fans twisting themselves into a pretzel notwithstanding.

Horford-Timelord combo holding strong defensively (180 possessions so far). Defensive rating of 89.5, good for 100th percentile.

Schroder and Richardson have been improving as the season progresses.

Smart on the other hand is still shooting poorly.

But if Smart stays under control, like in the Toronto game, Celts can live with his poor shooting.

Horford and Rob are the reason why I think the Celts can go far in the playoffs if the outside shooting of the Celts improve.

[chrisab123]

Yeah, lets not include shots that go in. It will absolutely make the stat more accurate if we don't.

I mean if you just take away all the ones that go in he's shooting 0% from 3 and that's pretty bad.

I don't understand why both of you can't admit that those 3 players are really not shooting the ball well.

Marcus is the most popular player on the board and can do no wrong. Doesn’t matter if hes shooting 30 or 15% he's the embodiment of blue collar Boston sports. Fans haven't seen a dirt dog like him since Trot Nixon so obviously he gets flowers daily. I think hes a very valuable role player but somehow he feels like he's a top option on this team when it shouldn't be the case.

[zoyathedestroya]

Lineups with Schroder-Richardson-Smart trio are so far outscoring opponents by 27.5 points per 100 possessions (100th percentile). For 3 guys who can't shoot, their offensive rating of 125.3 (100th percentile) is not all that bad lol. Ime's bet on the right vets is so far working, fans twisting themselves into a pretzel notwithstanding.

Horford-Timelord combo holding strong defensively (180 possessions so far). Defensive rating of 89.5, good for 100th percentile.

Schroder and Richardson have been improving as the season progresses.

Smart on the other hand is still shooting poorly.

But if Smart stays under control, like in the Toronto game, Celts can live with his poor shooting.

Horford and Rob are the reason why I think the Celts can go far in the playoffs if the outside shooting of the Celts improve.

It would be nice to have as many 40%+ 3-pt shooters on the floor most times, but as we've seen countless times in the past, 3-pt shooting isn't everything when it comes to running an efficient offense. They have to do other stuff too. (Another reason why Pritchard and Nesmith have had less opportunities so far. PP has sick range, but what else can he do? Can't even get past his man with his dribble. Can be abused on D. Can't really run PnR and is easily countered with length.)

As in the case of these three guys, while none of them can really stroke it from three with regularity, their defensive pressure can lead to easy scores in transition. All three have the ability to drive-and-kick and shift the defense for open looks (not just beyond the arc). Schroder, while too ballhoggy for my taste, can break down the defense with his dribble. He also has great synergy with Horford. Richardson and Smart make quick decisions with the ball. In this right system, that trio has thrived so far despite the poor shooting. Our offense has been way less stagnant compared to last season, as far as I've seen.

[Bad-Thoma]

I mean if you just take away all the ones that go in he's shooting 0% from 3 and that's pretty bad.

I don't understand why both of you can't admit that those 3 players are really not shooting the ball well.

Marcus is the most popular player on the board and can do no wrong. Doesn’t matter if hes shooting 30 or 15% he's the embodiment of blue collar Boston sports. Fans haven't seen a dirt dog like him since Trot Nixon so obviously he gets flowers daily. I think hes a very valuable role player but somehow he feels like he's a top option on this team when it shouldn't be the case.

[zoyathedestroya]

Small sample still so far, but peep the 1st two lines with Smart in the lineups:



EDIT: And notice the net ratings on the last two lines when Smart is OFF the court.

[Feed Your Head]

I don't understand why both of you can't admit that those 3 players are really not shooting the ball well.

Marcus is the most popular player on the board and can do no wrong. Doesn’t matter if hes shooting 30 or 15% he's the embodiment of blue collar Boston sports. Fans haven't seen a dirt dog like him since Trot Nixon so obviously he gets flowers daily. I think hes a very valuable role player but somehow he feels like he's a top option on this team when it shouldn't be the case.

Fun fact, Marcus is taking the least amount of shots per 36 of his career. But sure, let’s keep pretending he’s acting like a he is a focal point shooting the ball.

[Fierce1]

Small sample still so far, but peep the 1st two lines with Smart in the lineups:



EDIT: And notice the net ratings on the last two lines when Smart is OFF the court.

That stat is misleading because it only involves, Schroder, Smart, and Richardson.

I'm sure the numbers would be different if it's Malcolm Brogdon, Schroder, and Richardson.

We already know what Smart, Schroder, and Richardson are capable of.

I think the majority will agree that the Celts will even be better if the Celts have SGA or Brogdon instead of Smart.

But you're right, according to the stats, Celts are better off with Smart on, if it's between Smart, Schroder, and Richardson.

In the end it will be down to wins and losses.

So far the Celts are below .500 after 10 games with Smart, Schroder, and Richardson.

Let's see after 20 games if they get better, stay the same, or get worse.

It's simple, if Celts are winning games, like in 2019-20, there will be a lot less Celtic fans complaining about the lack of shooting.

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[Fierce1]

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Rob's getting better.

If he and Al are healthy come playoff time, a deep playoff run is a strong possibility.

[zoyathedestroya]

Bad-Thoma had the right idea. My mistake for bothering.

[Fierce1]

In the end it's still about wins and losses.

It's a different story if the Celts are winning games and fans still keep complaining about certain Celtic players.

Some Celtic fans will not be happy if the Celts are just a below .500 team, no matter what the stats say.

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Lineups with Schroder-Richardson-Smart trio are so far outscoring opponents by 27.5 points per 100 possessions (100th percentile). For 3 guys who can't shoot, their offensive rating of 125.3 (100th percentile) is not all that bad lol. Ime's bet on the right vets is so far working, fans twisting themselves into a pretzel notwithstanding.

Horford-Timelord combo holding strong defensively (180 possessions so far). Defensive rating of 89.5, good for 100th percentile.

But, but, but...spacing..um, shooting. I, um..

[Celts17Pride]

November 11th:

Celtics 11th Def Eff.
Celtics 23rd Off Eff.

Defensive effort has picked up big time. Celtics should be a Top 5 defense. I'll say it every day until it happens, Celtics and Stevens need to find players that can shoot the ball and take the offensive burden off of Tatum and Brown.

P.S. Unless you can get an Embiid, Jokic etc. you can do a lot worst than the Horford/RW3 combo. Both have been fantastic!

[Feed Your Head]

November 11th:

Celtics 11th Def Eff.
Celtics 23rd Off Eff.

Defensive effort has picked up big time. Celtics should be a Top 5 defense. I'll say it every day until it happens, Celtics and Stevens need to find players that can shoot the ball and take the offensive burden off of Tatum and Brown.

P.S. Unless you can get an Embiid, Jokic etc. you can do a lot worst than the Horford/RW3 combo. Both have been fantastic!

If you filter out garbage time, they’re up to 6th in defensive rating. I know it’s cherry picking, but garbage time stats don’t matter.

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[playa-hater]

Lineups with Schroder-Richardson-Smart trio are so far outscoring opponents by 27.5 points per 100 possessions (100th percentile). For 3 guys who can't shoot, their offensive rating of 125.3 (100th percentile) is not all that bad lol. Ime's bet on the right vets is so far working, fans twisting themselves into a pretzel notwithstanding.

Horford-Timelord combo holding strong defensively (180 possessions so far). Defensive rating of 89.5, good for 100th percentile.

But, but, but...spacing..um, shooting. I, um..

Please, using stats like this can be so misleading.. do you have the "stats" of having these 3 vs a "shooting 3 to compare against?? (though we have yet to see 3 shooters so NO!) How do you know that 3 "shooters" wouldn't have far superior point diffs?? 2 of those 3 play most of the game. Maybe their contributions are overly inflated by the play of Tatum, Rob and Horford. Perhaps a shooting 3 of Nesmith/JRich/Romeo and/orPP getting the major minutes would leave even a far better result.. than Smart Schroder etc..

Can you compare an Apple to an Orange if the Apple hasn't been tasted yet?

Dissecting small sample sizes when it becomes convenient is the holy grail of fool's gold.

[playa-hater]

Note to Hal.. You and I clearly see things opposite on this one.. Nothing personal. I will enjoy this on going debate this season coming.. you and a few misinformed others are a worthy opponent. Yet I won't lose.. I never do..

Actually will I even get the chance to win?? (Ime says no)

If Boston wins and wins BIG, my only objective) dangit I will eat crow.. but my plate has remained clean.. And I expect it to remain that way..